Stalin did not start a world war but instead he signed a pact with the Nazi in 1939.
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Stalin did not start a world war but instead he signed a pact with the Nazi in 1939.
OK,Done It
Unpack again and now see "scenario 2015"
Thank's a lot,greetings from Wroclaw
Edit: I see error in Poland
Head of State in 2015 is not Aleksander Kwaśniewski but Bronisław Komorowski and Head of Government is Donald Tusk not Leszek Miller
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hey, it's ME
umm, tera, our defense budget is over 750 Billion and it has been for about a decade.
Yes Trump could cause a civil war. But he's not really gonna build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. That's just talk to get the rednecks to vote for him. He is more to the left on the Political compass than Hillary the war cunt is.
Hillary will cause a civil war before Trump will. She will have the US at war with some major power. She just loves to saber rattle with russia as it is now. She fucked up the "reset" Obama wanted to have with Russia in the first place. She certainly exacerbated it with her shit about Syria.
Warren is NOT going to be a Vp of Hillary. Warren knows she has the most power in the Senate and she's gonna stay there. About the only things hillary and warren have in common is that they are both female. Well I think warren is, i'm not to certain about the war cunt.
Hillary is totally bought and paid for by the Corporations. no question of that. SO the scenario where the 99% revolt against her corporate regime is a strong possiblity. Especially after she nominates a closet republican to the supreme court and Citizens United isn't undone. The people who wanted Senator Sanders will be the genesis of that revolt and there are a great many of them. Plus with all the clinton voter disenfranchisement so that Sanders couldn't win. You can add in a bunch more millions to that revolution.
US military personnel havent fired on US civilians since the Kent riots of 1968, i think that is the correct year.
The US Volunteer military is taught to disregard an "Illegal Order". Both at the Officer level and the Non comm level. At least we had that as a basis for the part of our oath to "Defend the US Constitution from all Enemies, BOTH foreign and Domestic".
Those National Guard Units are under the Command of the State Governors, first. They have to be turned over to the Federals by the State. Now if the feds can get into the Guard bases and take control of those tanks before the State's loyal guard officers get to the tanks, Then the Feds have the use of the Guards forces. Guards are what we call "Weekend Warriors". That means they have regular civilian day jobs. The US does have regular army bases with tanks. Most of the Air force bases, even the reserve bases are controlled by regular air force personnel. SO it would be harder for states to capture and control air force units.
All US Naval bases and units, both ships and aircraft are controlled by regular Naval personnel, even on the navy's reserve bases. Most of the US army's bases are in the Southern States. That's still because every once in a while some stupid state legislature, like the damn dumb Texas one is now still thinking they can secede. Which they can't legally.
Really only the states on the west coast and Hawaii have Naval and Air units that the states could take from the feds most easily.
the west coast wouldn't have a problem seceding from clinton, nor trump and they would have the easiest chance of succeeding at it. just because of distance.
Hawaii would break away and become the Hawaiian Nation once again.
Just my thoughts I like the idea of a second american civil war though. Unfortunately Tera, our country is due for a HUGH Karma repayment. We have been the " naughty kid on the block" for a while and Bush/Cheney's unprovoked invasion of Iraq vaporized any "Moral high ground" we had left.
Just have an event where the damn "Football" gets destroyed so the clintons can't start up the FODD mod The only political entities that would launch a nuke would be the Caliphate, because they are already fanatics and the USA because we already did it. And most of our leaders are so damn "Anal retentive" that they would want to destroy the entire world if they couldn't control it.
I could see wEU in an alliance with the "Nicer" versions of Russia and with Japan, Hawaii and the California/washington confederation. Or whatever it gets called.
I mean Cali will need help once the rest of the US is back under some kind of federal control.
China.... who knows. it's big enough and has enough internal problems that just having the damn Caliphate on it's borders. maybe the Chinese will just want a non aggression pack with it's non-caliphate neighbors. Plus china could have it's own civil war as well.
In any event version 6 sounds like LOTS OF DAMN FUN
Hey Nova, are you done yet? hahahaha just joking
umm, tera, our defense budget is over 750 Billion and it has been for about a decade.
