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I Have an Idea for a story line for the scenario. This is what happens in the build up to the war

The date is is August the 26th 2005 and china is on the brink of Civil war. Protests against the comunist government have turned into riots and riots must be put down with china's milatary forces. Relegios groups which have been formally prosecuted by china have come out of the shadows with firey avengence, bombing, and attacking chinese militants. Dissent Grows all over the country until Civilians start bieng fired upon. Riots now turn in to all out street wars which sees the cities of China drowned in blood. Two months later, China's 4 million soldier army falls apart, with some turning to capitalism and others to comunism. In just two months china is at war with itself. Three main Factions have emerged, the Nationalists, Comunists and Hong kong. While war rages in China, an emergency meeting of the security counsel is called and all western countries agree to send peacekeeping forces to China. President Bush warns Comunist china not to attack the Free Capitalists, peace is signed and there is uneasy tension in the air. Comunist china has most of northen china, The Free capitalists have most of southern china and hong kong has a few provences in southeast china. A year later Two things occur that will forever change history. Kim (i dont know his last name) of North Korea dies mysteriosly in bed and one of his Generals, Tsing yang yang (or somthing like that) comes to power. at the same time, The people of West papua declare independence from Indonesia, Megawati Sukanaputo accepts their demands. Outrage sparks among extremests and a revoulution sets in. a comunist party springs up and stages a bloody coup in which many Pro Democracy Politicians are ruthlessly murdered. Megawati and is toppled from power and flees to Australia. The American Government is Outraged but does not go to war. It instead places sanctions and Trade embargos against Indonesia. Indonesia Becomes a land of Poverty, But no more revoulutions take place for the whole populatuion are united behind comunism in their hate for the west. Another year passes, it is now the 1st of August 2007. Tsing Yang Yang has aquired the aid of the European union as he has proven to be an advocater of peace. North Koreas Economy booms as it trades with European nations. Its military becomes equal to that of Britain and France, its people are living in luxury and its products match those of the japanese. America is still suspicios, but not hostile. Indonesia Benefits from this as it begins to sign varios treatys with North Korea. Its military is updated, its economy recovers and works its way out of poverty. Indonesia then joins the Comunist Alliance. Tsing yang yang has secret ambitions though (as was bound to happen). Two years then pass and Tsing thinks he is ready to show his true colours. he sends Comunist china military technology and "volenteers" to their army. He then asks china to take a fall for him, but a fall that will benefit it in the long run. China declares war on Hong Kong and the free capitalists. Its forces sweep through mercilessly. The united nations is called again and the European union and the Coalition of the willling declare war on Comunist china. The war, which lasts a year is disastorous for the western nations. Chinese forces use geruilla techniques to beat the americans. and the Free capitalist and hong kong are ready to fall. Indonesia use the war as a diversion to reclaim its lost territories, East Timor, West New guinnea, ect. Then on the 2nd of June 2009, Tsing yang makes the claim that south korea had crossed the 38th parrelel and invaded North Korea (which is of course false) and he then invades south Korea while Indonesia attackes singapore, Brunei and Malaysia. The west doesnet know what to do. On that very same day, President bush Comitts an atrocity thatnot even Tsing yang had predicted. He orders a hydrogen bomb dropped On beijing. Beijing is utterly Destroyed. a day later, bush is assasinated by his own people. Will the European Union, now utterly horrified with the united states withdraw from china, Or will it continue the fight and Declare war on North Korea and Indonesia. And what of the Coalition of the willing? Will they declare war on North Korea And Indonesia and truly start the third world war? and will Australia join the war? knowing that indonesia could invadet them? The storm clouds have gathered, and they are now about to burst
 

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As far as I've been able to understand as a volunteer helper for this mod, the development team strives for realism. A civil war in China is about as likely as peace and stability during a trench war.

Thank you, come again.
 

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Re: Re: Modern Day Scenario

Originally posted by Pidor8
Why I everywhere see the country a China? They have no nor high technology nor modern army but on level of nucleus power they shall lag behind in several groups of ten from USA and Russia once.

Are you some sort of an idiot?

Chinese tanks are some of the better on earth. Look at these beauties!

Type-80
Type-85
Type-90

These beasts on the battlefield are equals to the American Abrams tanks. While a large portion of their armored forces consists of older tanks from the 70's, the modern tanks exist in a signifacant number. Ph33r them, baby!

China's infantry is well trained, well equipped and come in a seemingly unlimited number (reserves included, of course).

