Modern Day Scenario, towards Armageddon

[novapaddy]

I think Damascus should get 2-3 garrison divisions, that can't be moved. It would certainly be a mountain task to to capture it, or besiege it. It should be simulated like this.
Other thing: In case of Russo-Turkish war Turks should invade the Caucasus. Azerbaijan has a very good relationship with Russia, but it should ally itself with the Turks for territories in Armenia and the annexation of Nagorno-Karabakh, while Armenia should do the same with Russia. Georgia would have a 80-20% chance of allying with the Turks or Russians. Finally if the Turks can reach Russian soil somehow, than they can choose to support a new Chechen uprising. (The leader of Chechnya is pro-Russian, but he could always turn against them for the sake of the people).
Also if there is a full-blown war, than Crimea could declare himself a free country, which than would lead to Russia invading it, let them go, or Ukraine taking it back.
In case of Russian invasion to the Turk lands, there could be a lenient-mild-harsh peace treaty considering Istanbul (Constantinople), giving Armenia some land, along with a possible Syrian and Kurd land-grab, and if they really want to beat the Turks to half-dead, than after taking Istanbul, they also make a small Circassian buffer state next to this great city. The Russians would consider, that even if they take a little land, or just some concessions, the Turks will take revenge later, so beating them to a small useless part could have a very slow but possible chance. (I mean if they loose thousands of people, than they should get something for it).
ISIS should get events a little bit similar to Europa Universalis horde events. Let me explain. If they annex a country, or more important parts of the provinces which they claim, and they successfully hold it for some time, than they would get an event "The word of Allah reached them." or something like this, which would mean a little manpower bonus (forced recruitment or brainwashing), lower dissent (they should get a dissent hit regularly for what they are doing to the people, so they need to conquer territories to lower it), and some money, because they are looting everything they can.
Kurds should have a lot larger manpower pool, because they also use women soldiers. They can get a few movable garrison divisions, which use somewhat modern equipment, but they don't use it for offense, just for defending their lands.
A better picture for Abu-Mohammad http://alkhabarpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/أبو-محمد-الجولاني.jpg
You have misplaced him. He is not the leader of any Southern Front, he is leading al-Nusra, which should be named like this. The flag should be this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Flag_of_the_Al-Nusra_Front.svg
Some pictures for events:

Capture of Quneitra: http://www.alquds.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/20ipj.gif (not actually taken by there, but it is good enough)
Introductory event: https://harastamediaoffice.files.wo...8_246132275538905_863426480_n.jpg?w=490&h=275 (which tells the player what the hell is al-Nusra
Indoctrination event: http://www.aljazeera.net/file/get/16127ec5-4be8-40af-9cae-eb8172f8725a (it should be about recruiting for al-Nusra, and a manpower bonus)
Organization of the militias: http://www.ammonnews.net/img/big/2013611345RN33.jpeg (an event after a few months which would be about making the al-Nusra fighters a proper army. Org, morale bonus.)
Capture of Aleppo: https://www.alsouria.net/sites/default/files/جبهة النصرة.jpg
Alliance with ISIS: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...6GXvMrRZmEhPlo3i64DBHQhnF8D0qSsCM6Lh6dQioYqpa
Spoils of victories: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...U8IJ3nArlMRbeE3xDIyaUQyHag7XFEZ9fHiw0mM8eCa6g (after the capture of military equipment and the training of the troops the first proper military division is made)
Victory in the war: http://www.alhadathnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/لواء-التوحيد1.jpg
Damascus offensive: https://saqeralasad2.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/d8acd8a8d987d8a9-d8a7d984d986d8b5d8b1d8a92.jpg (if the al-Nusra faction have taken important parts of the country, it gets an offensive bonus)

What do you think?


If by Southern Front you mean the opposition than they could be easily named Syrian Opposition, or maybe Free Syrian Army.
Should I search for ministers for it?

THANKS!
I have Southern Front as the southern branch of alnusra, they are the same faction really. They are separate only because of supply reasons, just like the Kurd cantons.
So they come together if southern faction capture damascus and alnusra have survived.

Some useful ideas there, I'll definitely use some if not all of them.
TUR does become involved when SYR falls, well everyone becomes involved then, as this is the key moment for all their desires as to how the war ends.
It can become very complicated having so many different factions and countries all vying for their outcome to the war.

Giving Damascus a garrison force would definitely hinder southern front capturing the city, as they only succeed if SYR has sent enough divisions out of the city elsewhere. With TUR, there is always the possibility of getting NATO involved, so I really need TUR to be an aggressor state, so NATO is not so quick to get involved, since it is supposed to be a defensive organisation. I don't know how they would feel about TUR invading SYR and taking the Kurd lands from them.