Yes Trump could cause a civil war. But he's not really gonna build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. That's just talk to get the rednecks to vote for him. He is more to the left on the Political compass than Hillary the war cunt is.
Hillary will cause a civil war before Trump will. She will have the US at war with some major power. She just loves to saber rattle with russia as it is now. She fucked up the "reset" Obama wanted to have with Russia in the first place. She certainly exacerbated it with her shit about Syria.
Warren is NOT going to be a Vp of Hillary. Warren knows she has the most power in the Senate and she's gonna stay there. About the only things hillary and warren have in common is that they are both female. Well I think warren is, i'm not to certain about the war cunt.
Hillary is totally bought and paid for by the Corporations. no question of that. SO the scenario where the 99% revolt against her corporate regime is a strong possiblity. Especially after she nominates a closet republican to the supreme court and Citizens United isn't undone. The people who wanted Senator Sanders will be the genesis of that revolt and there are a great many of them. Plus with all the clinton voter disenfranchisement so that Sanders couldn't win. You can add in a bunch more millions to that revolution.
US military personnel havent fired on US civilians since the Kent riots of 1968, i think that is the correct year.
The US Volunteer military is taught to disregard an "Illegal Order". Both at the Officer level and the Non comm level. At least we had that as a basis for the part of our oath to "Defend the US Constitution from all Enemies, BOTH foreign and Domestic".
Those National Guard Units are under the Command of the State Governors, first. They have to be turned over to the Federals by the State. Now if the feds can get into the Guard bases and take control of those tanks before the State's loyal guard officers get to the tanks, Then the Feds have the use of the Guards forces. Guards are what we call "Weekend Warriors". That means they have regular civilian day jobs. The US does have regular army bases with tanks. Most of the Air force bases, even the reserve bases are controlled by regular air force personnel. SO it would be harder for states to capture and control air force units.
All US Naval bases and units, both ships and aircraft are controlled by regular Naval personnel, even on the navy's reserve bases. Most of the US army's bases are in the Southern States. That's still because every once in a while some stupid state legislature, like the damn dumb Texas one is now still thinking they can secede. Which they can't legally.
Really only the states on the west coast and Hawaii have Naval and Air units that the states could take from the feds most easily.
the west coast wouldn't have a problem seceding from clinton, nor trump and they would have the easiest chance of succeeding at it. just because of distance.
Hawaii would break away and become the Hawaiian Nation once again.
Just my thoughts
I like the idea of a second american civil war though. Unfortunately Tera, our country is due for a HUGH Karma repayment. We have been the " naughty kid on the block" for a while and Bush/Cheney's unprovoked invasion of Iraq vaporized any "Moral high ground" we had left.Just have an event where the damn "Football" gets destroyed so the clintons can't start up the FODD mod
The only political entities that would launch a nuke would be the Caliphate, because they are already fanatics and the USA because we already did it. And most of our leaders are so damn "Anal retentive" that they would want to destroy the entire world if they couldn't control it.I could see wEU in an alliance with the "Nicer" versions of Russia and with Japan, Hawaii and the California/washington confederation. Or whatever it gets called.
I mean Cali will need help once the rest of the US is back under some kind of federal control.
China.... who knows. it's big enough and has enough internal problems that just having the damn Caliphate on it's borders. maybe the Chinese will just want a non aggression pack with it's non-caliphate neighbors. Plus china could have it's own civil war as well.
In any event version 6 sounds like LOTS OF DAMN FUN
Hey Nova, are you done yet? hahahaha just joking
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hey, it's ME
umm, tera, our defense budget is over 750 Billion and it has been for about a decade.
Yes Trump could cause a civil war. But he's not really gonna build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. That's just talk to get the rednecks to vote for him. He is more to the left on the Political compass than Hillary the war cunt is.
Attetntion: Irony : "Hitler also said he would ghetto the jews.."
and you know what?
he did it
also hitler was a left too he was just saying, nothing more
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Tera,the soviet army did not prevent the collapse of the ussr so it would be the same with the USA or with european contries.
Do not forget that The History is tragic.
Is there a strong nationalist feeling in Hawaii ?
