Modern Day Scenario, towards Armageddon

[novapaddy]

ok, this also doesn't make any sense. so i'm playing as Russia, it's oct 2015 my belligerence is 10. but i've only DoW ISIS. ISIS belligerence is 3 and they are at war with USA, britain, france Iraq, Iran, Syria and Hesbolah. ISIS should have a higher belligerence than just 3, yes?

SO are you saying that the Dissent not only just is what we read in the slider for our country's Intervention, but also your country's and the other country's belligerance level at the time of the DoW?

I'm not being cheeky, but I don't know. I'm only a modder. I don't know everything about dh, and unfortunately anyway, I would tend these days, to forget the details. Such is Life. I'm getn old.

ALB is in NATO. ALB is the closest ally US has in the region. ALB IS NOT a muslim country.

Bulgaria would jump to the opportunity to ally with Albania to cut Macedonia in half.

Edit: Also ROM has better cultural and historical ties with Albania than Greece.

I've no knowledge of the Balkans, other than what I read on wiki or the internet generally. I did actually check ALB and wiki says they are 57% muslim. I don't know the ins and outs of how Balkan states interact with eachother. Best I can do is replace BUL for ROM. But I still need ALB to attack Kosovo and then threaten Macedonia, which brings in GRE.

This was all suggested in a post earlier:

".......On the other hand Balkans is a region full of possible realistic conflicts. I've seen in the game, Croatia attacks Serbia based on a bomb in the capital..Croatia is a lot weaker in real life, BUT in an alliance with Muslim-Croat Federation of Bosnia, Montenegro, Albania and Kosovo, that could spice the game up to the max, to whomever plays in Balkans. Fyrom and (maybe) Turkey on Croatia's side, and Romania and Greece along with some kind of revolt in Republic of Srpska on Serbia's side could just as well make the Balkans region burst into flames again, well, like it always happens there. Also, one more thing to add, a lot of nations don't have claimed provinces, but that's not a big job. I'm offering my help everywhere you need it.
Now, after these "small" wars are done, there could happen a World War 3 opener. I'm thinking maybe China (Shanghai Pact backed) - Taiwan (NATO backed) (though that was used in MDS before), or Iran (SP backed) - Saudi Arabia (NATO backed) over Iraq but also Yemen included, or Russia (SP backed) - Baltics + Ukraine (NATO backed). At that moment, i think a huge alliances would have to be made, an event or something for the nations to pick their sides. I know this has all been done previously, but thats why the people played it, it was good, realistic. MDS was a great game if you ask me, but it lacked a good map, and this map is just...Rolls Royce. Now, i got to say, i still didn't read all of the events, and i still didn't passed a game year 2016 in game so i have no idea what have you cooked for us after those years, but i bet it's good......."

 

[mikey1871]

yes, i'm supposedly getting old as well haha

 

[novapaddy]

2016 : Putin mod American scenario (total fiction)

Despite the Republican Party trying their best to stop Donald Trump, he wins the Nomination at the Republican Party Congress in June 2016.

Hilary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination.

By the time the day of Election arrives, Clinton is dust and Trump is expected to win a landslide.

....................................................

John Kerry is already talking about a Plan B. This phrase is first heard in March 2016 and is thought to relate to Syria.

Baba Vanga prophesied that Obama would be the last president of the USA.

The USA is run by large corporate interests, the military industrial complex and banksters in wall street. Hereinafter called the Establishment.

Clinton is the Establishment candidate. Trump is the opposite. Trump cannot be allowed to win the Presidency.

.......................................................

A severe crisis faces the Establishment. Trump cannot win. The Establishment needs to create a new Crisis in America, to enable them to manage their own crisis.

They cannot simply shoot Trump as they already used this Plan before. They could attempt a shooting, but again this Plan has been used before. A more potentially dangerous Plan is required.

On the day of the Election, the US is attacked by North Korea with nuclear weapons. Alaska, Hawaii and isolated US bases in Guam and Okinawa are devastated. At maximum range this is all the PRK can hit. The USA responds in kind and the PRK is history. (this fulfils the need for america to be under nuclear attack, but not significantly so. Just enough to cover the need.)

Obama declares a state of emergency across all of America. He cancels the election and within weeks he has done a Putin, by being relected by the Congress. His term of office is now indefinite. He is the last president of the USA, as when people realise that the kind of things that happened on election day, kind of correspond to stuff that happened around 9/11, they suspect dirty deeds.

Soon, the natural freedom spirit of the american public rages within. But they are now in a police state, with their phones, emails, work colleagues, family members, friends all suspected on informing on them. Hundreds of thousands are in interment camps.