Do a government of alnusra, please do! Why stop there, do all the jihadist factions if you want to. I mean do the pics, the minister.csv files also. THAT would be a great help.

 

[ALVASV]

I think Damascus should get 2-3 garrison divisions, that can't be moved. It would certainly be a mountain task to to capture it, or besiege it. It should be simulated like this.
Other thing: In case of Russo-Turkish war Turks should invade the Caucasus. Azerbaijan has a very good relationship with Russia, but it should ally itself with the Turks for territories in Armenia and the annexation of Nagorno-Karabakh, while Armenia should do the same with Russia. Georgia would have a 80-20% chance of allying with the Turks or Russians. Finally if the Turks can reach Russian soil somehow, than they can choose to support a new Chechen uprising. (The leader of Chechnya is pro-Russian, but he could always turn against them for the sake of the people).
Also if there is a full-blown war, than Crimea could declare himself a free country, which than would lead to Russia invading it, let them go, or Ukraine taking it back.
In case of Russian invasion to the Turk lands, there could be a lenient-mild-harsh peace treaty considering Istanbul (Constantinople), giving Armenia some land, along with a possible Syrian and Kurd land-grab, and if they really want to beat the Turks to half-dead, than after taking Istanbul, they also make a small Circassian buffer state next to this great city. The Russians would consider, that even if they take a little land, or just some concessions, the Turks will take revenge later, so beating them to a small useless part could have a very slow but possible chance. (I mean if they loose thousands of people, than they should get something for it).
ISIS should get events a little bit similar to Europa Universalis horde events. Let me explain. If they annex a country, or more important parts of the provinces which they claim, and they successfully hold it for some time, than they would get an event "The word of Allah reached them." or something like this, which would mean a little manpower bonus (forced recruitment or brainwashing), lower dissent (they should get a dissent hit regularly for what they are doing to the people, so they need to conquer territories to lower it), and some money, because they are looting everything they can.
Kurds should have a lot larger manpower pool, because they also use women soldiers. They can get a few movable garrison divisions, which use somewhat modern equipment, but they don't use it for offense, just for defending their lands.
A better picture for Abu-Mohammad http://alkhabarpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/أبو-محمد-الجولاني.jpg
You have misplaced him. He is not the leader of any Southern Front, he is leading al-Nusra, which should be named like this. The flag should be this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Flag_of_the_Al-Nusra_Front.svg
Some pictures for events:

Capture of Quneitra: http://www.alquds.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/20ipj.gif (not actually taken by there, but it is good enough)
Introductory event: https://harastamediaoffice.files.wo...8_246132275538905_863426480_n.jpg?w=490&h=275 (which tells the player what the hell is al-Nusra
Indoctrination event: http://www.aljazeera.net/file/get/16127ec5-4be8-40af-9cae-eb8172f8725a (it should be about recruiting for al-Nusra, and a manpower bonus)
Organization of the militias: http://www.ammonnews.net/img/big/2013611345RN33.jpeg (an event after a few months which would be about making the al-Nusra fighters a proper army. Org, morale bonus.)
Capture of Aleppo: https://www.alsouria.net/sites/default/files/جبهة النصرة.jpg
Alliance with ISIS: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...6GXvMrRZmEhPlo3i64DBHQhnF8D0qSsCM6Lh6dQioYqpa
Spoils of victories: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...U8IJ3nArlMRbeE3xDIyaUQyHag7XFEZ9fHiw0mM8eCa6g (after the capture of military equipment and the training of the troops the first proper military division is made)
Victory in the war: http://www.alhadathnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/لواء-التوحيد1.jpg
Damascus offensive: https://saqeralasad2.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/d8acd8a8d987d8a9-d8a7d984d986d8b5d8b1d8a92.jpg (if the al-Nusra faction have taken important parts of the country, it gets an offensive bonus)

What do you think?


If by Southern Front you mean the opposition than they could be easily named Syrian Opposition, or maybe Free Syrian Army.
Should I search for ministers for it?

Crimea wouldn't declare independence from Russia, it is a totally pro-Russian region, it went through much trouble just to join Russia in the first place. Ukraine intervening and invading Crimea though, is much more realistic, and should be a decision for Ukraine when Russia is at war with someone else.

I agree about Damascus, it should have a garrison seeing as it actually does have one IRL. The Syrian Republican Guard, which is the only military unit allowed inside the centre of Damascus.

 

[novapaddy]

Crimea wouldn't declare independence from Russia, it is a totally pro-Russian region, it went through much trouble just to join Russia in the first place. Ukraine intervening and invading Crimea though, is much more realistic, and should be a decision for Ukraine when Russia is at war with someone else.