Their economy is one of the fastest growing on earth, thanks to the foreign investment that their cheap labour force costs.

Their airforce is one of the best there is on earth. Not a bad thing.

Their navy is, surprise surprise, one of the best there is as well.

And don't even get me started on ballistic missiles and nukes. They have international reach missiles that are accurate and high-tech. And they also have enough warheads to annihilate all of earth.

Modern military technology, superb army, a good economy and frightening nuclear power. Do not underestimate the power of the dark side, young Skywalker.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Modern Day Scenario

Originally posted by Pidor8
I have an idea much better, but beside me greater problems with english, hope you understand me

I nothing have not against Economy China she really I shock. But military technology China is bought beside Russia basically, all planes Russian production - MIGs. I have ed on military budget China and I became funny in 1997 he formed whole 7 biil. of the dollars.
The Nucleus weapon has grown old several years back. Besides beside China repugnant zenithal weapon. American Stealth whole for several hours can destroy whole infrastructure a China. If you interest more detailed information I can bring infallible proofs
 

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The China will not be able to inflict absolutely no damage USA their own nucleus rockets, to example shall say that Nucleus shield China worse russian approximately in 600 once.
Shall Presently tell

20 rockets DF-5" and "DF-5M" have already grown old and will not be able to overpunch American ABOUT.
New ICBM "DF-31" and "DF-41" are still found in stage of the test and will be unrolled only by the end of this decennial events in amount, not comparable with russian RVSN on this period Enough VWVhave diarrhea production powers. It is Enough to say that 20 rockets "DF-5" China unfolded during twelve years after taking on arms.Compare to Soviet unions, unrolled with 1966-go on 1970 1028. Is it Weakly motivated suggestions that backlog in 25 - 35 years China will be able to pass the years for ten.
 

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"I nothing have not against Economy China she really I shock. But military technology China is bought beside Russia basically, all planes Russian production - MIGs."

Nyet, tovarish Pidor. The Chinese are building their own planes out of their own technology. They stopped being totally dependant on Russia in that area a few decades back.

"I have ed on military budget China and I became funny in 1997 he formed whole 7 biil. of the dollars."

China spends more money on her military than that.

"The Nucleus weapon has grown old several years back. Besides beside China repugnant zenithal weapon. American Stealth whole for several hours can destroy whole infrastructure a China. If you interest more detailed information I can bring infallible proofs"

OMGZ!!! STEALTH BOMBERS! MEIN GOTT!!!!! That's impossible to detect and get rid off! Well, unless you possess one of those ultra-modern radar systems that has a chance to detect them so that fighters can be scrambled to take care of them.

Old missiles, btw? This may traumatize you and destroy your entire world view, but i THINK they've been able to build newer ones as well. The old missiles could still turn the US into a nuclear crater, though, so that doesn't really matter.

"The China will not be able to inflict absolutely no damage USA their own nucleus rockets... WTF?!!!!!

You my friend have no knowledge of nuclear warfare. China's nuclear arsenal could wipe out the US in a matter of hours.

"Besides China has not a space arms"

And niether does any other country. US has developed a completely useless prototype for a system which may work (in a decade or so), but I wouldn't call that a fully developed space weapon system.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Modern Day Scenario

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Are you some sort of an idiot?


please refrain from insulting others.
 

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"Nyet, tovarish Pidor. The Chinese are building their own planes out of their own technology. They stopped being totally dependant on Russia in that area a few decades back."

Most of there planes are STILL built off the Mig Series, with only slight variations.

"OMGZ!!! STEALTH BOMBERS! MEIN GOTT!!!!! That's impossible to detect and get rid off! Well, unless you possess one of those ultra-modern radar systems that has a chance to detect them so that fighters can be scrambled to take care of them."

Yes, and China does possess technology that can easily detect a B-2, just not all over the mainland.

"Old missiles, btw? This may traumatize you and destroy your entire world view, but i THINK they've been able to build newer ones as well. The old missiles could still turn the US into a nuclear crater, though, so that doesn't really matter."

Not quite. China's relatively small sized Nuclear arsenal wouldn't bay able to destroy the whole U.S. Most of there missiles aren't even in the form of ICBMs.

"You my friend have no knowledge of nuclear warfare. China's nuclear arsenal could wipe out the US in a matter of hours."