The military patrols the streets. Later as the rage increases to boiling point, revolts occur all over america. The People are starting to fight back, they want their country back. They want America back. The World needs America back.

.....................

In Europe, Britain has somehow heard about Plan B early in the year. This is why Britain is having a vote to leave the EU. The EU is part of Plan B. Plan B is where the large corporations make the populations slaves, devoid of human rights as western society heads back into a kind of Dickensian-Victorian age. The EU and America are all part of Plan B.

So what happens in America is soon echoed in Europe.

.......................

Britain leaves the EU. It is somehow isolated and ignored for now. Other EU countries follow suit, and soon there is an isolated group of countries still harboring the old values of Freedom, Fraternity and Equality.

France joins with Germany and others in creating the new EU along the lines the Establishment ordered.

America starts new wars.
Putin sits in the Kremlin awaiting attack from the USA or the Caliphate.

Somehow the pops need to get organised and get fighting for the return of the lives they previously knew.

 

[Pippo Franchino]

I'm back after a little pause xD

So is gonna be civil war all over Europe and USa between lefties and rightist as i've suggested?
The plan seems intriguing but some stuffs seems a little forced! However is fictional so it's ok

You know, I think we have something in common.

Here inside the EU, although the overall idea is GREAT, and I'm for a common European identity and getting on together and making it all better for everyone. There is still the nagging doubt that I'm being drawn into some uncontrollable. My representatives in my Parliament do not have much or any say in the European Parliament, which isn't even where the Power lies in Europe. The Power lies in the European Commission. Not Elected AFAIK?

Where is this all going to end? Like you, I'd rather be in Europe, that was for Peace and Harmony and Trade and Good Things. I'm not for a Europe where I have no say, no control, no idea where it is leading me, by the nose, into what?

I just think that behind the EU is some "people with a big agenda", since we said NO in an election and were simply told to go vote again. Democracy? And it happened in France and Holland as well I think?

It just leaves me uneasy. I'm not angry yet, but just uneasy about the whole thing. It is like we are all on a joyride to Hell, and there is nothing we can do to stop it..... eek!

Also for Europe it would be good make possible to make an Europe , like you said , democratical and where you can vote.. To oppose to establishment europe!
Of course a Socialist european Republic would be great too XD

 

[novapaddy]

I'm back after a little pause xD

So is gonna be civil war all over Europe and USa between lefties and rightist as i've suggested?
The plan seems intriguing but some stuffs seems a little forced! However is fictional so it's ok




Also for Europe it would be good make possible to make an Europe , like you said , democratical and where you can vote.. To oppose to establishment europe!
Of course a Socialist european Republic would be great too XD

The problem with making a united Europe is how to do that?

If you are playing as Austria and you want to unite Europe, so you take over all the other countries (inherit them) and continue to play as Austria? Surely you would need to play as GER, FRA or ENG to have a proper game?

It is the HOW that is stopping this from happening. How to do it?

 

[macgregor2150]

All I can say is; what an excellent job Nova & crew! The work is obvious. I never meant to distract or derail; I just like to submit my opinion every now and then.

 

[Wordsarecool]

2016 : Putin mod American scenario (total fiction)

Despite the Republican Party trying their best to stop Donald Trump, he wins the Nomination at the Republican Party Congress in June 2016.

Hilary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination.

By the time the day of Election arrives, Clinton is dust and Trump is expected to win a landslide.

....................................................

John Kerry is already talking about a Plan B. This phrase is first heard in March 2016 and is thought to relate to Syria.

Baba Vanga prophesied that Obama would be the last president of the USA.

The USA is run by large corporate interests, the military industrial complex and banksters in wall street. Hereinafter called the Establishment.

Clinton is the Establishment candidate. Trump is the opposite. Trump cannot be allowed to win the Presidency.

.......................................................

A severe crisis faces the Establishment. Trump cannot win. The Establishment needs to create a new Crisis in America, to enable them to manage their own crisis.

They cannot simply shoot Trump as they already used this Plan before. They could attempt a shooting, but again this Plan has been used before. A more potentially dangerous Plan is required.

On the day of the Election, the US is attacked by North Korea with nuclear weapons. Alaska, Hawaii and isolated US bases in Guam and Okinawa are devastated. At maximum range this is all the PRK can hit. The USA responds in kind and the PRK is history. (this fulfils the need for america to be under nuclear attack, but not significantly so. Just enough to cover the need.)