I agree about Damascus, it should have a garrison seeing as it actually does have one IRL. The Syrian Republican Guard, which is the only military unit allowed inside in the centre of Damascus.

I have changed the garrison in Damascus to read Republican Guard. Cheers

 

[Khor]

Well Crimea is not that pro-Russian. Lets just say, that most of the Russians there are pro-Russian, but everybody else is pro-Ukraine, like the tartars. Its not that easy. People there somewhat accepted the Russian overlordship again, but a considerable part of the population is against it. I'd say around 60% positive, 40% negative about it.
A large number of people agreed to it, but it became final, when the Russian military occupied it. I agree, that is more of a Russian land, than Ukrainian, but you should also consider the Tartars. They are very close to the Ukrainians and hate the guts of Russians. They would rush for a chance, to get away from them.

 

[novapaddy]

@derekg36: I'm looking at your spain inc file.

Can you please amend the file:

All models are 0
No attachments to units, so no extra = engineer etc.

It is because it is much better for a start up mod to have it this way, it causes less problems. Thanks

 

[derekg36]

@derekg36: I'm looking at your spain inc file.

Can you please amend the file:

All models are 0
No attachments to units, so no extra = engineer etc.

It is because it is much better for a start up mod to have it this way, it causes less problems. Thanks

OK! leave it to my account!no problem!
forget that file, I'll have to make a new more updated 2015!

 

[ALVASV]

Well Crimea is not that pro-Russian. Lets just say, that most of the Russians there are pro-Russian, but everybody else is pro-Ukraine, like the tartars. Its not that easy. People there somewhat accepted the Russian overlordship again, but a considerable part of the population is against it. I'd say around 60% positive, 40% negative about it.
A large number of people agreed to it, but it became final, when the Russian military occupied it. I agree, that is more of a Russian land, than Ukrainian, but you should also consider the Tartars. They are very close to the Ukrainians and hate the guts of Russians. They would rush for a chance, to get away from them.

It's more like 15% against at the most. Crimean Tatars aren't close to Ukrainians at all, that's just the rhetoric of the Mejlis, which is now essentially a mouthpiece of the Ukrainian government. Crimean Tatars are mostly neutral, some of them voted for the union with Russia, others boycotted it, but their demographic is small anyway - 12% of the population.
Anyway my point was that it doesn't make sense to have Crimea rebel from Russia, but Ukraine invading it while Russia is busy would make sense.

 

[mipus123]

@novapaddy What about Poland? Do you need ministers, pics or anything else?

 

[gjerg kastriot]

Do you need Albania ministers also?

 

[novapaddy]

@novapaddy What about Poland? Do you need ministers, pics or anything else?

I have Poland, and lots of it. Thanks

Do you need Albania ministers also?

I don't have Albania, if you could get me the govt and maybe some army/navy/airforce images, that would be great. Thanks

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I'm sorry to report I am having serious crashing issues, with NO events activated, it appears my original crash is still there in the mod. I've posted in the tech support area and hopefully someone will be able to advise me.

I KNOW I keep reporting that I have this bug fixed, but it keeps coming back. Yeah, I'm pissed off as well as you! Me, more so...

But I live in hope, the jar is half full.. that kind of thing ...

 

[SniperX53]

Sad to hear, Nova. Everyone knows you're trying your best to resolve the issue, you can rest easy on that. I think you should take a break for a few days, Christmas is around the corner after all and you deserve some time outside of this project anyway. I'd rather you release a finished product rather than a half-finished one, if that.

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

[JulianSol]

Well Crimea is not that pro-Russian. Lets just say, that most of the Russians there are pro-Russian, but everybody else is pro-Ukraine, like the tartars. Its not that easy. People there somewhat accepted the Russian overlordship again, but a considerable part of the population is against it. I'd say around 60% positive, 40% negative about it.
A large number of people agreed to it, but it became final, when the Russian military occupied it. I agree, that is more of a Russian land, than Ukrainian, but you should also consider the Tartars. They are very close to the Ukrainians and hate the guts of Russians. They would rush for a chance, to get away from them.

