Modern Day Scenario, towards Armageddon

[sanmartijn]

What would drive a NEDEX? I've been to Holland many times and I've always noticed how orderly the place and people are. It appears "settled" and calm. Maybe I am totally wrong? I think a contagion following a Brexit would be more likely in a place like France. Another country with a proud history seeing itself having its status lowered, just like the Brits? I think Poland too is likely, taking other countries, but who really knows.

I just think having a vote on Brexit is a huge mistake, if you are not already sure of the outcome.

There are alot of people in the Netherlands who dont want the EU and i think and hope a Brexit will be the beginning of the end for the EU.

 

[ALVASV]

I've just run the game as RUS and yes I see what you mean about events from of all places... Burundi... happening frequently. I can fix that.

But I also noticed that stuff happens out of sequence that I had planned. But this is also good, as it means the AI is making its own decisions and the game will always be different. On this occasion, the Caliphate should attack the Lebanon, then Iraq and Iran, but instead they attacked India first. Whereas I had planned to attack India after all those other countries, which makes more sense.

There are events to create an Islamic Caliphate of the Caucasus, which is why Chechnya and Dagestan are as they are. But as with other stuff, only in certain circumstances.

Alright I just tried again as Russia, while I waited to be invited to the war, Syria got annexed by FSA which made Tartus become part of Iran. Reloaded and found that I could just join the war myself by bringing Syria into my alliance (73 chance of that), but nothing via event or decision :\

When ISIS "creates the caliphate", ISIS and the Islamic Caliphate exist alongside each other in Syria.

Also I think it's kind of odd that Hezbollah can just be annexed by anyone and they contr. Maybe have it so Hezbollah's province reverts back to Lebanese control if Hezbollah gets annexed.

That also made me think that perhaps during the war there could be a coup event in Lebanon, where Hezbollah, with Iranian and Syrian support, "launches a coup" to take control of Lebanon. If the coup is successful, Hezbollah annexes Lebanon. If the coup is unsuccessful, Hezbollah can choose to invade Lebanon or stay put. Iran and Israel should get choices to intervene in support of their side (Iran lends irregulars to Hezbollah, Israel lends some aircraft, representing their indirect involvement). Another interesting point is that the last time Lebanon was in civil war, Israel supported a separatist state in southern Lebanon: the Free Lebanon State

 

[sanmartijn]

I noticed when playing with RUS they dont have any Nukes.

 

[novapaddy]

I noticed when playing with RUS they dont have any Nukes.

There are no nukes in the mod. You have 4 different types of missile instead, and some of these are very powerful. You can purchase missiles and units when at war.

 

[sanmartijn]

Also i dont see the Admrial Kutsnetsov the only carrier of the Russian navy or the missle battle cruiser the former Kirov

 

[sanmartijn]

There are no nukes in the mod. You have 4 different types of missile instead, and some of these are very powerful. You can purchase missiles and units when at war.

I know i am firing missles at Daesh all the time lol super affective

 

[novapaddy]

Just downloaded and have a few comments/criticisms:

1. I'm surprised at how complete this mod is already with regards to the map! Great work guys!

2. Lots of government weirdness:

• Why are half the world's democracies labelled as dictatorships? Is this just for gameplay purposes or is it "oh so edgy"? It's especially silly when the US is a dictatorship while Somalia is a democracy.
• America being in the same spot on the Democratic-Authoritarian slider as Saudi Arabia is absolutely bonkers. Also, why is Iraq a theocracy, but Saudi Arabia is just populist? Among other things. Also, America should be relatively centered on the left/right scale.
• Also, America being labeled as a Dictatorship means the election event can never happen.
• India is communist?

3. America has air units based in China.

4. NATO isn't part of team USA and CSTO isn't part of team Russia. Gameplay reasons I presume?

3. Just some suggestions for US events:

• If Trump is elected, you have the "build a wall" event chain. You can build it yourself (getting you dissent) or try to get Mexico to do it (hurts relations with Mexico). In the latter case, Mexico can accept (decrease IC efficiency, raise dissent, costs money) or refuse. If they refuse, USA can back off (dissent), threaten war (major damage to relations with Mexico), or embargo Mexico. In the middle case, Mexico can cave to US demands or refuse, going to war. Once the wall is built, the USA gets improved fort level on all of its Mexican border provinces, a minor IC efficiency boost, and moves one towards authoritarian.
• If Bernie is elected, you can perform campaign finance reform (raises Democratic but lowers Open Society) and create universal health care (raises consumer goods need drastically but also drastically decreases dissent growth and slightly increases manpower growth).

