Mongol Conversions

[Scde2]

In all of my previous games, the Ilkhanate and the Golden Horde always converted to Sunni or Shia, but in my current game I was extremely surprised when the Golden Horde converted to Orthodox Christianity, while unsurprisingly the Ilkhanate went Sunni.

Are their conversion events random (Favored for Islamic religions) or are they influenced by the religions of the land they control?

 

[Dartheal]

I believe it's dependent on the lands they control.

 

[Ols]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure a Golden Horde that just controls the Tengri former lands of Cumania will convert to Islam. It's when they're successful against Russians that they'll turn Orthodox instead. I saw them go Catholic once too, possibly because they concentrated power in Hungary or something like that.

If the Ilkhanate goes anything other than Sunni, I'd be pleasantly surprised. I'd enjoy seeing a Zoroastrian Ilkhanate, even though it's not coded for.

 

[seancl]

I had a Golden Horde convert to Catholicism in my first major game. Between them in the east, HRE in the center, and my empire of Brittania in the west, Catholicism dominates most of Europe... Ironically, though, the ERE managed to kick the papacy out of Rome and so Orthodoxy is alive and well in Italy. Oh, and I almost forgot that the Ilkhanate was Tengri. The poor Muslims have been pretty much wiped off the map. :blink:

 

[arothuris]

In my games Golden Horde always turn Orthodox, never seen them convert to something else. Ilkhanate always turn muslim, whether sunni or shia depends on how well in their conquest of the eqyptians, and how well did the egyptians fair before they came...

 

[der Kriegsherr]

In all of my previous games, the Ilkhanate and the Golden Horde always converted to Sunni or Shia, but in my current game I was extremely surprised when the Golden Horde converted to Orthodox Christianity, while unsurprisingly the Ilkhanate went Sunni.

Are their conversion events random (Favored for Islamic religions) or are they influenced by the religions of the land they control?

I always thought it was tied into the moral authority of the given religion:
In my last Byzantium file, I spent about a century hammering what remained of the already severely weakened Sunni states (Shias were almost non-existent at this point) in my reach, all of them with rampant heresies and decadence through the roof, and both the Golden Horde and Ilkhanate became Orthodox.

Far as I can tell, they probably would have become Catholic if the AI wasn't so stupid with the Crusades/holy war CB.

 

[agustinalarcon]

In my current game, Golden Horde has just converted to Catholicism after conquering Norway, and the Ilkhanat has just turned Orthodox.
Golden Horde owns pretty much northern Russia, Finland and Norway, while the Ilkhanat owns southern Russia, Poland, and Hungary. They haven't ventured in muslim lands.

 

[unmerged(600321)]

In my Byzantine game, right after I mended the schism, the Ilkhanate went orthodox. In my current game as Francia (well more like Francia/Hispania/Britania/Africa/Italy - 1050ish counties), the Golden Horde converted to Catholic which was kind of annoying as it limits my holy war ability, but at least I still have the Ilkhanate to deal with (they went shia). Not really sure what triggers the religious conversions, but moral authority might be a reason. For instance, in my current game the Golden Horde went Catholic as I was holy warring a lot and decimating muslim religious authority. But, the Ilkhanate went Shia soon after I created an antipope to deal with some annoying vassals (excommunicate - jail - release - jail - release, till they rebel, then strip title and execute) that were getting a bit powerful.

 

[arothuris]

Not too sure about moral authority, coz in my game ilkanate turned shia even when all christian religions have higher ma than muslim. Even miaphysite has higher ma than shia & sunni. Dun know why miaphysite could have so much ma (85+) while no single realm follow that religion anymore in my game :blink:

 

[Jedrek]

In my Lithuanian game the Horde went catholic even though it controlled mostly orthodox and ibadi lands (Volga Bulgaria got squashed by the Russians very quickly, while the ibadi Persia conquered Cumania)...

 

[Jeltz]

If I remember correctly from reading the events file all religions are equally likely as default but what religions the Mongols have in their demesne increase the probability for those religions.

 

[Blond_Knight]

Since 1.07 the Il-Khanate and Golden Horde keep going Orthodoxy in my games. /shrugs

 

[Darrigan]

Another question: Is it possiblefor the hordes not to convert? And in what timeframe are they supposed to get a new religion?

 

[Comradebot]

In my awesome Nubia game, it's 1389...

And neither Horde has converted. The Golden Horde is in full collapse, but the Ilkhanate remains a very powerful force to my east, and both are quickly running out of provinces that aren't Tengri. I looks like at least the Ilkhanate and the Cumans may remain powerful pagan forces until the game's end.

 

[Isaios]

Another question: Is it possiblefor the hordes not to convert? And in what timeframe are they supposed to get a new religion?

Yeah, the conversian events do not trigger at all for Zealous characters.

Other than that, the events triggering conversion are tied to the realm province religion, if the capital is another religion, the MTTH (of 480) is affected by 0.75 (to 360).

It's the same for both Golden Horde and the Ilkhanate, and covers Orthodox, Catholic, Sunni and Shi'a.