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Ok, I will be testing this. I added
So, now I need images for infantry 1970, infantry 1980, infantry 2030, infantry 2035 and infantry 2040, plus mot, mech, airmobile, light armour, armour, mountain, marine, para, hq, garrision, militia for all these units.
Still actual? Write me what nations you need, and I can edit them or just find pics. Write if You need anything. Don't You think that countries have too many IC?
I think that only largest countries should develope 7 techs at a time. Maybe made it based on GDP of a country, for example:
In 2003 Poland had 368 billions $, let's make it 36 IC, Russia had 1,860 billion so let them have 186 IC. What do You think about it?
 

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Ok, I will be testing this. I added

Still actual? Write me what nations you need, and I can edit them or just find pics. Write if You need anything. Don't You think that countries have too many IC?
I think that only largest countries should develope 7 techs at a time. Maybe made it based on GDP of a country, for example:
In 2003 Poland had 368 billions $, let's make it 36 IC, Russia had 1,860 billion so let them have 186 IC. What do You think about it?

IC is all done and dusted. I have done it via a file and not the map file, so when mumia gives me the updated map, it won't be a big deal. IC is fairly realistic I think. Max for USA about 800 possibly, but most countries have about 20 to 30 ic. Units generally cost 5 ic.

Unit images are all done, not perfectly, but done, a few gaps here and there, but this can be fixed later. I used everything the contributors gave me already. I did my best otherwise. But the mod has moved on to event writing, almost the final stage of development. After this, just a quick check and release.

Can you do anything for the mod?

EVENTS EVENTS EVENTS
 

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Ok, so I start working events for Poland. At the end of the weekend I'll send them to You, and We will decide debate which are good, and which aren't.Ok?

You do your events to your heart's desire. You test them. You send them to me and I'll just check they don't break other events and then I'll put them into the mod. Time for debating is over, we're grabbing our guns here...
 

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Ukraine should also get a chance to win. We debate so much on its partitioning, that we forget, they also have a chance. :D So there should be events about victories. Against Russia its almost impossible, but if there is a Rommel caliber player, than the reward should be a peace event. Russia gives Crimea back, removes claims from Novorossiya, war reparations, Ukraine annexes Transnistria.
A web of alliances should be there. If Ukraine is at war with Romania, than they could ask for Hungary to help. In case they agree, than they could offer Transyvania from Romania, or Transylvania, and Carpathia.
If Ukraine is at war with Hungary, than they could ask for Romanian help. Romania could than have a few eastern Hungarian counties (which are 98% ethnic Hungarians, but https://kuruc.info/galeriaN/egyeb/teritoriromanestinagy.jpg this map can show you how much Romanian ambitions there are. Wikileaks can help you to search for this.), or Hungarian counties, and some Ukrainian land (if the U.-s are very desperate)
In case Slovakia attacks, than a Hungarian alliance could be born. Hungary could than take the ethnic lands, or by a smaller chance annex it. Ukraine if its desperate could also offer Carpathia.
If Ukraine is at war with Poland, than it could ask for Belarus and Lithuania for help, and Polish lands.
If Ukraine by some miracle is at war with only Belarus, than it could ask for Polish help for lands. (Or if Russia is mad enough than they could offer alliance for annexing Belarus).
If Moldova is under attack by Romania, than Ukraine could join in, or Hungary.
 

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OK,btw what country are You from?