Obama declares a state of emergency across all of America. He cancels the election and within weeks he has done a Putin, by being relected by the Congress. His term of office is now indefinite. He is the last president of the USA, as when people realise that the kind of things that happened on election day, kind of correspond to stuff that happened around 9/11, they suspect dirty deeds.

Soon, the natural freedom spirit of the american public rages within. But they are now in a police state, with their phones, emails, work colleagues, family members, friends all suspected on informing on them. Hundreds of thousands are in interment camps.

The military patrols the streets. Later as the rage increases to boiling point, revolts occur all over america. The People are starting to fight back, they want their country back. They want America back. The World needs America back.

.....................

In Europe, Britain has somehow heard about Plan B early in the year. This is why Britain is having a vote to leave the EU. The EU is part of Plan B. Plan B is where the large corporations make the populations slaves, devoid of human rights as western society heads back into a kind of Dickensian-Victorian age. The EU and America are all part of Plan B.

So what happens in America is soon echoed in Europe.

.......................

Britain leaves the EU. It is somehow isolated and ignored for now. Other EU countries follow suit, and soon there is an isolated group of countries still harboring the old values of Freedom, Fraternity and Equality.

France joins with Germany and others in creating the new EU along the lines the Establishment ordered.

America starts new wars.
Putin sits in the Kremlin awaiting attack from the USA or the Caliphate.

Somehow the pops need to get organised and get fighting for the return of the lives they previously knew.

I like the sound of this! Bravo

By the way, if you need any tech teams researched for any country just say so, I did a lot of research on Tech teams for ALB, AFG, ARM, ALG, AZB, ARM, ARG, and the UAE back when I was considering my own MDS sort of mod.

 

[Pippo Franchino]

The problem with making a united Europe is how to do that?

If you are playing as Austria and you want to unite Europe, so you take over all the other countries (inherit them) and continue to play as Austria? Surely you would need to play as GER, FRA or ENG to have a proper game?

It is the HOW that is stopping this from happening. How to do it?

During the Civil wars with chain of events the countries can choose if join United State of Europe or not. Or after Civil Wars End then make a great event!

 

[macgregor2150]

2016 : Putin mod American scenario (total fiction)

Despite the Republican Party trying their best to stop Donald Trump, he wins the Nomination at the Republican Party Congress in June 2016.

Hilary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination.

By the time the day of Election arrives, Clinton is dust and Trump is expected to win a landslide.

....................................................

John Kerry is already talking about a Plan B. This phrase is first heard in March 2016 and is thought to relate to Syria.

Baba Vanga prophesied that Obama would be the last president of the USA.

The USA is run by large corporate interests, the military industrial complex and banksters in wall street. Hereinafter called the Establishment.

Clinton is the Establishment candidate. Trump is the opposite. Trump cannot be allowed to win the Presidency.

.......................................................

A severe crisis faces the Establishment. Trump cannot win. The Establishment needs to create a new Crisis in America, to enable them to manage their own crisis.

They cannot simply shoot Trump as they already used this Plan before. They could attempt a shooting, but again this Plan has been used before. A more potentially dangerous Plan is required.

On the day of the Election, the US is attacked by North Korea with nuclear weapons. Alaska, Hawaii and isolated US bases in Guam and Okinawa are devastated. At maximum range this is all the PRK can hit. The USA responds in kind and the PRK is history. (this fulfils the need for america to be under nuclear attack, but not significantly so. Just enough to cover the need.)

Obama declares a state of emergency across all of America. He cancels the election and within weeks he has done a Putin, by being relected by the Congress. His term of office is now indefinite. He is the last president of the USA, as when people realise that the kind of things that happened on election day, kind of correspond to stuff that happened around 9/11, they suspect dirty deeds.

Soon, the natural freedom spirit of the american public rages within. But they are now in a police state, with their phones, emails, work colleagues, family members, friends all suspected on informing on them. Hundreds of thousands are in interment camps.

The military patrols the streets. Later as the rage increases to boiling point, revolts occur all over america. The People are starting to fight back, they want their country back. They want America back. The World needs America back.

.....................

In Europe, Britain has somehow heard about Plan B early in the year. This is why Britain is having a vote to leave the EU. The EU is part of Plan B. Plan B is where the large corporations make the populations slaves, devoid of human rights as western society heads back into a kind of Dickensian-Victorian age. The EU and America are all part of Plan B.

So what happens in America is soon echoed in Europe.

.......................

Britain leaves the EU. It is somehow isolated and ignored for now. Other EU countries follow suit, and soon there is an isolated group of countries still harboring the old values of Freedom, Fraternity and Equality.