Not even close. China doesn't possess enough missiles or enough ICBMs to destroy anything more than just the west coast. China has only about 248 nukes, and most of them are low-kT and non-ICBM. The Chinese nuclear arsenal couldn't destroy the whole U.S., it can't even destroy the whole west coast! If you know anything about Nuclear weapons, you would know that a small amount of low-kT nukes couldn't destroy that many citities, especially when they don't have many ICBMs. Enough warheads to wipe out the world? Not even close.

And the site you provided about Chinese Nuclear weapons? That site is not a reliable site. The information is redicuosly incorrect. They make it sound like China has 10,000 nukes, when it's suspected/they've admitted to only 248!

Also, the Chinese tanks do match the U.S. tanks in armament and many other aspects, but they definitely do not have as good armor (think Chobam), and they are a little lax on the amount of computer-devices on board their tanks.
 
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Well pardon Me!!!

Geez peoples it was only a damn idea! you dont have to go hurling insults the size of your ego's at me for merely suggesting somthing. ive got no idea what china's military forces are like right now, its not as if i look it up every night or somthing. And you say the creators are aiming for realism eh? wake up and smell the cofee! there will never be another world war again, the world is to secure for that. so for a completely ludicrous scenario i dont see why another equally ludicrous storyline cant go with it. but i might just reserve my opinion to myself as it will do about as much good as jesus bieng crucified. thank you for your time.
 

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Re: Well pardon Me!!!

Originally posted by Keledor
Geez peoples it was only a damn idea! you dont have to go hurling insults the size of your ego's at me for merely suggesting somthing. ive got no idea what china's military forces are like right now, its not as if i look it up every night or somthing. And you say the creators are aiming for realism eh? wake up and smell the cofee! there will never be another world war again, the world is to secure for that. so for a completely ludicrous scenario i dont see why another equally ludicrous storyline cant go with it. but i might just reserve my opinion to myself as it will do about as much good as jesus bieng crucified. thank you for your time.

Well, for some reason people feel the need to insult people for no reason (me telling you to read the FAQ and post in correct thread was a good reason).

Also, there will be another WW, unfortunatly. There will be, because this world has no security.
 

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"Most of there planes are STILL built off the Mig Series."

You miss the entire point here...

He claimed that the Chinese were still 100% dependant on Russian models. I only pointed out that they have aircraft models of their own.

"Yes, and China doesn't possess technology that can easily detect a B-2 all over the mainland."

I said "have a chance of", not "pinpoint with 100% accurcy and assure complete destruction of those pesky things in five minutes".

"Not even close. China doesn't possess enough missiles or enough ICBMs to destroy anything more than just the west coast. China has only about 248 nukes, and most of them are low-kT and non-ICBM. The Chinese nuclear arsenal couldn't destroy the whole U.S., it can't even destroy the whole west coast! If you know anything about Nuclear weapons, you would know that a small amount of low-kT nukes couldn't destroy that many citities, especially when they don't have many ICBMs."

100 missiles fitted with nuclear warheads land on your west coast. That isn't precisely small damages as our friend claimed a while back. It's a FUCKING CATASTROPHE with tens of millions of deaths and monumental economic damage. The US - and indeed the world - wouldn't be able to recover from that for decades.

"Also, the Chinese tanks do match the U.S. tanks in armament and many other aspects, but they definitely do not have as good armor (think Chobam), and they are a little lax on the amount of computer-devices on board their tanks."

... But they're STILL good tanks capable of fighting at a somewhat equal level of the Abrams. Not only rusty T-55 tanks, as Pidor claimed (sorta).
 

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Lord_Vr... nobody thinks youre cool. just because you happen to know every tiny detail about the worlds military forces doesent mean you have to brag about it. besides, its not even a good thing to brag about. and ya gotta stop insulting people. i mean really? who cares if it isnt 100% realistic. its very uninteresting and boring reading youre pointless insults so try and be a bit more constructive will you:eek:
 

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Originally posted by Keledor
And you say the creators are aiming for realism eh? wake up and smell the cofee! there will never be another world war again, the world is to secure for that.

Have you been living under a rock for the last six years or something? The Middle East is in chaos, tens of millions live in fear of terrorist attacks and every time we take a step closer towards peace we get hammered back two steps by a 150mm smoothborne cannon.

To say that today's world is too secure for a World War is a terrible misjudgement. Take a look at Iraq, Israel/Palestine, Chechnya, Russia (and East Europe in general), south-east Asia, South America and the US and you'll see what I mean.

Let's face it, the world is terribly unstable at the moment. But hey, maybe we're lucky once again. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
 
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