What difference does it make? I'm Irish. .. nova... paddy

Ukraine should also get a chance to win. We debate so much on its partitioning, that we forget, they also have a chance. :D So there should be events about victories. Against Russia its almost impossible, but if there is a Rommel caliber player, than the reward should be a peace event. Russia gives Crimea back, removes claims from Novorossiya, war reparations, Ukraine annexes Transnistria.
A web of alliances should be there. If Ukraine is at war with Romania, than they could ask for Hungary to help. In case they agree, than they could offer Transyvania from Romania, or Transylvania, and Carpathia.
If Ukraine is at war with Hungary, than they could ask for Romanian help. Romania could than have a few eastern Hungarian counties (which are 98% ethnic Hungarians, but https://kuruc.info/galeriaN/egyeb/teritoriromanestinagy.jpg this map can show you how much Romanian ambitions there are. Wikileaks can help you to search for this.), or Hungarian counties, and some Ukrainian land (if the U.-s are very desperate)
In case Slovakia attacks, than a Hungarian alliance could be born. Hungary could than take the ethnic lands, or by a smaller chance annex it. Ukraine if its desperate could also offer Carpathia.
If Ukraine is at war with Poland, than it could ask for Belarus and Lithuania for help, and Polish lands.
If Ukraine by some miracle is at war with only Belarus, than it could ask for Polish help for lands. (Or if Russia is mad enough than they could offer alliance for annexing Belarus).
If Moldova is under attack by Romania, than Ukraine could join in, or Hungary.

Yes of course!
Remember POL has the visegard alliance with CZE, SLO and HUN also and the battlegroup.
 

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V4 alliance is important, but if Hungary got a chance to snatch some land from Slovakia they would go for it. The government would advocate against this, but the people, and the military would make sure, to take on the offer.
I'm 100% sure, that if the government of Hungary would decline the offer, than paramilitary forces would cross the border, to engage the Slovakian army and after that Slovakia will surely declare war.
 

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Well I think if Ukraine wins in war with Russia it should also have options what demands it should ask for example soft conditions: return of Crimea and Donbass along with reparations, middle demands: also demand return of Kuban Region, Belgorodkaya oblast, Voronezh and Kurks. From what I heard they were ukrainian territories which were given to Soviet Russia instead Russian transfer Crimea to Ukraine. And of course harsh condtions: Demand alll territories which belonged to Kievskaya Rus.
Considering that Poland will make deal with Russia in partion of Ukraine I guess with democatic goverment of Poland it almost impossible, only if Poland woud for some reason be taken over by radical forcesd. Still I guess it would be interesting to play as Ukraine and try to overcome war on two fronts in the mod.
There shooud be another possibility: Cherno-Baltic Alliance, which would consist of Baltic States, Poland, Moldova. Ukraine and Finland with a possibility to join to this alliance Chech Republic, Hungary, Romania and prehaps Belorus.
 

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V4 alliance is important, but if Hungary got a chance to snatch some land from Slovakia they would go for it. The government would advocate against this, but the people, and the military would make sure, to take on the offer.
I'm 100% sure, that if the government of Hungary would decline the offer, than paramilitary forces would cross the border, to engage the Slovakian army and after that Slovakia will surely declare war.

Well I think if Ukraine wins in war with Russia it should also have options what demands it should ask for example soft conditions: return of Crimea and Donbass along with reparations, middle demands: also demand return of Kuban Region, Belgorodkaya oblast, Voronezh and Kurks. From what I heard they were ukrainian territories which were given to Soviet Russia instead Russian transfer Crimea to Ukraine. And of course harsh condtions: Demand alll territories which belonged to Kievskaya Rus.
Considering that Poland will make deal with Russia in partion of Ukraine I guess with democatic goverment of Poland it almost impossible, only if Poland woud for some reason be taken over by radical forcesd. Still I guess it would be interesting to play as Ukraine and try to overcome war on two fronts in the mod.
There shooud be another possibility: Cherno-Baltic Alliance, which would consist of Baltic States, Poland, Moldova. Ukraine and Finland with a possibility to join to this alliance Chech Republic, Hungary, Romania and prehaps Belorus.

I think the core issue about RUS annexing the Crimea in the first place, is that it ruined the "peace in Europe", that all the work since WW2 has achieved (EU, NATO etc). Since WW2 (generally) European countries have sought to bind together to maintain the peace and not fall back into inter-neighbourly wars. Generally this has worked.

