Yeah if not for being able to trade with Russia germany would be fubar as they start out with a very unrelaistic 20 or 30 day stockpile. It should be a year at least maybe a little more.
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Also from me welcome to Herodotos, Molotovsbum and Becephalus. 
Becephalus I'm a bit sensitive about Germany and UK as these two have
to get the war going. I'm not against giving you Germany but
would prefer if you could play some testgames till monday with Germany in a
GC39 with a human France, UK and SU to see if you are up to the challenge.
Molotovsbum sorry but Herodotos was quicker for Japan.
Every nation not mentioned in the first post is still free. Of course the
choice is rather limited by now.
Please also note that there is a high chance you have to sub a major
if it's player is missing.
Both the current house rules and available nations can be seen in the
first post of this thread which I will edit to be up to date (if I'm not that
busy as last days, sorry). Comments on rules are always welcome
although they will be mainly set in stone when the first session starts
at the latest. On countries I would also offer to edit Slovacia to
Hungary (option B in the Munich conference) for anyone interested to create
a small conterweight for the SU on the balcans.
Yes I still want to change to 1900 - 22:30 CET so would like everyone
who can't play at these times to post it here. What do you mean exactly?
Can't you play at the old timeframe or at 1900 - 22:30 CET I want to
change to?
As to speed we will begin very slow anyway and only speed up if
stability and the warring nations can take it. Some time to sort things
out at the beginning is also no problem.
I have to agree regarding the low stockpiles of Japan and Germany
(has this game every been playtested? )
Made a new traderule for Japan and the USA.
I'm not that keen on imposing artifical limitations on the USSR,
instead I would rather propose to just raise the stockpiles of
Germany and Japan to their historical level.
According to the only source I have at the moment (Die Ursachen des
Zweiten Weltkrieges, Walter Post) these (with Germany's own production,
but without imports) would have lasted for metalls 12 month, oil 3,5 months
and scarce materials 5,5 months. Translated into HOI2 terms this would
mean 7500 for both metalls and scarce materials. As oil is more complicated
my proposal is the oil used in one month if the whole army is on the move
which comes to 4000. Have not yet done the maths for Japan.
Please keep in mind that just occupying Germany or Japan doesn't
win the war for the USSR as they are not allied with the UK in 1939.
Ahistorical Alliances aren't forbidden especially when ahistorical things
happen.
Becephalus I'm a bit sensitive about Germany and UK as these two have
to get the war going. I'm not against giving you Germany but
would prefer if you could play some testgames till monday with Germany in a
GC39 with a human France, UK and SU to see if you are up to the challenge.
Molotovsbum sorry but Herodotos was quicker for Japan.
Every nation not mentioned in the first post is still free. Of course the
choice is rather limited by now.
Please also note that there is a high chance you have to sub a major
if it's player is missing.
Both the current house rules and available nations can be seen in the
first post of this thread which I will edit to be up to date (if I'm not that
busy as last days, sorry). Comments on rules are always welcome
although they will be mainly set in stone when the first session starts
at the latest. On countries I would also offer to edit Slovacia to
Hungary (option B in the Munich conference) for anyone interested to create
a small conterweight for the SU on the balcans.
Krosh said:
Yes I still want to change to 1900 - 22:30 CET so would like everyone
who can't play at these times to post it here. What do you mean exactly?
Can't you play at the old timeframe or at 1900 - 22:30 CET I want to
change to?
As to speed we will begin very slow anyway and only speed up if
stability and the warring nations can take it. Some time to sort things
out at the beginning is also no problem.
I have to agree regarding the low stockpiles of Japan and Germany
(has this game every been playtested?
)Made a new traderule for Japan and the USA.
I'm not that keen on imposing artifical limitations on the USSR,
instead I would rather propose to just raise the stockpiles of
Germany and Japan to their historical level.
According to the only source I have at the moment (Die Ursachen des
Zweiten Weltkrieges, Walter Post) these (with Germany's own production,
but without imports) would have lasted for metalls 12 month, oil 3,5 months
and scarce materials 5,5 months. Translated into HOI2 terms this would
mean 7500 for both metalls and scarce materials. As oil is more complicated
my proposal is the oil used in one month if the whole army is on the move
which comes to 4000. Have not yet done the maths for Japan.
Please keep in mind that just occupying Germany or Japan doesn't
win the war for the USSR as they are not allied with the UK in 1939.
Ahistorical Alliances aren't forbidden especially when ahistorical things
happen.
Well, adjusting the stockpiles would be great. I have played a test game and gotten my build/gorupings/leader assignments figured out and written down so that should speed things up. I am fairly confident the whole Poland/Denmark/France exchange will go according to plan, although I doubt I could pull off a sealion against a human. Either way it should be fun and it would be nice to talk to the Italian and Japanese players before the game to get thigns suqared away.
As for the chnaging of the slovakian existence i do not reall care that much, although a stronger hungary would probably help as they will be in Axis by October.
As for the chnaging of the slovakian existence i do not reall care that much, although a stronger hungary would probably help as they will be in Axis by October.