American unit in China is fixed. That unit should be in Singapore.
Lots of stuff is WAD. Just because something was important in 2003 (last mds version) does not mean it holds the same importance in 2015. I mean the CSTO. NATO has been explained by me so many times already.

Dictatorships, I will investigate this. It may be an error in a file I was given or it may be my error? Reads like the file is backwards to what it should be.

Trump: I don't think Trump will survive between now an the election. He is not the establishment "dummy" for the job. I expect an assassination, or a sudden illness. Maybe he'll get cancer like all those south american presidents the US didn't like? Is there actually any point in having a US President? It appears that if the other parts of the government do not agree with him, he can do nothing at all.

This kind of government may have been sensible for 1776. But this is 2016 and the USA is the leader of the world, and having a President who is seemingly powerless to do anything useful to counter the threats the world faces, is a nonsense. Maybe Trump will be President and fix all of that? Maybe Trump will be President and get us all killed?

Have you played the Fallout mod for DH? There's a event chain where you are a time traveler and you basically go through a undercover mission using the event chain. You make choices and eventually end up with a real result in the game which could be a civil war or stopping one. My point is you could use the event chain in a similar manner. This would be perfect for setting up a real war. US SOF engaging Spetsnaz and what not. That already goes on today. It'd be a good bit of writing really but with a event chain type deal it'd be great for starting off wars and making the player really feel he's apart of the situation in whatever country.

Trump's wall. Should defiantly be a event, lol.

Another thing..what's the deal with Russia. I've played a couple games and they never do anything....Just sit there. I'd like to see them reabsorbing the Soviet states or something..it is called the Putin mod no? I don't think it should be left to chance. It should be slowly absorbing and reasserting its world power.

There are lots of events that fire a war possibility for RUS. But those conditions have to be met before this happens. It probably needs more work.

Thanks for the tip on fallout. I'm already reading up on the spies in dh to familiarise myself before I do anything.

Also, the "Damn You Greeks" event is some conspiracy theorist wierdness.

The EU is an American idea and project. Maybe you never hear Obama criticise European leaders when they go against what he wants. Maybe it is not reported in your media? A for instance: Well this is easy. Germany didn't want to bail out the Greeks. Obama told that they should and hey presto a few weeks later Greece was bailed out.

 

[emperor raspou]

Also, the "Damn You Greeks" event is some conspiracy theorist wierdness.

The famous conspiracy.


More seriously,all my life I have heard that the EU was a block that would allow small europeans countries to match with large powers (USA, Russia and China) and that the euro would become the first currency of the world and end the domination of the dollar(REALLY WOW these people were visionaries).


Yet in recent years the US has done everything to keep the EU united,during the Greek crisis,Americans have recommended to the European not to throw Greece out of the Euro and you'll see when the referendum concerning the Brexit will take place,the USA "will warn"the UK to stay into the EU.


Why the USA defend the future of an economic zone that would be a threat to them ?

 

[novapaddy]

Have you played the Fallout mod for DH? There's a event chain where you are a time traveler and you basically go through a undercover mission using the event chain. You make choices and eventually end up with a real result in the game which could be a civil war or stopping one. My point is you could use the event chain in a similar manner. This would be perfect for setting up a real war. US SOF engaging Spetsnaz and what not. That already goes on today. It'd be a good bit of writing really but with a event chain type deal it'd be great for starting off wars and making the player really feel he's apart of the situation in whatever country.

Trump's wall. Should defiantly be a event, lol.

Another thing..what's the deal with Russia. I've played a couple games and they never do anything....Just sit there. I'd like to see them reabsorbing the Soviet states or something..it is called the Putin mod no? I don't think it should be left to chance. It should be slowly absorbing and reasserting its world power.

I downloaded FODD and found the events you mention above. That event writer was a genius! I'll let the idea swash around that large empty space inside my head for a day or so and see if I can find a way to mimic a region of a country being taken over by others who don't belong there, but the usual inhabitants don't complain either. Well most of them. Tools are limited, but imagination is unlimited.

 

[Wordsarecool]

American unit in China is fixed. That unit should be in Singapore.
Lots of stuff is WAD. Just because something was important in 2003 (last mds version) does not mean it holds the same importance in 2015. I mean the CSTO. NATO has been explained by me so many times already.

Dictatorships, I will investigate this. It may be an error in a file I was given or it may be my error? Reads like the file is backwards to what it should be.

Trump: I don't think Trump will survive between now an the election. He is not the establishment "dummy" for the job. I expect an assassination, or a sudden illness. Maybe he'll get cancer like all those south american presidents the US didn't like? Is there actually any point in having a US President? It appears that if the other parts of the government do not agree with him, he can do nothing at all.