But with RUS annexing Crimea and then UKR falling into war, it has really shattered the cosy, peace everywhere feeling and where brotherly nations were walking down the road holding hands, now they are again looking at eachother, with a view to falling back into historical bitterness and possibly future inter-neighbourly wars.

Certainly in the Balkans IMO, you have the "successful countries" those in the EU already. But what about those on the outside? Are these not Europeans too? Here is a great divide.

Visually, there is a big ceramic urn called "peace in europe" and Putin has shattered it on the floor.

If in the near future if ENG leaves the EU, the EU will shatter also, back maybe to the Core EU countries, while in the previous Warsaw Pact countries, if they are smart and lucky, they may form their own visegard pact or some form of Central_European EU among themselves. ...??

All the other stuff going on, migrants, isis, bank failures, even possibly new bank failures, only adds to the problems our leaders must face.

In my mind, this is the background of the Putin mod. From Crimea, to Ukraine, Putin has shattered his image in the West. No longer is Russia seen as a friend, now, he is, well if not an enemy, he is certainly not trusted any more.

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This is only my opinion, and I'm not pushing any political agenda. It could happen, and of course it could not happen ever. But I have found it interesting to see how quickly you guys can tell me about what this or that country would do. It is like our civilisation is only a veneer, and we are all savages at heart.

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So, of course UKRAINE could win its wars.

I think in the 21st century, no matter what war is happening, we must expect the World's Policeman to have a say in what the outcome will be. So will Obama sit and watch his UKR project fall apart if POL attacks and annexes part of UKR? What can he do about it?

I think the difference in the 21st century, is we have one super-powerful country that sees the whole world as its concern. So, any war will need to consider what the US will do. maybe?

So, your Cherno-Baltic alliance, could be this previous Warsaw Pact arrangement. But how friendly were the Warsaw Pact countries to eachother in the first place? Would outside threats cause them to bind together, maybe?

Surely a UKR victory against RUS would cause the collapse of Putin's regime and chaos in Russia. I mean the tables would be turned totally on Putin and Russia. Don't you think so?

EDIT: Isn't this why the US arranged to have the war in the first place? I mean, to get rid of Putin?

I mean, in the 21st century, wars don't happen spontaneously. Someone, some Powers have caused this to happen in the first place. I mean deliberately, to suit their own agenda.
 
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Actually I don't think that the takeover of Crimea was a bad thing. If you see the history after the fall of communism so around 1989 until Crimea, everyone was educated, that a war is 99% impossible in modern day Europe, that every border set in stone, that the cards are already handed, and nobody can start a new game, or shuffle the pack. It meant, that every rich country will get richer, and every small, or average country is bound to fail and be a puppet of the "bigfish". Everyone was thinking that their average country has no chance of being successful, and a bitterness was happening. The western powers started to use the central and the east as sinkholes, and as the backwater of the mighty European power. Than suddenly came Russia, took Crimea, and....nothing happened. Not a war, not a cold war, nothing. Some protests, little embargoes, but nothing serious.
So after that the government of the east started to think differently. Hey, if he can do that, than so can we. If the west is so high up in the mountains, than we don't have a place by them. If the richer countries would have really helped Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Lithuania etc. and made them a safer, economically stronger, or even just in parts an equal country, treated them as equal parties, than things would be different. Right now, the gloves are off, and everything is possible. I think a new historical race has begun. The west is in decline and the smaller countries are trying to be the regional strongman. The world is slowly changing back to a modern medieval age in terms of war and territorial wants and needs.
Five years ago the things which are today would have been impossible. What will be five years later? Who can predict that? Raise the hand, if you thought an Islamic State could happen in modern age, which is so brutal, that the Crusades are cherry pie to that. Five years ago Ukraine was the best friend of Russia, with a unified people. Now it is falling apart. Five years ago the EU was a wishlist for most country, now half of it wants the get the hell out. Five years ago Gaddafi's Libya was the "Switzerland of Africa", and now it is a warzone and a wasteland.
 