Changing the stockpiles to historical levels is an excellent solution in my opinion. Apart from that I see that the USA has to accept reasonable trade proposals, even better. Just for clarification, what percentage is considered reasonable? And when I would propose a trade, meeting the required percentage, can I ask for any amount? Let me whisper it once more, because I don't want to talk Krosh into it, but can the SU go to war with Japan at all times? Maybe I'm asking a lot of questions, but, especially since I'm new to MP, I prefer to have clear rules before we start.
To let everybody know a little who they'll be playing with, let me introduce myself and my connection. I'm from Holland and my connection is 768/320. My computer has 2.8 GHz/512 Mb Ram. Both location and specs should (hopefully) allow me to be a technically stable player. I've played through 5 SP campaigns. BTW, Konrad, are you really that inexperienced with HOI2? You seem to know what you want and what you're doing.
To let everybody know a little who they'll be playing with, let me introduce myself and my connection. I'm from Holland and my connection is 768/320. My computer has 2.8 GHz/512 Mb Ram. Both location and specs should (hopefully) allow me to be a technically stable player. I've played through 5 SP campaigns. BTW, Konrad, are you really that inexperienced with HOI2? You seem to know what you want and what you're doing.
Well as you only can ask for the amount the USA has a surplus of (right?)Herodotos said:
limiting the quantity shouldn't be necessary. Playing in SP with Japan the
trade-interface tells me it is 100% sure USA will accept my proposal
when I'm around 1 supply for 8 energy, 4 metal, 3 oil or 2 rares.
How is this as a minimum? Don't know how much each resource is worth
in MP really.
Yes, he can sorry.Herodotos said:
So you are basically forced to decide between shifting troops
to the chinese front and discourading the SU from an adventure in Asia.
(Historical in 1939 Japan had 700 000 men facing a possible SU invasion).
Can't see what Krosh would gain from invading Manchuria though.
no propHerodotos said:
this thread is far too quiet IMHO
Herodotos said:
Thanks but this is more appearance than reality.
My "new" ICQ number is 219 690 997
My two old accounts are buggier than a texas lampost in June.
My two old accounts are buggier than a texas lampost in June.
I dont think there is a standard value. It seems to me it depends on the countries need and availability of resources. If you want to get Oil from an oil rich nation, it will be cheaper then from an oil starved one, and you seem to get more in return if you supply a resource to a country which has a lack there of.
I dont mind the trade rules, as long as the US has a say in it, so it wont have to trade away Rares to get Energy or something. When I play SU or US, I accept most reasonable offers paid in supplies or money.
I think we have to be carefull in allowing SU to much freedom against Japan. In the early years (before the fall of poland, normally 39), SU has over a 100 Divisions to commit to quickly crush and occupy Manchuria/Korea. After that, only needs a few Infantry divisions to guard the beaches, and can move them west in time to face Gerry. While it might not gain much from such an attack, it still means game over for the Japs basically.
hi i would like to sign up for monday series.. my preference would be germany if u dont have one yet otherwise ill play eny nation... but not uk
my preference would be germany if u dont have one yet otherwise ill play eny nation... but not ukKyril said:
Well as Japan is a bit short on cash and energy doesn't mean anything
to the US I thought supplies would be the only trade available anyway.
But of course it would be far better if the players could get to an
agreement themselves (therefore the term "reasonable"). These values are
just there if there is no understanding between the US and Japan players.
Of course a better idea would be very appreciated.
Kyril said:
Well here I don't agree that the loss of Manchuria and Korea in 1939
means game over for Japan. Could mean game over for the SU though
if he is unlucky. In real life the SU would have been able to take
Manchuria with the forces available in Siberia and Mongolia.
So why didn't they do it? The greatest fear of Stalin was always
that the other countries would form a great anti-soviet alliance.
So how would taking Manchuria affect the rest of the world.
Of course the following is all speculation.
In the historical late 1941 Japan was very alarmed of a possible
4-front-war and offered very generous peace terms to china to
avoid the us-embargo. But Chiang Kai-shek backed by the us demanded the
that Japan has to give back the parts of Northern China they had
occupied before the war. Every Japanese gouvernment agreeing would
probably have been couped and the rest is history.
In our what if Japan this is no longer a problem. The troops in China
are cut off by the SU and are needed to protect the home islands.
So China and Japan make peace. First result: a somewhat united China
eyeing soviet Mongolia and Manchuria and no Japanese-American-War.
And Japan getting resources is still formidable with their homeislands.
And this Japan is bend on retaking Korea.
Excellent!
Now Japan needs protection from the SU. So why not their old Ally UK.
Would also solve all concerns about resources and allow Japan to solely
concentrate on their army. In 1939 relations between Japan and UK were
not bad.
In Europe Germany is just clearing up the remnants of the French army but
has just lost their anti-soviet ally in Asia and is very alarmed of the SUs
capabilities. So Germany prepares operation Barbarossa (which the invasion
of Manchuria has done nothing to prevent
)Italy not wanting to get between the UK and an approaching red horde
desperatly urges the UK and Germany to end their war and to destroy
the Soviet menace in the east.