France joins with Germany and others in creating the new EU along the lines the Establishment ordered.

America starts new wars.
Putin sits in the Kremlin awaiting attack from the USA or the Caliphate.

Somehow the pops need to get organised and get fighting for the return of the lives they previously knew.

(Good God! I'm already submitting my opinion again!) That's a frightening scenario indeed. If Trump were elected, I think the system would restrict him from doing a lot of what he wants, Still a wall would be built. European relations would suffer greatly; though he probably would do well with Putin. Putin would likely have free reign to send '150,000 men' into Syria while the US continues to arm Saudi Arabia to invest them at great profit for our MIC. I think he'd be willing to do what Obama wasn't; pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq. His domestic policies will cause huge dissent likely. Chinese relations will continue to disintegrate until a war is almost likely; though that isn't certain.

 

[emperor raspou]

2016 : Putin mod American scenario (total fiction)

Despite the Republican Party trying their best to stop Donald Trump, he wins the Nomination at the Republican Party Congress in June 2016.

Hilary Clinton wins the Democratic Nomination.

By the time the day of Election arrives, Clinton is dust and Trump is expected to win a landslide.

....................................................

John Kerry is already talking about a Plan B. This phrase is first heard in March 2016 and is thought to relate to Syria.

Baba Vanga prophesied that Obama would be the last president of the USA.

The USA is run by large corporate interests, the military industrial complex and banksters in wall street. Hereinafter called the Establishment.

Clinton is the Establishment candidate. Trump is the opposite. Trump cannot be allowed to win the Presidency.

.......................................................

A severe crisis faces the Establishment. Trump cannot win. The Establishment needs to create a new Crisis in America, to enable them to manage their own crisis.

They cannot simply shoot Trump as they already used this Plan before. They could attempt a shooting, but again this Plan has been used before. A more potentially dangerous Plan is required.

On the day of the Election, the US is attacked by North Korea with nuclear weapons. Alaska, Hawaii and isolated US bases in Guam and Okinawa are devastated. At maximum range this is all the PRK can hit. The USA responds in kind and the PRK is history. (this fulfils the need for america to be under nuclear attack, but not significantly so. Just enough to cover the need.)

Obama declares a state of emergency across all of America. He cancels the election and within weeks he has done a Putin, by being relected by the Congress. His term of office is now indefinite. He is the last president of the USA, as when people realise that the kind of things that happened on election day, kind of correspond to stuff that happened around 9/11, they suspect dirty deeds.

Soon, the natural freedom spirit of the american public rages within. But they are now in a police state, with their phones, emails, work colleagues, family members, friends all suspected on informing on them. Hundreds of thousands are in interment camps.

The military patrols the streets. Later as the rage increases to boiling point, revolts occur all over america. The People are starting to fight back, they want their country back. They want America back. The World needs America back.

.....................

In Europe, Britain has somehow heard about Plan B early in the year. This is why Britain is having a vote to leave the EU. The EU is part of Plan B. Plan B is where the large corporations make the populations slaves, devoid of human rights as western society heads back into a kind of Dickensian-Victorian age. The EU and America are all part of Plan B.

So what happens in America is soon echoed in Europe.

.......................

Britain leaves the EU. It is somehow isolated and ignored for now. Other EU countries follow suit, and soon there is an isolated group of countries still harboring the old values of Freedom, Fraternity and Equality.

France joins with Germany and others in creating the new EU along the lines the Establishment ordered.

America starts new wars.
Putin sits in the Kremlin awaiting attack from the USA or the Caliphate.

Somehow the pops need to get organised and get fighting for the return of the lives they previously knew.

it's a great idea Nova

I have just one question for American people on the forum.

Is the Confederate nationalism still strong in the southern states?

I mean is it possible that the southern states for whatever reason declared independence and try to restore the CSA irl ?

 

[novapaddy]

I'm back after a little pause xD

So is gonna be civil war all over Europe and USa between lefties and rightist as i've suggested?
The plan seems intriguing but some stuffs seems a little forced! However is fictional so it's ok


Also for Europe it would be good make possible to make an Europe , like you said , democratical and where you can vote.. To oppose to establishment europe!
Of course a Socialist european Republic would be great too XD

Well I think there is still the possibility of ANOTHER banking crisis, and seeing as some banksters are still getting huge annual bonuses, and yet their banks are still "poor" and still being fined for breaking the LAW (and no-one going to jail), I think another banking crisis would tip the balance in Western society as a whole, in the EU and USA, don't you think. THEN you will have real insurrections happening. So, not so much Left and Right, as Rich vs getting miserably poor awfully quick, and pensions ripped off and worthless ... again....