Absolutely, inequalities are the big weakness of China, I think there will be a big revolution over there IRL,same with India and maybe Brazil too ?
Balkanization of China is possible http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KcXbI5AKV...FTM/rgIVXVLE6gU/s1600/Mongol_Tuved_Uyghur.gif
Actually the 21 century will be a century of chaos.
Do not forget that The History is tragic.
Is there a strong nationalist feeling in Hawaii ?
Absolutely, inequalities are the big weakness of China, I think there will be a big revolution over there IRL,same with India and maybe Brazil too ?
Balkanization of China is possible http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KcXbI5AKV...FTM/rgIVXVLE6gU/s1600/Mongol_Tuved_Uyghur.gif
Actually the 21 century will be a century of chaos.
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i just wanted to say that before the rise to poer of hitler, the peoiple didnt believed it either what he said
the message is: Just because he says is that doesnt means he wont implent it after all
Hi guys
In attachment some russian tech team logo. For those who want to change pictures.
I also added new teams:
- Russian National Science Institute
- Russian national space center
- Russian National Medical Center
- Gazprom
- FSB HQ
- Russian naval academy
- Russian air force academy
In attachment some russian tech team logo. For those who want to change pictures.
I also added new teams:
- Russian National Science Institute
- Russian national space center
- Russian National Medical Center
- Gazprom
- FSB HQ
- Russian naval academy
- Russian air force academy
That's true Mikey, but what I feel is the most probable for another war, is the fact that Trump does not always think things through. That sounds a lot like what happened in Iraq. We thought they had "WMDS", but they didn't. At least, that's what the news says, but they don't always tell the truth. Bush probably beloved they had them, but I feel that he was most likely mislead.
With Trump, he says things that he never thinks about beforehand. If some country insulted him, he would order an attack(or at least try). He may also insult some other nation and they get mad. He wants to increase military spending for the U.S. As well, or at least I understand it that way.
With Trump, he says things that he never thinks about beforehand. If some country insulted him, he would order an attack(or at least try). He may also insult some other nation and they get mad. He wants to increase military spending for the U.S. As well, or at least I understand it that way.
yeah, it's been going for a while. still under the table though mostly. But then natives get more than they did from the whites. SO it's kinda a slow rumble just like their volcanoes
But yes, if the Mainland went into civil war the Islands would separate. Hell, the military could just switch sides. it's not like the USA would be able to spare any appreciable force to invade Hawaii for years. Hawaii would get a powerful navy, air force and Army. And the troops could still enjoy the sun and babes hehe
ummm, well seeing as i was still in the military and privileged to certain info. i can say that we definitely DID know in 2003 that Iraq had NO wmd's except some older chemical weapons that we in 91 didn't think they would be much good except keeping the Kurds in line.
Yes, that is OFFICIAL military doctrine for back then.
YES we are exceptional at setting different factions against each other. WE'VE been doing that for 50 years.
Trump will be able to be controlled. Trust me. there are way too many ways in which a president can die "by accident" if he were to step too far out of bounds.
Also there would be NO DARN WAY for him to DoW Mexico. the rest of the UN would invade America and the secret service would destroy the "Football" just so no nutjob republican could launch FODD. It can be used if the president isn't capable. It just takes more people to activate it.
Also there would be NO DARN WAY for him to DoW Mexico. the rest of the UN would invade America and the secret service would destroy the "Football" just so no nutjob republican could launch FODD. It can be used if the president isn't capable. It just takes more people to activate it.
Hello everyone! I've been lurking on these forums for years, but this is my first time actually posting here. I made an account just because of this mod, I've been keeping an eye on this thread since 2012 (as well as the old MDS mod for HoI2 back in 2008-10) and I'm glad that it's getting a major makeover to match today's realities instead of the previous decade. Real life issues (namely, trying to finish my Poli Sci degree) have resulted in me being unable to lurk as much as I used to for the past few months & thus missing a ton of pages, but while I'm still reading through them I'd like to ask: what role will Canada have in this mod? I understand of course that it's not a big dog on the international scene and so it probably won't have as much focus dedicated to it as say, the USA/Russia/China, but will it be getting for example election events (Justin Trudeau was just elected PM last year after all), an option to sit out of wars involving traditional allies such as the US & UK (like it did with the Iraq War) and the like?
