Mods and the German Version [NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LAW!]

[Ctanr]

hey i just want to know if the region lock will extend to mods which show forbidden stuff

for example AFAIK the World in Flames mod for DH has new portraits for all politicians including Hitler

would such a mod also be regionlocked?

 

[Hiroo Onoda]

It depends. If you download it from a third party website and install it yourself, there won't be any problem. Just like if you mod it yourself. However, I don't think you'll find such a mod on these forums, at least one which includes Swastika. I'm not sure about the Steam Workshop.

As for region lock, this only applies for when you try to buy or activate a game on Steam.

 

[LordOfWar16]

They cant geo lock mods. All they could do is ban the mod from the workshop or the paradox forums entirely. ModDB for example wouldnt be affected by that.

 

[Phibs]

Well this is gonna be highly convenient, searching the interwebz for what is essentially a dlc now. Sometimes I hate Germany. Just a bit.

 

[Ctanr]

Well this is gonna be highly convenient, searching the interwebz for what is essentially a dlc now. Sometimes I hate Germany. Just a bit.

 

[Phibs]

That's just uncomfortable noise. I'd prefer my old school's deathmetal band over this tbh, and they sucked big time.

 

[Skylax]

I also wonder what the fuzz is all about. I am pretty sure that the pics of the German staff can be modded in. Not sure about the events and the event pictures (and the wording), but who cares. PDS won't confirm that it is possible to mod them in, but I don't see any reason why that should be a problem. Germans shouldn't wait for more than a day to get the pics in.

 

[seattle]

They cant region lock mods. All they could do is ban the mod from the workshop or the paradox forums entirely. ModDB for example wouldnt be affected by that.

Steam would have to utilize a face recognition software to detect forbidden portraits in mods.
I'm pretty sure that plenty of mods will be deleted from the workshop and they will be watching the workshop carefully. And rightfully so. PDS has to make sure that the workshop stays clean in order not to get into trouble with Valve.

Of course it would be most convinient to manage all mods via the workshop, but we all know that's not going to happen. A flag here, a portrait there, a total overhaul mod including either and so forth. There will be plenty of manual mod management for everyone, both German and non-German.

 

[Nicolas I]

...I don't think you'll find such a mod on these forums, at least one which includes Swastika. I'm not sure about the Steam Workshop...

I'm sure there won't be as the forum rules are pretty clear about that and conspiring that may may already be borderline :

***HOI IV Forum Rules - Read Before You Post***

NOTE: There will not be any swastikas in the game. It IS illegal to show them in Germany and various other countries. Same goes for other Nazi symbols (e.g. related to the SS) or Nazi propaganda material, including songs etc. Any links posted to a mod which includes a Swastika or other illegal Nazi symbols will be deleted. Any threads that complain about this issue will be closed.

 

[Hiroo Onoda]

I'm sure there won't be as the forum rules are pretty clear about that and conspiring that may may already be borderline :

***HOI IV Forum Rules - Read Before You Post***

NOTE: There will not be any swastikas in the game. It IS illegal to show them in Germany and various other countries. Same goes for other Nazi symbols (e.g. related to the SS) or Nazi propaganda material, including songs etc. Any links posted to a mod which includes a Swastika or other illegal Nazi symbols will be deleted. Any threads that complain about this issue will be closed.

There you go. Heck, posting on this forum I should of course know this out my head

 

[JoyAndMisery]

Hartz 4 of Iron! Dis gon be gud!

 

[LeibSSolmai]

I think Paradox is intelligent enough to do the best thing they can do with the workshop: absolutely nothing.

If there is no complainer, there is no judge, you remember this one official dlc from this sniper game there you shoot Hitler? Hitler was in it and it is still sold in Germany, because no one really complained about one little Hitler in a game. The same with the Films Inglorious Bastards and the Indiana Jones Film there he visited Berlin to get that book back. Nazis, Hitler, Swastika in them and you can buy them in every DVD store.

While reading about this I found one really interesting article from the guys who actually censor this (Bundesprüfstelle für Jugendgefährdende Medien), unfortunately only in German. Paradox, if you have someone who is able to read this please give it to him!

To make 15 pages short: there's no Problem with Nazis in games if you don´t exaggerate (and that is not nearly the case with HOI 4) and don´t advertise ultra right wing partys.

heres the link: http://www.bundespruefstelle.de/Red...s/BPJMAktuell/bpjm-aktuell-201003-hakenkreuze

 

[merlin2199]

hey i just want to know if the region lock will extend to mods which show forbidden stuff

for example AFAIK the World in Flames mod for DH has new portraits for all politicians including Hitler

would such a mod also be regionlocked?

I'd recommend you download Gimp and do it yourself.

 

[merlin2199]

I'm sure there won't be as the forum rules are pretty clear about that and conspiring that may may already be borderline :

***HOI IV Forum Rules - Read Before You Post***

NOTE: There will not be any swastikas in the game. It IS illegal to show them in Germany and various other countries. Same goes for other Nazi symbols (e.g. related to the SS) or Nazi propaganda material, including songs etc. Any links posted to a mod which includes a Swastika or other illegal Nazi symbols will be deleted. Any threads that complain about this issue will be closed.

Funny, considering the in your face hammer and sickle of the trailer.

 

[Inner Circle]

Showing Hitler/Swastikas/etc... in Full HD on German TV Channels/books/Magazines/Newspapers - nobody bats an eye

showing the same stuff in Video Games in Germany - everybody looses their mind

 

[Amaror]

If there is no complainer, there is no judge, you remember this one official dlc from this sniper game there you shoot Hitler? Hitler was in it and it is still sold in Germany, because no one really complained about one little Hitler in a game. The same with the Films Inglorious Bastards and the Indiana Jones Film there he visited Berlin to get that book back. Nazis, Hitler, Swastika in them and you can buy them in every DVD store.

Movies like Inglorious Bastards are no problem anyway. They could plaster Swastikas all over themselves without any problems because movies are counted as art and art, along with education and science, is excempt from any kind of censorship including the laws against swastikas et. cetera. The problem with games is that they count as toys and not as art and are thus not excempt from the laws.

 

[merlin2199]

Movies like Inglorious Bastards are no problem anyway. They could plaster Swastikas all over themselves without any problems because movies are counted as art and art, along with education and science, is excempt from any kind of censorship including the laws against swastikas et. cetera. The problem with games is that they count as toys and not as art and are thus not excempt from the laws.

"Useless laws weaken the necessary laws."
Charles de Montesquieu
De l'Edprit des Lois - Book XXIX, Chapter 16

 

[seattle]

The interesting question remains unanswered yet: Will the workshop be any different for German and international version? To be more precise: Will there be mods that only work with certain versions of the game?
And will mods be deleted from the workshop that are compliant with the international version?

PS: I want to thank the admins for their hard work and frustration tolerance these days. They've been incredibly patient and helpful despite the circumstances and hate from many customers.

 

[Nicolas I]

There you go. Heck, posting on this forum I should of course know this out my head

There a general Paradox forum rules + specific rules for each forum. It's in the sticky section in the top of the page with the warning Read Before You Post.

 

[Nicolas I]

"Useless laws weaken the necessary laws."
Charles de Montesquieu
De l'Edprit des Lois - Book XXIX, Chapter 16

Considering the proliferation of people posting like mad lately, as if their life depended on some pictures of a mustached failed artist and considering the game "broken" if it's not a Third Reich simulator (instead of a grand stategy wargame), I know better understand why these laws exists in Germany. Worrisome and quite unsettling.