All I can say is; what an excellent job Nova & crew! The work is obvious. I never meant to distract or derail; I just like to submit my opinion every now and then.

No worries, criticism is fine but when it gets to almost everything you read, it is very tiring very quick.

I like the sound of this! Bravo

By the way, if you need any tech teams researched for any country just say so, I did a lot of research on Tech teams for ALB, AFG, ARM, ALG, AZB, ARM, ARG, and the UAE back when I was considering my own MDS sort of mod.

I DO NEED TECHS... future techs.. stuff I can put into the well, future techs page. OR doing the current pages.. you know the very plain ones... the Doctrines? better.

(Good God! I'm already submitting my opinion again!) That's a frightening scenario indeed. If Trump were elected, I think the system would restrict him from doing a lot of what he wants, Still a wall would be built. European relations would suffer greatly; though he probably would do well with Putin. Putin would likely have free reign to send '150,000 men' into Syria while the US continues to arm Saudi Arabia to invest them at great profit for our MIC. I think he'd be willing to do what Obama wasn't; pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq. His domestic policies will cause huge dissent likely. Chinese relations will continue to disintegrate until a war is almost likely; though that isn't certain.

I was thinking about what I wrote about Obama becoming the last US President, simply because he is in office, well like Putin. Maybe Kerry and Obama could do a Putin and "the other guy" who is President when Putin is Prime Minister. Can see his face, but cannot think of his name... Medvedev that's it.

I was thinking if this happened, then maybe MEXICO and CANADA could become the Market Liberal Society that has to invade the US. But because the US pops are so pissed off with their government, some side with the invaders to try to overcome the Banksters and Corporates to make a new Revolution and new 1776.

OR as you say it could be Trump.

 

[Xie]

If we do a dictatorship USA then.....Bernie leads the second revolution!

And we could also have an AUS stand in too vs. Socialists vs. Political Establishiment maybe with Cruz, some Teabagger or Trump loyalist, or even a outright Fascist, Neo-Nazi KKK or White Supremacist leading the AUS standing. It could be a AUS-style movement or a Neo-CSA seeking to secede, if the latter is the case maybe name it the Free States of America or the New Confederate Movement.

Maybe there are secret events too have a "secret" final boss that could be triggered if a lot of flags are set....essentially have the ALI tag be a dark global establishiment/NWO/deep state/Illuminati, through they;re not aliens, maybe a covert paramilitary group made out of a few oligarchs with top secret technology, that could spawn.

 

[Wordsarecool]

it's a great idea Nova

I have just one question for American people on the forum.

Is the Confederate nationalism still strong in the southern states?

I mean is it possible that the southern states for whatever reason declared independence and try to restore the CSA irl ?

I live in Florida, which (depending on where you live) generally isn't a very southern state culturally anymore, but you'll occasionally run into some very pro-CSA people. The whole controversy over the Confederate battle flag did a lot to rouse some of those feelings, especially in people with ancestors that fought for the south.

I imagine the feeling is more widespread in the deep south of Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi, and also Louisiana. Generally, however, I think most people would rather reform the United States than attempt to recreate the Confederate States.

 

[GermanPower]

Well I think there is still the possibility of ANOTHER banking crisis, and seeing as some banksters are still getting huge annual bonuses, and yet their banks are still "poor" and still being fined for breaking the LAW (and no-one going to jail), I think another banking crisis would tip the balance in Western society as a whole, in the EU and USA, don't you think. THEN you will have real insurrections happening. So, not so much Left and Right, as Rich vs getting miserably poor awfully quick, and pensions ripped off and worthless ... again....




No worries, criticism is fine but when it gets to almost everything you read, it is very tiring very quick.



I DO NEED TECHS... future techs.. stuff I can put into the well, future techs page. OR doing the current pages.. you know the very plain ones... the Doctrines? better.



I was thinking about what I wrote about Obama becoming the last US President, simply because he is in office, well like Putin. Maybe Kerry and Obama could do a Putin and "the other guy" who is President when Putin is Prime Minister. Can see his face, but cannot think of his name... Medvedev that's it.

I was thinking if this happened, then maybe MEXICO and CANADA could become the Market Liberal Society that has to invade the US. But because the US pops are so pissed off with their government, some side with the invaders to try to overcome the Banksters and Corporates to make a new Revolution and new 1776.

OR as you say it could be Trump.