Crimea is not "Pro-Russian", Crimea is Russian land. Why? Until 1953 the Crimea was a part of RSFSR (modern Russia), then Khrushchev transferred Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR. In Crimea the Russians lived (most of the Tatars was not so much, they were deported by Stalin). It did not attach much importance (because Ukraine was something of a state in the US) but now it's turned into a bomb. In the West, about it probably don't know, but in the 1990s there could be a BIG war between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine got the best parts of the Soviet forces, Ukraine inherited thousands of Soviet armored vehicles, Ukraine got nuclear weapons. The Russian fleet was in Sevastopol, and it did not suit the Ukrainian leadership. They actually thought that using war to expel Russian troops from Crimea. Moreover, the war was prepared and Russia, it was primarily the confrontation between intelligence agencies and special forces. Fortunately the war never happened. However, Ukraine in every possible way harmed Russia, supporting terrorists in the Caucasus. Relations between Russia and Ukraine are highly complicated and can not describe in one post. Tatars traditionally neutral. They, like all humans, have certain preferences, some for Russia, some against, but this is not a radical position. (The Tatars have their benefits in Alliance with Russia)

Sorry for offtopic

 

[novapaddy]

AGAIN.. thanks for your best wishes guys!

All is not lost. I have gone back to a previous version of this mod, the version when it was just the current version of mds running in the E3 map, with old IC levels etc, and it does not crash.

So, I have something to work with, I continue, but must now take a different path from before to adding IC levels into the mod.

Explanation: I added 10 IC per USA province to get the USA IC level at 5000. I added 2,3,4, or 5 to all the other provinces and it turned out to be pretty good at approximating IC levels for 2015 countries. But now that mod crashes. I'm thinking maybe the thousands of IC is overwhelming dh? The only real difference between the crashing mod and the non-crashing mod is the IC entered into the province file, well except for images and some governments etc.

I continue, but this will not now be ready for Christmas.

No worries JulianSol, it is all information for me and I assume others as well.

 

[novapaddy]

Just a quick update:

I'm working searching for "crash causes". I have since found a"biggie" but no cigar yet. It was the kind of thing where you ask yourself "How did that happen?!"

So, if you are doing stuff for this mod, keep doing it. I'm still doing it.

Instead of starting again, I'm checking everything, especially the inc files. Cheers

 

[ZombieZleeping]

I don't understand where all of the downloads and updates are, it seems like they're scattered all over these 249 pages. Not really sure what to do.

 

[novapaddy]

I don't understand where all of the downloads and updates are, it seems like they're scattered all over these 249 pages. Not really sure what to do.

?
The link is on page 1. There is one file to copy and paste which is attached at the bottom of the first post.

 

[ZombieZleeping]

But I remember downloading MDS_10_2015, which was released in October. The download on the first page is from September.

 

[novapaddy]

What I meant was all of the addons and stuff that are posted here and there on the pages, for example new pictures.

Sorry for the confusion.
The old mds mod is posted in that link on page 1. It uses the darkest hour map.

I'm currently working on a new mds mod called PUTIN. It uses the E3 map. It starts in 2015, when Russian troops land in Syria.
So most of the recent pages deal with the new mod, not the old mod.

 

[Captain Julius]

@novapaddy Did u find any solution about the events problem?

 

[novapaddy]

@novapaddy Did u find any solution about the events problem?

I made great progress in finding and sorting out some fairly major problems with the map at first and this led to me checking the techs, where I also found problems serious enough to be the cause of the crashing. I was very confident when I started the test this evening, really feeling that I had the problem sorted for once and for all.

But alas it crashed in the very same place at the very same time again. August 8 - 12 at 5am.

I do have ways of doing things in this mod that are let's say unusual. I have moved techs to different pages than they would usually be found, and added for instance a page just for RUS-CHC-USA. This sounded a great idea at the start, but now I'm wondering if in reality this was a good idea. This area (tech pages) and how I have done the techs, remains my only idea of what is causing the crash. Don't get me wrong, all the techs are done properly and all work together as a system, but I'm beginning to think maybe the format is wrong and that I must go back to the normal dh way of doing things, with infantry, armour, 2 navy pages, 2 air pages etc etc.

I have NO idea what is causing the crash.

Right now I have checked everything. Everything is done properly and works properly. When checked line by line, it is correct. But it remains a total mystery as to what is causing the crash.

SO, what do do now?

This mod has a scenario that is playable and is completed enough to be released, except that it will begin in June and crash in August. Always.

Let me first say that I'm continuing to do the mod. I still think when it works it will be great.

I'm thinking now of dumping the tech pages and re-doing them in the normal dh style (as explained above), so dumping the CHC-USA-RUS page, putting the navy techs on the normal navy pages and aircraft on their proper pages etc etc. Also doing things in a more simple manner. Going back to basics, getting a basic setup working and adding stuff by event AFTER the game has started, instead of having it all in the techs.

Possibly what I have done is just too complicated?

SO to sum up. I'm redoing the techs. I'm making the mod more straightforward and simple. The plan is to get it working properly first and add back the goodies later on by event or whatever.

Cheers