This kind of government may have been sensible for 1776. But this is 2016 and the USA is the leader of the world, and having a President who is seemingly powerless to do anything useful to counter the threats the world faces, is a nonsense. Maybe Trump will be President and fix all of that? Maybe Trump will be President and get us all killed?




There are lots of events that fire a war possibility for RUS. But those conditions have to be met before this happens. It probably needs more work.

Thanks for the tip on fallout. I'm already reading up on the spies in dh to familiarise myself before I do anything.



The EU is an American idea and project. Maybe you never hear Obama criticise European leaders when they go against what he wants. Maybe it is not reported in your media? A for instance: Well this is easy. Germany didn't want to bail out the Greeks. Obama told that they should and hey presto a few weeks later Greece was bailed out.

The president of the United States actually has quite a bit of power. Our last two presidents and especially Obama really took it to an extreme with executive orders, often bypassing the legislative branch completely. They also direct all US agencies and can use military action without congressional approval for a certain number of days.

And if anything should happen to Mr. Trump I swear to God things will get interesting over here real fast.

 

[Black_Scythe]

Great work novapaddy, but you already knew that As for things that are "wrong" appart from the lag I only have issues with the "buy armament" event which doesn't always work, delivers other arms and not the ones that i asked, and other random results. Also in playing as ALB I have no say in whether I want to ally BOS or the Caliphate (which in real life is simply impossible considering that out of 56% muslim Albanians, very few are radicals and they're very ostracized and shunned by the rest of the Albanian society). Is there a way to make those alliences a choice for the player?
All the best, and good luck with your exam.

 

[novapaddy]

The president of the United States actually has quite a bit of power. Our last two presidents and especially Obama really took it to an extreme with executive orders, often bypassing the legislative branch completely. They also direct all US agencies and can use military action without congressional approval for a certain number of days.

And if anything should happen to Mr. Trump I swear to God things will get interesting over here real fast.

OK, you know more than I do obviously. Thanks for clearing that up.

Great work novapaddy, but you already knew that As for things that are "wrong" appart from the lag I only have issues with the "buy armament" event which doesn't always work, delivers other arms and not the ones that i asked, and other random results. Also in playing as ALB I have no say in whether I want to ally BOS or the Caliphate (which in real life is simply impossible considering that out of 56% muslim Albanians, very few are radicals and they're very ostracized and shunned by the rest of the Albanian society). Is there a way to make those alliences a choice for the player?
All the best, and good luck with your exam.

I checked those buy arms events again and they look ok. Unless I'm a shit event-writer, which is very possible . I can improve on those events, as I know I didn't really give the player much option and he is driven towards a particular ending.

Exam: I realised today that it is on Thursday now, I'm doing a bit every day. Trying real hard to remember ... .. things in the proper order. Probably like my event writing...

 

[novapaddy]

TUR appears to be using migrants as a weapon of war.

Although it appeared TUR came to some agreement with Chancellor Merkel and was paid 3 Bn euros (?) to hold back the migrants reaching Greece, today I read there are 20,000 migrants nearing the Armenia border, again coming from TUR. And the migrants keep coming to GRE from TUR.

The main problem for RUS in having a war with TUR (in the mod !) is that RUS does not have a land border with TUR. Either the Black Sea or the small countries making up the states of the Caucasus block RUS access for a land war with TUR. So, following today's developments (if true ?) that many migrants going to tiny Armenia would be a huge problem. RUS already has forces placed in ARM to protect that tiny country from TUR.

A RUS taking over ARM to protect them from TUR aggression, would certainly go a long way towards enabling RUS to confront TUR directly. All they would need to do is, push aside GEO. ... To do that, could ARM push the migrants north towards GEO and destabilise that country, so TUR's aggressive act would almost be turned against them?

 

[Captain Julius]

Event Name: Greece Refugges Nobel Prize

Event Description:

From the begging of refugee crisis, fishermen, housewives, retirees, teachers, volunteers, residents of the Aegean islands
They opened their arms and their homes in war refugees.
Thousands of lives have been saved from all the people of islands.
Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras: I want to give my congratulations on the people of the islands and Hellinic Forces from all this hard work, and love they gave to all of these people who they came here to Greece for their safety and an better future away from wars.
Greece has won Nobel Prize. Congratulations.
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Event Name: Vandalism

Event Description:

Greece has already too many refugges and sadly they came too much more everyday.
They cannot control so well, Αnd the worst is on FYROM they keeping their borders closed for the people who wants to live to Germany,France,United Kingdom and on other E.E states. Greece has not still yet a very good economy and the Greek people cannot handle all this situation for much more, they're coming day per day more than 10.000 refugges from Syria,Afghanistan to save their lifes from Islamic State.
The Nato he offered to help Greece in its territorial waters by sending amounts of ships. But Greece accept the proposal without the participation of Turkey.