Glad you asked, I myself am Canadian and I have some intresting events. Canada has the option of participating in the CIvil War that is to engulf America. Either as a NATO ally or possibly as an ally of the DSAR, or just stay neutral.
How could Canada support the DSAR? Well the NDP is going through the Leadership convention and Barry Weisleder is the most leftwing member in the NDP and he wants to have a role after Mulcair stepping down in order to move away from "third way centrism". If he wins, and defeats Trudeau in 2019, there is possibly Canada could stay out of 2nd American civil war, or stay out officially, but send support to DSAR, or even an all-out alliance.
This could lead to a left-leaning NDP government facing a coup from centrists, Liberals and Conservatives with help of military, if they beat back the coup, there is chance of declaring a Co-Operative Canadian Commonwealth.
If Trudeau, a moderate NDP member, or a Conservative is a PM, and Canada choose to remain neutral over helping the US(or be neutral officially, but send volunteers to help US federal government), they could get some sort of "leftists leave for the DSAR" event that could cause dissent.
I wiill admit, I don't want Trump's assassination to be the sole cause of the Civil War, it should be one of the causes, but there should be other flashpoints that have Trump still alive as I want to see what happens if he implements his policies.
Awesome, a fellow Canadian
This sounds great across the board. So will Canada's 2019 choices amount to Trudeau vs. either a relatively moderate New Democrat (Nathan Cullen maybe?) or a hard-left one vs. a centrist or radical Tory (Idk, maybe Peter MacKay vs. Kevin O'Leary respectively, considering the latter has already admitted to being inspired by Trump)? And in the event that, as you said, a non-NDP PM is in charge and causes leftists to head to the DSAR will they be enough to form a unit of their own in the DSAR's service, akin to the International Brigade units for SPR in vanilla, or at most provide a small boost to the DSAR manpower/resources pool?Since you mentioned the US, that's another area of great interest to me: I have relatives studying there in addition to having kept up with the 2016 election campaign, both for my polisci courses & out of personal interest. I had a look at the US events in the latest build and I see there's only one election event with Hillary, the Donald & Bernie as the only choices at this time + Ted Cruz is missing from the US ministers file. Is there any chance for a broader selection of candidates (say, Clinton/Sanders/O'Malley for the Dems and Trump/Cruz/Rubio/Kasich for the GOP) through a multi-event mini-chain like the case with the HoI2 MDS' 2008/12/16 elections? I do realize it may be bad form to just ask for these things, so I'd be willing to try my hand at coding them - I'll admit straight up that I have little experience with DH modding, but I have edited & written events now and then over the years for personal use - if that's permitted.
Awesome, a fellow Canadian
Since you mentioned the US, that's another area of great interest to me: I have relatives studying there in addition to having kept up with the 2016 election campaign, both for my polisci courses & out of personal interest. I had a look at the US events in the latest build and I see there's only one election event with Hillary, the Donald & Bernie as the only choices at this time + Ted Cruz is missing from the US ministers file. Is there any chance for a broader selection of candidates (say, Clinton/Sanders/O'Malley for the Dems and Trump/Cruz/Rubio/Kasich for the GOP) through a multi-event mini-chain like the case with the HoI2 MDS' 2008/12/16 elections? I do realize it may be bad form to just ask for these things, so I'd be willing to try my hand at coding them - I'll admit straight up that I have little experience with DH modding, but I have edited & written events now and then over the years for personal use - if that's permitted.
At most there would be a small manpower boost. Only a Weisleder government aiding Sanders' DSAR would have an international brigades unit sent to assist.
Also if O'Leary is PM he could potentially send volunteers to help Trump, there could also be a coup against him, which could lead to him declaring the Republic of Canada if he manages to outmanuver it.
Also flags for the Co-Operative Canadian Commonwealth and the Canadian Republic. Since we probably will run out of tags, these nations would be name + flag change, that's it.
Canadian Republic:
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Also, since there are events for Russia to fall into instability, any ideas for a Durginist Russia that could essentially be the equivalent of Wrangelist Russia in the mod?
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