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Well I dont want to go into politics but I need to correct you. There is no civil war in Ukraine. This war was a project of Putin, let be honest almost all so called goverments of DNR and LNR are russians not russian speaking ukrainians. And what kind of civil war its that people from Donbass go to to Kiev to recive their pensions here outside Ato zone. If Putin didnt send his so called volunteers there wouldnt be this war. I think the cause for this war had 2 aims: to divert attention from Crimea and to destabillize situation in Ukraine so it coudnt join EU and NATO, Please understand, russians think that here in Ukraine some kind of fascists took power and want to exterminate all russian speaking people. But this is pure lie and propoganda from Russian TV because I am russian speaking Ukrainian and nobody forbids me to speak in russian language. Hell half of Kiev speak russian language. The irony is that Putin with his "Russian world" have brought death and despare to russian speaking Donbass.
I presume that you are watching russian tv so belive me when I say that russian mass media is another form of wepon in this hybrid war of Russia against Ukraine. Oh I wouldnt presume that Putin is smart or genious. Had he be smart enough he wouldnt annex Crimea and start war in Donbass, he only needed to try bring to power again his pupet political poweres like he did in 2006. But he thought he thoght that would have not only Crimea but all 9 russian speaking regions of Ukrane. What he didnt count on is that those russian speaking poeople would be a patriots of Ukraine. So instead big and industrial Novorossia he get a headache with Crime that doesnt have land connection to Russia and small LNR and DNR (which controls even not full regions of Luganskaya and Donetskaya Oblasts), sanctions from US and EU which nowdays hurt like hell for russian ecomomy. Sorry for off top, just felt needed to explain this.
 
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I understand what you mean and I also wouldn't like it, if the same would be happening in my country, but I also understand Putin. This mod will exactly show, that it's like a game of Emperors. One chess piece goes down, but the game continues. Everything was good, until the balance of power was turning against Russia, and Ukraine started to drift towards the EU, and NATO. That was too much for Putin, and after the USA mad an opening (Nuland), he made sure to get the best deal out of it. Putin is not a world conquer, but if he sees an opening, he takes it. If Nuland didn't do the things she did, than there wouldn't have been anything that the Russians could do. The real enemy is probably NATO. Why is Ukraine so important to NATO? The only viable reason is to counter Russia. So, than Russia is an enemy of NATO? I think it is simple as that. If NATO is continuously expanding, than Russia feels threatened and it will make its move. If NATO was the same strength and number like after ww2, than there would be no support for Putin. If NATO would be a bit more peaceful, than Russian people would support an industrialist, or populist and not an ex-KGB officer.
 

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I draw maps because I like maps... Yes, I'm addicted a bit.

Hete is a map showing what could be Ukrainian gains in wars against its neighbours:

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1. Area of former Kuban People's Republic.
2. (plus 3. and 4.) Area of Don Cossack Host/Don Republic.
3. Area of former Don Cossack Host currently in Russia which I think could be annexed by Ukraine (official claims of Ukrainian People's Republic).
4. Ukrainian part of former Don Cossack Host.
5. Ukrainian part of Donbass.
6. Ukrainian part of Sloboda Ukraine/Slobozhanshchina.
7. Russian part of Sloboda Ukraine/Slobozhanshchina - I think this could be annexed by Ukraine in winning war against Russia.
8. Klincy province - Russian part of former Chernigiv Governorate - this could be annexed by Ukraine in winning war against Russia.
9. Belarusian part of Polesia - claimed by Ukrainian People's Republic.
10. Eastern Poland (Red Ruthenia, 'Zakerzonia') - potential Ukrainian claims on Poland.
11. Slovakian Lemkivshchyna - potential Ukrainian claims on Slovakia.
12. Area of Romanian Maramureș and Southern Bukovina with Ukrainian minority - potential Ukrainian claims on Romania.
13. Transnistria - part former of Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, autonomous republic of the Ukrainian SSR in 1924–1940.