The idea the President is restricted in power is a fallacy. He controls the military. He can do what he wants. It's been a matter of respect it's not stomped on. Look at Jackson. Literally ignoring the Supreme Court and Congress and starting the trail of tears. Saying basically. I've got a army. What do you have?

 

[novapaddy]

Trump started the civil war. He did not realise it at the time. He knew he could tap into the anger in the streets all over America.

But the cataclysm he unleashed was not expected. It was like Anger became a Force For Change an had somehow a life of its own.

Anger did not follow the expected path. A hundred years of discrimination overflowed. Trump became President. Mexico refused to pay to build his wall.

HISPANICS all over America stood up to be counted. In those States where Hispanics were the majority, they began to arm themselves. Soon there were calls for creating a Hispanic United States of America.

Mexico, seeing Trump as a new hitler, fully recognised the call of its People. The civil war did not start with gunfire. It was like people started to move away from the danger all by themselves. Soon the Hispanic States were ... I hesitate to say the words racially pure.... But let's say Spanish Speaking only.

It was when the new Hispanic governing body tried to capture the serious weaponry found on its territory, and started to divide the previous armed forces "firepower" that the shooting started.

 

[Pippo Franchino]

Well I think there is still the possibility of ANOTHER banking crisis, and seeing as some banksters are still getting huge annual bonuses, and yet their banks are still "poor" and still being fined for breaking the LAW (and no-one going to jail), I think another banking crisis would tip the balance in Western society as a whole, in the EU and USA, don't you think. THEN you will have real insurrections happening. So, not so much Left and Right, as Rich vs getting miserably poor awfully quick, and pensions ripped off and worthless ... again....

Yes another bank crisis can happen especially because the people and the banks who caused the first bank crash have not been punished, and i've heard about dirty stocks in the market like in the backdays.
Regarding the insurrections unfortunatly or luckly i don't know insurrecriont that are like "rich vs poor" have never existed. I want to explain better. I think it would be more effective but the poors will be many and they will purpose during the fights different ways to solve the problems.
Taking USA as an example people who support Trump will think to a post USA more nationalist/ populist with some measure that have to be taken for this.
Those people want the elctions to be respected ( if Trump was going to win)

The Establishment people want a free Market and will pay a lot the army who serve them having soldiers that don't fight for a cause, but only for money.

Many poor/medium people want more socialism because they don't have state healthcare, they don't have state university the USA legislation favour a lot the rich also now.That is why Sanders is having success, so he will take a good slice of people, meanwhile Trump would take another one.
So many poors ( i think to hispanic, or afro americans or democrats too) will never support a movement pro Trump during a civil war , it is more likely they make socialist/lefties state by their own.This people want more equality and they don't see Trump giving them cause they are not his target, so will side with Socialist.(Trump is supported by KKK too)


I think also that some states will try to get indipendence, Texas for example!

If we do a dictatorship USA then.....Bernie leads the second revolution!

And we could also have an AUS stand in too vs. Socialists vs. Political Establishiment maybe with Cruz, some Teabagger or Trump loyalist, or even a outright Fascist, Neo-Nazi KKK or White Supremacist leading the AUS standing. It could be a AUS-style movement or a Neo-CSA seeking to secede, if the latter is the case maybe name it the Free States of America or the New Confederate Movement.

Maybe there are secret events too have a "secret" final boss that could be triggered if a lot of flags are set....essentially have the ALI tag be a dark global establishiment/NWO/deep state/Illuminati, through they;re not aliens, maybe a covert paramilitary group made out of a few oligarchs with top secret technology, that could spawn.

I like your ideas , but i don't think there are enough paramilitary forces for the establishment in that sense, and they will never get support if they discover themselves, they need to stay always back of a national state.

Trump started the civil war. He did not realise it at the time. He knew he could tap into the anger in the streets all over America.

But the cataclysm he unleashed was not expected. It was like Anger became a Force For Change an had somehow a life of its own.

Anger did not follow the expected path. A hundred years of discrimination overflowed. Trump became President. Mexico refused to pay to build his wall.

HISPANICS all over America stood up to be counted. In those States where Hispanics were the majority, they began to arm themselves. Soon there were calls for creating a Hispanic United States of America.

Mexico, seeing Trump as a new hitler, fully recognised the call of its People. The civil war did not start with gunfire. It was like people started to move away from the danger all by themselves. Soon the Hispanic States were ... I hesitate to say the words racially pure.... But let's say Spanish Speaking only.

It was when the new Hispanic governing body tried to capture the serious weaponry found on its territory, and started to divide the previous armed forces "firepower" that the shooting started.

