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Is this mod worth it? I mean, no offense to the people who are working hard on this, but last time I downloaded it (like 2 months ago), I was very disappointed: Decisions would grand huge amounts money without, any drawbacks, some would even let you buy army units (I managed to produce like 20 divisions with Cyprus that way :|). IC balance was essentially broken; countries like Poland being were to outproduce Russia (some relatively big countries were neglected in increasing their industry). Several events wouldn't fire, USA couldn't beat Iraq. Heck, what's up with the resources? Why one province is able to produce 10.000+ oil? And last, I noticed that all brigades weren't compatible with the game's combat update, so adding brigades to a unit would actually make it weaker. Any improvements? I actually remember the Modern Day Scenario of Hearts of Iron to be far more stable than this one.
 
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Is this mod worth it? I mean, no offense to the people who are working hard on this, but last time I downloaded it (like 2 months ago), I was very disappointed: Decisions would grand huge amounts money without, any drawbacks, some would even let you buy army units (I managed to produce like 20 divisions with Cyprus that way :|). IC balance was essentially broken; countries like Poland being were to outproduce Russia (some relatively big countries were neglected in increasing their industry). Several events wouldn't fire, USA couldn't beat Iraq. Heck, what's up with the resources? Why one province is able to produce 10.000+ oil? And last, I noticed that all brigades weren't compatible with the game's combat update, so adding brigades to a unit would actually make it weaker. Any improvements? I actually remember the Modern Day Scenario of Hearts of Iron to be far more stable than this one.


Right now it's completely worthless to play, if you don't want to play as USA.
 

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Is this mod worth it? I mean, no offense to the people who are working hard on this, but last time I downloaded it (like 2 months ago), I was very disappointed: Decisions would grand huge amounts money without, any drawbacks, some would even let you buy army units (I managed to produce like 20 divisions with Cyprus that way :|). IC balance was essentially broken; countries like Poland being were to outproduce Russia (some relatively big countries were neglected in increasing their industry). Several events wouldn't fire, USA couldn't beat Iraq. Heck, what's up with the resources? Why one province is able to produce 10.000+ oil? And last, I noticed that all brigades weren't compatible with the game's combat update, so adding brigades to a unit would actually make it weaker. Any improvements? I actually remember the Modern Day Scenario of Hearts of Iron to be far more stable than this one.

You're being quite rude!
Nova is doing this on his free time, just to remember.
Moreover, I always find strange people who "exploit" and then told that's breaking the game. Just refrain yourself from using these decisions!
You could fix most of these things yourself, btw, especially things like IC. (and then, share the fix with others!
I didn't tried the last release, so I don't know if those have been fixed or not.)
 

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You're being quite rude!
Nova is doing this on his free time, just to remember.
Moreover, I always find strange people who "exploit" and then told that's breaking the game. Just refrain yourself from using these decisions!
You could fix most of these things yourself, btw, especially things like IC. (and then, share the fix with others!
I didn't tried the last release, so I don't know if those have been fixed or not.)

Oh, sorry. I wasn't aware that modders here are supposed to receive only positive feedback about their work and pointing out errors/bugs of their work is being rude. And don't forget that AI can use decisions the same way we can. So, that event (I checked it now, it is removed) could be used by other countries as easily as I could use it. The IC has been changed for every single country, depending on "realistic" GPD rates, so I would probably have to change every nations' IC to make it seem more normal. By the way, I am not a moddder. Sure though, I guess I could change the IC for every single province, unless I am missing something.
 

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Oh, sorry. I wasn't aware that modders here are supposed to receive only positive feedback about their work and pointing out errors/bugs of their work is being rude. And don't forget that AI can use decisions the same way we can. So, that event (I checked it now, it is removed) could be used by other countries as easily as I could use it. The IC has been changed for every single country, depending on "realistic" GPD rates, so I would probably have to change every nations' IC to make it seem more normal. By the way, I am not a moddder. Sure though, I guess I could change the IC for every single province, unless I am missing something.

Its not what your saying, its how your saying it.
 

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Teowolf, don't like the mod then don't download it. Your criticism is uncalled for since the mod is under construction.

"Is this mod worth it? I mean, no offense to the people who are working hard on this, but last time I downloaded it (like 2 months ago), I was very disappointed"

Really? You don't read apparently. Because if you could, then you would understand that this mod that's currently being worked on is not the same as it was released 2 months ago.
 

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Criticism is fine, and probably true in what you say. I don't even bother to try to defend my work any more, since .. whatever.
When I stop and think of the months of hard, laborious work I did for MDS and guys still think it is shit, well, there you go...

The version available is an earlier version of MDS for DH. It is the best version with minimal lag. There have been other versions since, each one with more improvements.

I was working on a superior version and was calling it novapaddy's mds, but I stopped modding in mid December. I haven't started modding again since, as I'm now busy doing other things.

