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Some caveats are sort of obvious (military tech to keep on level with the others, dump DIP in mines...) but short of that ? I usually pick as NI set one ''Exploration'' to accelerate contacts with Europeans,
 

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Get the second idea group if it’s feasible. If you still have a ways to go on tech, just develop a little bit at a time, but keep your MP banked so you can blitz tech and ideas as soon as you reform
 

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exploration, conquer mexico, get all gold mines including mexican ones to 10 dev, and if you really got points spare, go for economic idea group.

you can get above 100 gold income and no serious inflation.
 

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In one of my Aztec run (long time ago, before MoH) I had the time to get admin tech 10 (so 3rd idea group) but I decided to shove my points in useless places : Dev random stuff, up mercantilism. If you can catch additional idea groups, DO IT. Explo is a must, expansion is pure crap (unless you plan to dump tariffs) but the +1 colonist is a strong dilemma.

You should also be careful : once the Conquistadores start crossing your land, you might get "rapid collapse of the society" modifier which is a +33% of Monarch cost points, so be sure to dump your monarch points.

Also, once your reform/instit & tech up, all points above 999-1000 will be lost UNLESS you reach a value under 999-1000 : for instance, if I have 2400 admin points and I tech up, I will have 999, no matter the cost of the tech.
But if you have 1400 admin points and you tech up and reach a value under 999, you will waste the minimum amount, if not none. So don't wait too long !
 

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In one of my Aztec run (long time ago, before MoH) I had the time to get admin tech 10 (so 3rd idea group) but I decided to shove my points in useless places : Dev random stuff, up mercantilism. If you can catch additional idea groups, DO IT. Explo is a must, expansion is pure crap (unless you plan to dump tariffs) but the +1 colonist is a strong dilemma.

You should also be careful : once the Conquistadores start crossing your land, you might get "rapid collapse of the society" modifier which is a +33% of Monarch cost points, so be sure to dump your monarch points.

Also, once your reform/instit & tech up, all points above 999-1000 will be lost UNLESS you reach a value under 999-1000 : for instance, if I have 2400 admin points and I tech up, I will have 999, no matter the cost of the tech.
But if you have 1400 admin points and you tech up and reach a value under 999, you will waste the minimum amount, if not none. So don't wait too long !

IIRC That's only true for embracing institutions, primitives that reform get to keep all their monarch points w/o losing them. It's quite possible to reach tech parity with whomever you reformed off of if you keep your monarch points at cap.
 

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IIRC That's only true for embracing institutions, primitives that reform get to keep all their monarch points w/o losing them. It's quite possible to reach tech parity with whomever you reformed off of if you keep your monarch points at cap.
When you spend monarch points on anything, your point level drops to 999 if it would be over 999 after the expenditure.
So if you have 2000 points and spend 500 on a tech up, you end up with 999
if you have 1400 and spend 500 on a tech up, you end up with 900.


It works this way because your point cap becomes 999 when you embrace all the institutions
 

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Btw, how do you reform religion? I played one game as an Inca nation and could not find anything related to that anywhere. There were nothing clickable in religion screen, there were only the sun and tolerances etc.
 

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So small bump before I start my inca game, gold mines up to what gold production (presumably to keep inflation under control as Inca)

Develop them all one at a time, and don't stop at any number, you don't have a better use for that DIP and there's no feasibly achievable development at which developing a gold mine one more time will decrease your long term revenue. I might be wrong on this and it's a gut feeling, but I think anyone with statistics would agree with me.

Inflation is cheap to get rid of, especially if you take economic ideas. Even if you don't get rid of it, it's not very problematic. I wouldn't worry about it.
 

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Btw, how do you reform religion? I played one game as an Inca nation and could not find anything related to that anywhere. There were nothing clickable in religion screen, there were only the sun and tolerances etc.

If you own El Dorado, there's a small button next to the minimap with a symbol of the Inti sun. If you don't, you can't reform and presumably work like any other country?
 

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Aztec, Incas and Mayas have a fairly intricate reform mechanism, in two phases

Phase one is achieving unity, phase two is contact with Europe.

For the Incas, the key gimmick is Authority. You need to prop it 5 times to 100, then reform, which will trigger a revolt and - STA. Authority is gained slowly by DEV percentage, much more quickly by lowering autonomy (either by actually lowering autonomy, IE click on the case ''lower autonomy'' or by events that lower autonomy).

(Reformed Incas are, to say the least, well worth the trouble)
 

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Aztec, Incas and Mayas have a fairly intricate reform mechanism, in two phases

Phase one is achieving unity, phase two is contact with Europe.

For the Incas, the key gimmick is Authority. You need to prop it 5 times to 100, then reform, which will trigger a revolt and - STA. Authority is gained slowly by DEV percentage, much more quickly by lowering autonomy (either by actually lowering autonomy, IE click on the case ''lower autonomy'' or by events that lower autonomy).

(Reformed Incas are, to say the least, well worth the trouble)

Oh that was another issue, authority was talked about and some events affected it for example, but I could not find where to see how much I have.
 

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Develop them all one at a time, and don't stop at any number, you don't have a better use for that DIP and there's no feasibly achievable development at which developing a gold mine one more time will decrease your long term revenue. I might be wrong on this and it's a gut feeling, but I think anyone with statistics would agree with me.

Inflation is cheap to get rid of, especially if you take economic ideas. Even if you don't get rid of it, it's not very problematic. I wouldn't worry about it.

It climb really fast as Inca, however.
 

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When you spend monarch points on anything, your point level drops to 999 if it would be over 999 after the expenditure.
So if you have 2000 points and spend 500 on a tech up, you end up with 999
if you have 1400 and spend 500 on a tech up, you end up with 900.


It works this way because your point cap becomes 999 when you embrace all the institutions

Adding to this: the stockpile resets to 999 when the next month ticks regardless, so make sure to spend them before the next month!
 

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FYI, and if memory serves me well, there's a bug whereby you get to keep all of your points for a day (or was it a month) if you reform on the very last day of a month (so that the event fires on month tick). I'd gather it hasn't been addressed yet.
 

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exploration, conquer mexico, get all gold mines including mexican ones to 10 dev, and if you really got points spare, go for economic idea group.

you can get above 100 gold income and no serious inflation.

This is the way to go

Don't put points into Mercantilism when you can develop your gold mines