I sincerely don't like this idea, creating a state cause ethnicity is not something that can happen in the USA during this time and especially Hispanic group won't do such thing.
As i've said before Hispanic don't feel recognized by Trump, they would side with establishment or the socialist or some other party but making a country inside a country for Hispanics only don't feat. Hispanic won't never do such thing. Is more like Trump would make "racially pure" his part then the Hispanics.

I like the idea of Mexico making war to USA supporting one of the factions inside the conflict and taking some territories

ps: I want update you that Italy will probably go to war with Lybia ISIS with something like 5,000 men, USA and allies air support and special force from France, England , USA and Italy:
http://www.thirdwarworld.com/italy-ready-for-war-in-libya-against-the-isis/
http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/mond...ini-per-cacciare-l-isis_2163371-201602a.shtml

 

[GermanPower]

Yes another bank crisis can happen especially because the people and the banks who caused the first bank crash have not been punished, and i've heard about dirty stocks in the market like in the backdays.
Regarding the insurrections unfortunatly or luckly i don't know insurrecriont that are like "rich vs poor" have never existed. I want to explain better. I think it would be more effective but the poors will be many and they will purpose during the fights different ways to solve the problems.
Taking USA as an example people who support Trump will think to a post USA more nationalist/ populist with some measure that have to be taken for this.
Those people want the elctions to be respected ( if Trump was going to win)

The Establishment people want a free Market and will pay a lot the army who serve them having soldiers that don't fight for a cause, but only for money.

Many poor/medium people want more socialism because they don't have state healthcare, they don't have state university the USA legislation favour a lot the rich also now.That is why Sanders is having success, so he will take a good slice of people, meanwhile Trump would take another one.
So many poors ( i think to hispanic, or afro americans or democrats too) will never support a movement pro Trump during a civil war , it is more likely they make socialist/lefties state by their own.This people want more equality and they don't see Trump giving them cause they are not his target, so will side with Socialist.(Trump is supported by KKK too)


I think also that some states will try to get indipendence, Texas for example!



I like your ideas , but i don't think there are enough paramilitary forces for the establishment in that sense, and they will never get support if they discover themselves, they need to stay always back of a national state.



I sincerely don't like this idea, creating a state cause ethnicity is not something that can happen in the USA during this time and especially Hispanic group won't do such thing.
As i've said before Hispanic don't feel recognized by Trump, they would side with establishment or the socialist or some other party but making a country inside a country for Hispanics only don't feat. Hispanic won't never do such thing. Is more like Trump would make "racially pure" his part then the Hispanics.

I like the idea of Mexico making war to USA supporting one of the factions inside the conflict and taking some territories

ps: I want update you that Italy will probably go to war with Lybia ISIS with something like 5,000 men, USA and allies air support and special force from France, England , USA and Italy:
http://www.thirdwarworld.com/italy-ready-for-war-in-libya-against-the-isis/
http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/mond...ini-per-cacciare-l-isis_2163371-201602a.shtml

Dude. lol. It's a joke. I don't think paddy is serious. I found it entertaining. THE HISPANIC WILL RISE IF TRUMP IS EL PRESIDENTA.

 

[novapaddy]

Dude. lol. It's a joke. I don't think paddy is serious. I found it entertaining. THE HISPANIC WILL RISE IF TRUMP IS EL PRESIDENTA.

No I'm perfectly serious. The Mexicans say no and the hispanics stand up and be counted, all 55M hispanics already living in the United States, never mind the 122M hispanics living in the Mexican United States (real name of Mexico). So that is 177,000,000 pissed off hispanics, all standing up at the same time.

Trump becomes the President of the United States, watch the United States come apart, not immediately, but the second banking crisis brought on my the "mexican" crisis is a double whammy for Trump. Especially when he finds out there is no gold in Fort Knox. The world switches from the petro dollar to trade in oil in other currencies, the dollar slumps to its real value, the US goes broke, London goes broke... overnight. Putin and Xie are orgasmic in celebration...

Texas, Arizona, California etc etc all secede and become part of the Mexican United States. "America" turns inwards too preoccupied with its own problems, as other factions within american society look to their individual futures, maybe more seceeeeeeeedin goin to happ'n,,, lol

The Europeans now suddenly realise their true value without the old USA. Poland quivers as the US Army is returned to the American Homeland. NATO is a memory. The migrant crisis continues, as Turkey still sends everyone and anyone across that border into Greece.