 

[mikey1871]

OK, you know more than I do obviously. Thanks for clearing that up.




I checked those buy arms events again and they look ok. Unless I'm a shit event-writer, which is very possible . I can improve on those events, as I know I didn't really give the player much option and he is driven towards a particular ending.

Exam: I realised today that it is on Thursday now, I'm doing a bit every day. Trying real hard to remember ... .. things in the proper order. Probably like my event writing...

Sorry Nova, but Words... is FULL OF SHIT. Both Reagan and Dumb dumb bush, yeah i mean the nutjob who invaded Iraq for nothing, made many more executive orders than Obama has. Stupid white people here in america just have a problem with a NON white guy in the damn white house, period! The USA DOESN'T have a working legislative branch at the moment.

The USA should have a civil war event in your mod, so that the smart non hater people in America can get rid of the rednecked trump lovers if Trump goes too far right. Like that's even possible, he's so far right it's not funny. It's scary in fact.

Please just go off what you get to read in RT, BBC and Reuters. PLEASE don't listen to anyone who watches or listens to "News creations" like CNN or FOX or any Corporate news media from America. it's all bastardized and not impartial anymore.

No disrespect to Mr. Words... it's just that american news viewpoints are all corporate bullshit.

 

[novapaddy]

Event Name: Greece Refugges Nobel Prize

Event Description:

From the begging of refugee crisis, fishermen, housewives, retirees, teachers, volunteers, residents of the Aegean islands
They opened their arms and their homes in war refugees.
Thousands of lives have been saved from all the people of islands.
Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras: I want to give my congratulations on the people of the islands and Hellinic Forces from all this hard work, and love they gave to all of these people who they came here to Greece for their safety and an better future away from wars.
Greece has won Nobel Prize. Congratulations.
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Event Name: Vandalism

Event Description:

Greece has already too many refugges and sadly they came too much more everyday.
They cannot control so well, Αnd the worst is on FYROM they keeping their borders closed for the people who wants to live to Germany,France,United Kingdom and on other E.E states. Greece has not still yet a very good economy and the Greek people cannot handle all this situation for much more, they're coming day per day more than 10.000 refugges from Syria,Afghanistan to save their lifes from Islamic State.
The Nato he offered to help Greece in its territorial waters by sending amounts of ships. But Greece accept the proposal without the participation of Turkey.

Looking Good CJ.

Maybe you should have a look again at that video you posted maybe a month ago, the one with the old priest. If you could write a chain of events that followed what the guy said, I'd be very interested....

Sorry Nova, but Words... is FULL OF SHIT. Both Reagan and Dumb dumb bush, yeah i mean the nutjob who invaded Iraq for nothing, made many more executive orders than Obama has. Stupid white people here in america just have a problem with a NON white guy in the damn white house, period! The USA DOESN'T have a working legislative branch at the moment.

The USA should have a civil war event in your mod, so that the smart non hater people in America can get rid of the rednecked trump lovers if Trump goes too far right. Like that's even possible, he's so far right it's not funny. It's scary in fact.

Please just go off what you get to read in RT, BBC and Reuters. PLEASE don't listen to anyone who watches or listens to "News creations" like CNN or FOX or any Corporate news media from America. it's all bastardized and not impartial anymore.

No disrespect to Mr. Words... it's just that american news viewpoints are all corporate bullshit.

Hey mikey1871, lots of passion in those words...

I had a look at FODD today, I was looking for an event string that GP mentioned. That FODD mod looks great. I then remembered your words about getting FODD to work with this mod... because I was intending.... to have a First Strike with nukes .. totally by event... where a country could take out a major competitor at a stroke...

Had the MAD idea of the mod evolving into some kind of WORLDWIDE FODD.. I mean not just the USA, but other countries (somehow) sharing the same apocalyptic experience.

HMMMMMM

EDIT: getn warmed up....

Maybe RUS, CHC and the USA could take out eachother.. a MAD scenario.. the rest of the world dies off due to a nuclear winter. The 3 major powers only survive because they had better nuclear shelters.

It would take a lot of work. Would probably need permission from the FODD team as well.

Maybe just a made interlude of an idea...