So, if you want to pick up the posted version of MDS and work on it yourself, please do so. You may then realise the hard, laborious toil it takes to do modding, and when guys fill the thread with nothing but criticism, you can smile along with me too.

For the guys who gave support for my efforts. I Thank You!
For the guys who criticised my work, go try it yourself. Hopefully I can applaud your work sometime?

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Novapaddy all you have to do is upload here your (probably) stored list of ICs of every country. The "realistic" GDP ruined the gameplay totally. It was great before, now the IC made it unplayable. Sorry my friend, just telling how gamer feels, I understand you in every way.
 

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Novapaddy all you have to do is upload here your (probably) stored list of ICs of every country. The "realistic" GDP ruined the gameplay totally. It was great before, now the IC made it unplayable. Sorry my friend, just telling how gamer feels, I understand you in every way.

Except the IC changes have hardly affected gameplay negatively at all.
 

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If you're doing IC based on nominal GDP rates, have you apportioned it based on GDP sector composition? The USA has a ridiculous GDP, but only ~20% of that is from industrial endeavors. You could then simulate the service sector "IC" by a series of local flags and off-map money production. In this example, China would have a higher IC than the USA by about 20% (more active factories), but the USA would have off-map production of money equal to roughly 400% their industrial output. Then, you could have economic crash events that raise or lower this figure to simulate world markets. Just a thought.
 

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Novapaddy, I didn't critisized your work. If anything, I admire your project, since MDS was my favorite mod in HOI2. I just pointed out some errors that existed previously and I wanted to know if they have been fixed. Not only didn't I got a single response answering to what I asked, but I shortly (I expected it, to be honest) got bashed by random "white knights" who apparently believe that giving anything else than positive feedback to something is equal to insulting them.

@tommo8993 my frustation is the natural result of people not helping me and making me look like an ass, including you. there was nothing rude in my original comment, which @Ticket Cookie labeled as.

And to the legendary Deounce:
Teowolf, don't like the mod then don't download it. Your criticism is uncalled for since the mod is under construction.
So... 1) I ask if certain bugs in the mod are fixed. 2) I get nothing, but a comment which claims that I am rude 3) Somehow, I have criticized the mod, even though I pointed out problems that are/were exactly as I mentioned 4) Thus, I shouldn't download my favorite mod cause "I don't like it" 5) I don't like the bugs my friend, not the mod. If any of you guys actually bothered helping me, I would already have an answer (I actually downloaded it, only to see that unfortunately not many things, such us IC balance or brigade stats, were fixed) 6) According to your logic, if something is under construction, we shouldn't point out what we think that should be fixed by far. K.
Really? You don't read apparently. Because if you could, then you would understand that this mod that's currently being worked on is not the same as it was released 2 months ago.
Other than the first page and the last page, the average mod user isn't obliged to go through the 200+ pages that a thread may have. But since apparently you read and know the progress, maybe you could have said to me what is going on with the mod, comparing to its' state before 2 months. All I see is 1 more worthless comment.
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In conclusion, any aggressiveness that I may have shown is simply the natural frustration of witnessing for years the equally rude behavior from some people who follow the principles of "if you don't have something good to say, don't" and are never helpful to people who need them. Good luck to all the developers in general. I guess I will just lurk for another 5 years to avoid the hordes of people who will be trying to murder me now. lol.
 

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Novapaddy, I didn't critisized your work. If anything, I admire your project, since MDS was my favorite mod in HOI2. I just pointed out some errors that existed previously and I wanted to know if they have been fixed. Not only didn't I got a single response answering to what I asked, but I shortly (I expected it, to be honest) got bashed by random "white knights" who apparently believe that giving anything else than positive feedback to something is equal to insulting them.

@tommo8993 my frustation is the natural result of people not helping me and making me look like an ass, including you. there was nothing rude in my original comment, which @Ticket Cookie labeled as.
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In conclusion, any aggressiveness that I may have shown is simply the natural frustration of witnessing for years the equally rude behavior from some people who follow the principles of "if you don't have something good to say, don't" and are never helpful to people who need them. Good luck to all the developers in general. I guess I will just lurk for another 5 years to avoid the hordes of people who will be trying to murder me now. lol.

Do you really cannot see in which manner you were rude by reading again your post?
Criticism and bug report are useful, but as tommo8993 said there is a way to do so.
Just look at Nova's reaction if you need any proof.

Moreover, in DH you can make human player only decisions, I don't know but believe that these were like it.
And you know, before starting, Nova wasn't a modder too.
Because yes, you would have to "change the IC for every single province", and yes, that's time-consuming and boring. And because it is time-consuming and boring, modders need motivation to do fix like this. Motivation they won't get by post like yours.

Btw, I try to be helpful, when I know the answer (which wasn't the case here). But when you ask nicely, you will get more answers and quicker. Exactly like IRL!
 
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