Now Churchill was determined to destroy Germany come there what may.
But Col Warden isn't Churchill and our 1940 isn't the historical 1940.
How will the UK react? Maybe Col Warden has already garantied to Krosh
that he won't interfer? Maybe Stalin's greatest nightmare is comming true?
Maybe Krosh has prepared for all this?
Sorry for the lenght.
Just wanted to explain what I wanted to achieve by removing the restrictions
on diplomacy.
No problem, I dont mind a bit of diplomacy . Would be fun to have a less restricted game then my usual games. Perhaps China would gladly join the Commies in order to unite China under 1 rule! Or perhaps strike a deal with the Japs to strike at Communism and take over India!
. Would be fun to have a less restricted game then my usual games. Perhaps China would gladly join the Commies in order to unite China under 1 rule! Or perhaps strike a deal with the Japs to strike at Communism and take over India!Well Tiro we would be glad to have you join this game but Germany and many other countries are already taken.
If you are still interested you can choose everything except:
USSR, UK, Germany, Japan, Italy, USA, France and Nat. China
which are already taken.
Or was it serious you play every country?
If you are still interested you can choose everything except:
USSR, UK, Germany, Japan, Italy, USA, France and Nat. China
which are already taken.
Or was it serious you play every country?
If it's not too late to sign up, I'd be willing to play too. Is Canada still available? I can go for that.
Welcome Foxhound!
No not to late to sign up. Canada is also free to be taken.
Please all notice that the timespan has changed to 19:00 - 22:30 CET.
I have not received notice from all that they are able to play at these times,
but hope that silence is approval.
As we are now approaching the maximum which is possible
to host in HOI2MP no new player-signups are possible at the moment.
Doesn't mean Molotovsbum and Tiro from which i'd need a country-preference
if still interested.
No not to late to sign up. Canada is also free to be taken.
Please all notice that the timespan has changed to 19:00 - 22:30 CET.
I have not received notice from all that they are able to play at these times,
but hope that silence is approval.
As we are now approaching the maximum which is possible
to host in HOI2MP no new player-signups are possible at the moment.
Doesn't mean Molotovsbum and Tiro from which i'd need a country-preference
if still interested.
For the people who are left some good countries might be Spain, Sweden, Finland, Romania, Hungary, or Turkey. Also Brazil, Mexico, Com Chi, or Argentina might be fun. A human Romania would really help the Axis a lot.
If you take military control ofver Hungary/Bulgaria/Coratia and Slovakia Romania has quite the little army.
If you take military control ofver Hungary/Bulgaria/Coratia and Slovakia Romania has quite the little army.
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Im intersted in joining if a someone will not show up monday - is it possible, i mean as substitution player in such case?
I played few sp games, i have good enough computer/connection
I'm intersted in playing a minor country - maybe axis minor as Hungary/Romania, or maybe a Commonwealth country... - im not experienced at mp - so i wont mess the play balance
I played few sp games, i have good enough computer/connection
I'm intersted in playing a minor country - maybe axis minor as Hungary/Romania, or maybe a Commonwealth country... - im not experienced at mp - so i wont mess the play balance
Well, definitely show up serus as usually a few dont show. I would love to have a human romania.
As the undecided players have decided to not take part in this game
I would offer you a perm spot Serus.
As we already have a Canada another Commonwealth country wouldn't add
that much to the game as an axis minor (of which I still offer a unified
Hungary-Slovacia).
But your free to pick whatever is left like everyone else.
I would offer you a perm spot Serus.
As we already have a Canada another Commonwealth country wouldn't add
that much to the game as an axis minor (of which I still offer a unified
Hungary-Slovacia).
But your free to pick whatever is left like everyone else.
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Ok, that's no problem. I just wanted to know, because it might influence my strategy.
This seems fair to me. As Konrad mentioned, I'll only have supplies and money to trade away anyway. Have the calculations about the Japanese stockpiles been made? And just to confirm, the new time is no problem for me.
Well yes, the game has been tested - I was one of the testersKonrad der Rote said:I have to agree regarding the low stockpiles of Japan and Germany (has this game every been playtested?
I'm not that keen on imposing artifical limitations on the USSR,
instead I would rather propose to just raise the stockpiles of
Germany and Japan to their historical level.
. I am playing Germany in two other MP campaigns (Sat and Fri) and am having no difficulty in getting the resources that I want - I am trading for them. Given the house rules about trade in this game, the needed trades should be even easier.Andrew
Well yes, the game has been tested - I was one of the testersKonrad der Rote said:I have to agree regarding the low stockpiles of Japan and Germany (has this game every been playtested?
I'm not that keen on imposing artifical limitations on the USSR,
instead I would rather propose to just raise the stockpiles of
Germany and Japan to their historical level.
. I am playing Germany in two other MP campaigns (Sat and Fri) and am having no difficulty in getting the resources that I want - I am trading for them. Given the house rules about trade in this game, the needed trades should be even easier.Andrew