Concluding in winning war against Russia in my opinion Ukraine could annex 3., 7. & 8.
 

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I'm sitting here listening to the music in the mod. I figured it out finally.

I'm also reading my post again and Andrey1984's and Khor's and looking at what I have to do to make a proper job of the UKR / POL events which I have started. Using google I was trying to figure out where these Oblasts were and how sometimes they were already part of UKR and not. Just then mumia, you posted your map.

Very timely! THANK YOU!

EDIT: @Andrey1984, I amended civil war to war. Apologies.
 

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Hey Nova, i want to write some events and i have a problem, i want an event to trigger another event but for multiple countries, i saw something about this subject sometime ago but it still don't work, can you take a look at the events if you don't mind.
event = {
id = 768501
country = ROM
save_date = yes

name = "Colectiv nightclub fire"
desc = "On the night of 30 Octomber at 22:32 PM a fire started at Colectiv nightclub during Goodbye to Gravity's metalcore band Mantras of war album release concert and from our reports a total of 27 people died and at least 150 injuried, The fire is the worst incident in Romania since Balotesti plane crash when 60 peoples died. The entire country was shocked by gravity of the incident and some even started to protest against the corrupt goverment, mayor Piedone and some others officials."
picture = "Colectiv_Fire"
style = 1

date = { day = 08 month = january year = 2015 }
offset = 2
deathdate = { day = 29 month = june year = 2025 }

trigger = {
day = 29
month = octomber
year = 2015 }

action = {
name = "What a tragedy!"
command = { type = dissent value = 5 }
command = { type = trigger which = 768502 }
}
}

event = {
id = 768502
TAG = { BEL BLR BRA BUL CAN CHC CHI COL DEN EST FIN FRA GER GRE HOL HUN IND JAP KOR LAT LIT LUX MTN PER RUS POR SCH SCO SER SLO SLV SPA SWE U31 CZE CRO ENG }
random = no

name = "Colectiv nightclub fire "
desc = "The Colectiv nightclub fire was a deadly fire in Bucharest, Romania, on 30 October 2015, which killed 63 people (26 on spot, 37 in hospitals)[8] and injured 148. The fire, the worst incident in Romania since Balotești plane crash when 60 people died. On 31 October, the government decreed three days of national mourning,[18] which was the first time in 15 years when three days of national mourning had been decreed in Romania."
style = 2
picture = "Colectiv_Fire"

action = {
name = "We should help each other"
command = { type = money value = -10 }
}
}

in MDS Vladim Tudor was fascist in romania , in 2015 Vladim Tudor is Death if you want to know
Yes, i remember that on a previous version of MDS he was president of Fascist Romania.
 

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@Soul of Darknes :

Event 1 triggers Event 2.
Event 2 is for multiple countries.

So, I only figured this out yesterday, as I was doing it all wrong before now, and it was Hirz who did is correctly first too.

So in your second event, you just need to put:

event = {
id = 768502
TAG = { BEL BLR BRA BUL CAN CHC CHI COL DEN EST FIN FRA GER GRE HOL HUN IND JAP KOR LAT LIT LUX MTN PER RUS POR SCH SCO SER SLO SLV SPA SWE U31 CZE CRO ENG }
all = yes
random = no
 

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@Soul of Darknes :

Event 1 triggers Event 2.
Event 2 is for multiple countries.

So, I only figured this out yesterday, as I was doing it all wrong before now, and it was Hirz who did is correctly first too.

So in your second event, you just need to put:

event = {
id = 768502
TAG = { BEL BLR BRA BUL CAN CHC CHI COL DEN EST FIN FRA GER GRE HOL HUN IND JAP KOR LAT LIT LUX MTN PER RUS POR SCH SCO SER SLO SLV SPA SWE U31 CZE CRO ENG }
all = yes
random = no
I added "all = yes" but now it fires but only for one country, only for BEL.
 
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