Mongol Empire and division

[CaptainPolyp]

Hello everyone,

I just noticed the arrows allowing to set a starting date when creating a custom game (it's never too late ^^)
I played a bit with this feature and noticed that by 1227 (the death of Ghengis Khan), the Mongol Empire was already divided in-game: Mongolia (portraying the eastern Mongol Empire I guess, later held by Kublai Khan), the Chagatai, the Golden Horde and the Ilkhanate.

Isn't it very early?
- Considering Ogedei Khan expanded the (united) Mongol Empire until his death in 1241, with which the Golden Horde will be founded (but not independant until the death of Möngke Khan in 1259 when the proper division occured).
- The Mongol Empire did not fully expanded its influence in Persia until Ogedei's conquests (and during the reign of his successors) and thus portraying a Mongol Empire including Persia in 1226 is quite ahistorical (if I'm not mistaken... As I understood it, Genghis Khan only conquered Transoxiana during his war against the Khwaresmians and pretty much destroyed the dynasty but he did not conquered the full extent of their empire, and the son of Muhammad of Khwaresm hid and later tried to reunify the lands)

Was this done for balance reasons (avoid a huge blob including a full quarter of the whole map at some point)?
Even if so, this feels wrong to even portray the Ilkhanate in 1227 while the Mongols did not have Persia yet.

Or is this feature allowing to set a start date beyond the bookmarks, completely broken in terms of historicity (maybe not in terms of gameplay tho) ?

 

[kmh42]

I don't want to sound harsh but please add this to the list of hundreds of other historical inaccuracies all over the place of the CK2 map. I know nothing about the Mongols and so I just assume you are right but this is inaccuracies will never be targeted in vanilla. There are to much of them and PDS doesn't have the will nor the money to invest in a more accurate map as far as I know.
I suggest to you to use SWMH mod or the complete HIP mod. They have an ear for such details.

 

[Kapitalisti]

One of the reasons might well be the fact that those unbookmarked dates aren't really supported by Paradox. I guess they're just based on title histories etc. which are pretty much guidelines anyway.

 

[CaptainPolyp]

To be honest, I was not even aware that it was possible to begin a game at any date beyond the bookmarks (after 1066) and I am not really surprised that there are inaccuracies at any point of the timeline; This error is just very big and visible (these empires are huge), but I would expect other errors like that. It will not impair my way to play the game tho ^^

Well, at least, going through this feature made me discover a Mamluk dynasty ruling the Delhi Sultanate during the Mongols era, which is pretty cool; this make me think that the Mamluks were definitely the best guys in town to handle neighbouring relationships with the Mongols (with exception of the Khwarazmians tho)