Modern Day Scenario

[Mr. Capiatlist]

I have finished the 1952 map, it will be release on a need-to-know basis. I will release it to Mezzo and Sute]{h; plus three other people so we can get some opions in on it (though I am relucant to change it). If you are interested please contact me via e-mail; subject should be: "I wanna map!"

-Mr.C
(Time to start the 1962 map! "War, ugh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'.... sayit 'gain! War ugh...." )

Edit: Dude, we have more posts than the bAAR!

 

[unmerged(22430)]

Great cant wait to see it when i recieve it form you

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

Should I start working on a working 1952 scenario, or do you want me to start maping out 1960?

 

[unmerged(22430)]

start on a playable map for 1952 and also what about your tag list

 

[Sute]{h]

Map Issues

Cyprus should be part of the UK as you suggested. However we need two tags here. One for Cyprus and one for North Cyprus. This is needed to simulate the conflict in the area.

The lowest province intended for Israel should go to Saudi-Arabia IMHO. Israel might have a port (Elat) next to the Red Sea, but most of the province is certainly in Saudi-Arabia.

I'm not much of an expert on the Caribbean and Pacific areas I'm afraid.

EDIT: Ohh... and a playable 1952 is certainly more important than a 1962 map.

 

[unmerged(24388)]

However we need two tags here. One for Cyprus and one for North Cyprus.

why not just have cyprus as an iderpendant nation once it left UK? then have events pop up saying that there has been conflict etc


regarding the UN and peace keeping forces how will they be simulated?

 

[Sute]{h]

why not just have cyprus as an iderpendant nation once it left UK? then have events pop up saying that there has been conflict etc


regarding the UN and peace keeping forces how will they be simulated?

Cyprus becomes independent yes... but is invaded by Turkey, when they try to unify with Greece. Turkey gets the northern part of Cyprus, which later becomes independent (a satellite state of Turkey).

As to UN and peace keeping... we havn't found any good ways to deal with the issue yet. If we can find a dynamic solution, that won't limit the player or cripple the AI, we will implement it. However until when we'll ignore the UN.

EDIT: Btw. when did we move the starting year to 1952 and why?

 

[unmerged(24388)]

i was thinking that maybe the UN could be an inderpendant nation with its own tag??

if yes then i can help with OOB for every UN operation past and present personally i think its a good idea

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

EDIT: Btw. when did we move the starting year to 1952 and why?

A while ago, to start with the Korean war, but not have it last long enough to have melt-down between the West and Commie Blok.

i was thinking that maybe the UN could be an inderpendant nation with its own tag??

if yes then i can help with OOB for every UN operation past and present personally i think its a good idea

No

i was thinking that maybe the EU could be an inderpendant nation with its own tag??

if yes then i can help with OOB for every UN operation past and present personally i think its a good idea

No <------- Pre-emptive; boo-yah!

 

[Sute]{h]

I'm going to do EU at a point... EU will be represented by events only. No nation. There will be issue voting however.

EDIT: And the reason we won't have UN and EU countries is that we don't want people declaring war on UN or EU. Just to mention on problem. However I know the AGCEEP people has a "ghost" country. Meaning a country that is AI-controlled but doesn't own any provinces. This could be a UN solution, but it would introduce a number of new problems... IMHO it is a thing to be considered in the future. Currently we just want a working 1952-scenario, with correct POPs and techs... which in itself is quite a huge amount of work.

Btw. I'm ok with starting in 1952. Sorry I missed that. o

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

Scripters and Programers

We need a team of people working on this, three guys will not get this all done. We need to attract more attention, maybe if we can get a beta v0.1 going (map changed but no pop changes) the kind Admins and Moderators will grant us a sub forum....
Until then, worry about the map.....

About that..... what islands go to who?

 

[unmerged(22430)]

Thats what I had in mind just a map no pops or anthing yet so we can get a sub-forum

I could work on the 1952 b.v01 if I had your tag list Mr. C

And does anyone know where to get a numbered map it would be way more useful than loading the game writing down provinces and exiting the game

 

[LordScod]

I have a few weeks off from school perhaps I can help with the MDS.

I can do POPs and some graphics.

 

[Sute]{h]

The problem with POPs is we need to decide EXACTLY what POP-types we have. And how we determin the POP-types... I've been working on the Danish POPs, but finding statistical data reaching back to 1952 is difficult on the internet. Sure you can find the population numbers, but to determin POP-types we need education and workforce data as well. I know I might be getting overboard on this, but surely accuracy is desirable.

Because of lack of statistical data we might have to create "placeholder" POPs for most countries until such time as accurate data presents itself. Still we need to determin POP-types.

After a lot of consideration the only change I recommend is:

Aristocrat -> Bureaucrat

A rework of craftmen and clerks to something more modern would be desirable, but depends on which factories we introduce. Mainly if we which to include service industry as factories. The reason this is important is that in 1. world countries a majority of people is working in the service industries.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

The problem with POPs is we need to decide EXACTLY what POP-types we have. And how we determin the POP-types... I've been working on the Danish POPs, but finding statistical data reaching back to 1952 is difficult on the internet. Sure you can find the population numbers, but to determin POP-types we need education and workforce data as well. I know I might be getting overboard on this, but surely accuracy is desirable.

Because of lack of statistical data we might have to create "placeholder" POPs for most countries until such time as accurate data presents itself. Still we need to determin POP-types.

After a lot of consideration the only change I recommend is:

Aristocrat -> Bureaucrat

A rework of craftmen and clerks to something more modern would be desirable, but depends on which factories we introduce. Mainly if we which to include service industry as factories. The reason this is important is that in 1. world countries a majority of people is working in the service industries.

With pops, for the beta we are using the pops as they are....

I have a few weeks off from school perhaps I can help with the MDS.

I can do POPs and some graphics.

Want a map by any chance?

I could work on the 1952 b.v01 if I had your tag list Mr. C

I get the message already, jeez-louisez!

 

[unmerged(14477)]

a minor question: how are you planning on simulating a nuclear war case? I mean, it's alternative history, so there might be a nuclear showdown. The game mechanics do not allow for such a lovely fruit, so I assume you'll deal with it (if) by events.

Any thoughts about what kind of events you are planning on using?

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

a minor question: how are you planning on simulating a nuclear war case? I mean, it's alternative history, so there might be a nuclear showdown. The game mechanics do not allow for such a lovely fruit, so I assume you'll deal with it (if) by events.

Any thoughts about what kind of events you are planning on using?

Most events will center on the whole de-colonialization and west v. east tention thing; though minor national events will be added.

Nukes will be done by events.

 

[Sute]{h]

Nukes will be done by events.

If at all... any nuke sequence will have to be masterfully coded to get the effect and versatility needed. I for one will rather avoid nukes than introducing a poor series of events.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

If at all... any nuke sequence will have to be masterfully coded to get the effect and versatility needed. I for one will rather avoid nukes than introducing a poor series of events.

But I wannnaa nu-u-u-u-u-uke people!

 

[unmerged(22430)]

I Started the 1952 map but I only have Europe done it took me two days but its done and it workes Ill show a screenshot soon

Also What color should E. and W. Germany be?
Yugoslavia I gave Netherlands color like in HOI and HOI2

Countries Done:
East Germany
West Germany
United Kingdom
Ireland
Finland
Norway
Sweden
Czechoslovakia
Austria
Italy
Poland
France
Spain
Portugal
Hungary
Yugoslavia
Albania
Greece
Belgium
Luxemburg
Netherlands
Denmark
Switzerland
Romania