In Libya, the US forces are withdrawn, seeing as no-one is now paying their wages. They sell their equipment to Al-Queda and isis, who are delighted to now have the latest whizz-bangs. The European forces, left without American airpower, are suddenly in real danger of being overcome. Because technology again shows its real value, while hundreds of thousands of "africans" push the european forces into the sea.

The Caliphate becomes even more powerful and plans are being drawn to invade Europe proper and turn it into the Western Caliphate.

... and all because Trump wanted to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. Oh dear... I can hear his mother crying out... "What have you done now Donald !"

 

[Pippo Franchino]

No I'm perfectly serious. The Mexicans say no and the hispanics stand up and be counted, all 55M hispanics already living in the United States, never mind the 122M hispanics living in the Mexican United States (real name of Mexico). So that is 177,000,000 pissed off hispanics, all standing up at the same time.

Trump becomes the President of the United States, watch the United States come apart, not immediately, but the second banking crisis brought on my the "mexican" crisis is a double whammy for Trump. Especially when he finds out there is no gold in Fort Knox. The world switches from the petro dollar to trade in oil in other currencies, the dollar slumps to its real value, the US goes broke, London goes broke... overnight. Putin and Xie are orgasmic in celebration...

Texas, Arizona, California etc etc all secede and become part of the Mexican United States. "America" turns inwards too preoccupied with its own problems, as other factions within american society look to their individual futures, maybe more seceeeeeeeedin goin to happ'n,,, lol

The Europeans now suddenly realise their true value without the old USA. Poland quivers as the US Army is returned to the American Homeland. NATO is a memory. The migrant crisis continues, as Turkey still sends everyone and anyone across that border into Greece.

In Libya, the US forces are withdrawn, seeing as no-one is now paying their wages. They sell their equipment to Al-Queda and isis, who are delighted to now have the latest whizz-bangs. The European forces, left without American airpower, are suddenly in real danger of being overcome. Because technology again shows its real value, while hundreds of thousands of "africans" push the european forces into the sea.

The Caliphate becomes even more powerful and plans are being drawn to invade Europe proper and turn it into the Western Caliphate.

... and all because Trump wanted to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. Oh dear... I can hear his mother crying out... "What have you done now Donald !"

I hope you will consider what we say nova, because United States of Mexico is totally out of time as idea.
How can you think that hispanics will purge the people not like them, and take power in these states during 2016 and in USA? It have toatally nonsense!

I invite you to give more choice to the player, i see that the player from what you are saying will have little choice: Populist like states ( Trump the savior...Meanwhile he is just Poweramonger that lead a corporation by himself or Putin with Russia), Islamist evil guys ( we all know about them), Establishment ( free market forever, let's kill the poor).

Leftist and socialist for example have little chances to get themselves in game and there are many of them all around the world (Look Sanders, look Spain, Italy, French , Germany too and Russia of course).

Having an ethinic war inside USA is really difficult it is more like having parties taking side that is why i've told yuou that a Kaiserreich USA civil war like would feat well with the game: Establishment, Populist, Some Indipendent States, Socialists.
It's impossible to make a war like Populist vs Establishment because populist don't reflect what many other people think that is why also socialist are needed.

And about USA leaving EU alone in Lybia i don't think there will be problems! USA is just giving support with special forces and some raids. If they leave, other EU countries already employeed in Lybia have good numbers of airplanes: France, Britain, Italy.European states have all good specialized armies and are not so unprepared to get attacked by ISIS into the mainland, without consider the navy. Of course if Civil wars going to happen inside Europe the army would retreat in mainland.
It's difficult however to get outnumbered by "africans" in Lybia cause the secular government and islamic moderate governments of Lybia are still fighitng isis and Tunisia have the army already mobilized.

It is more like the central africans states may fall to ISIS, but then it won't be that fast because of many tribes and armies going there.

Of course If EU engage war with Russia we are in inferior number but i don't think that is gonna happen, just Baltics states/Poland can be the objective, then i've read about civil wars possible also in Russia so they will have their problems too!

 

[emperor raspou]

, they would side with establishment or the socialist or some other party but making a country inside a country for Hispanics only don't feat. Hispanic won't never do such thing. Is more like Trump would make "racially pure" his part then the Hispanics.

Mexico could take advantage of the civil war,if the American house is divided,they may try to take back their former territories (california, new mexico, nevada, arizona etc ...)+ hispanics who are living in the southern states,would certainly join the Mexican army.

And what role could play the Indians in the civil war (I do not know if they are still sufficiently numerous to play a role).+ what about Canada ?

Perhaps the civil war could spread to Canada, a conflict between the british and french canadians and a free Québec (my obsession).