Don't know how you'd manage the sense of humour or the 1950s look for RUS and CHC, and maybe a couple of other nations... maybe the Caliphate could survive, and some real bad-ass Germans...

 

[novapaddy]

You know since I had that idea of the Putin Mod evolving in one scenario, into FODD WORLDWIDE, well for guys, you know when you are horny and you get that feeling in the bottom of your stomach or guts, that burning, hot feeling, well I've been kinda horny about this idea.

My creative juices are flowing like mad. I've really perked up and it is like I found a secret treasure. My mind is whirring around at the possibilities.

It would be a lot of fun to do, but I'd definitely need other guys big time, especially event writers and graphics guys and IDEAS guys. You'd have to do it in a gradual way. Maybe introducing the FODD type units steadily, and not all together. And different units altogether. Russian stuff and Chinese dragon units...

 

[mikey1871]

You know since I had that idea of the Putin Mod evolving in one scenario, into FODD WORLDWIDE, well for guys, you know when you are horny and you get that feeling in the bottom of your stomach or guts, that burning, hot feeling, well I've been kinda horny about this idea.

My creative juices are flowing like mad. I've really perked up and it is like I found a secret treasure. My mind is whirring around at the possibilities.

It would be a lot of fun to do, but I'd definitely need other guys big time, especially event writers and graphics guys and IDEAS guys. You'd have to do it in a gradual way. Maybe introducing the FODD type units steadily, and not all together. And different units altogether. Russian stuff and Chinese dragon units...

Most probably that you could do is the Intermediary time period between the nutjob Trump's of the world and the FODD mod.

But that would be a lot of work seeing as i don't know where you'd find the lore for that. i'd say maybe look on Fallout forums for any back story on right after the nuke war that gave us Fallout and hence FODD.

It is a great concept idea for a new mod and a possible alternative threading for DH as well.

But, to sound like the voice of reason... yeah i'm reasonable haha.. Maybe you should try fixing the problems with your WW2 mods and help hirz repair his great mod and bring the mods that get played by most of the players up to speed to work with DH1.04.

Just my dumb opinion You're lucky that your beautiful Irish isle hasn't been FRACKED to hell by the greedy republican's like they have already done to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, ohio, and other states around the Great Lakes.

BUT oh yeah.... republican's are great for your children to live under their rule
ok enough.

 

[novapaddy]

Most probably that you could do is the Intermediary time period between the nutjob Trump's of the world and the FODD mod.

But that would be a lot of work seeing as i don't know where you'd find the lore for that. i'd say maybe look on Fallout forums for any back story on right after the nuke war that gave us Fallout and hence FODD.

It is a great concept idea for a new mod and a possible alternative threading for DH as well.

But, to sound like the voice of reason... yeah i'm reasonable haha.. Maybe you should try fixing the problems with your WW2 mods and help hirz repair his great mod and bring the mods that get played by most of the players up to speed to work with DH1.04.

Just my dumb opinion You're lucky that your beautiful Irish isle hasn't been FRACKED to hell by the greedy republican's like they have already done to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, ohio, and other states around the Great Lakes.

BUT oh yeah.... republican's are great for your children to live under their rule
ok enough.

Well at the moment I'm fixing this mod. Going back to the dh map now seems like ancient history when you have the E3 map.
To convert Homeland to the E3 map, I'd have to port dh to the E3 map, and sure HOI4 will be out in a few months, so why bother?

What problem has Hirz got with his mod?

We don't have any oil in Ireland, well off the west coast and south coast we have(had?) gas, but these are owned by the US or Brits or Dutch anyway. I'm sure we get a small percentage? But Fracking, no fracking. Sometimes in a big world, it is nice and safe to be a tiny little island. Actually I live on an island kinda off the coast (a few feet) of Ireland, so safer yet again.

EDIT; As the song says "Thank God we're surrounded by water.... "

 

[mikey1871]

Well at the moment I'm fixing this mod. Going back to the dh map now seems like ancient history when you have the E3 map.
To convert Homeland to the E3 map, I'd have to port dh to the E3 map, and sure HOI4 will be out in a few months, so why bother?

What problem has Hirz got with his mod?

We don't have any oil in Ireland, well off the west coast and south coast we have(had?) gas, but these are owned by the US or Brits or Dutch anyway. I'm sure we get a small percentage? But Fracking, no fracking. Sometimes in a big world, it is nice and safe to be a tiny little island. Actually I live on an island kinda off the coast (a few feet) of Ireland, so safer yet again.

EDIT; As the song says "Thank God we're surrounded by water.... "

lucky YOU haha