Modern Day Scenario II v1.5 - Available for download

[coolguy684]

also, im sure that the russkies and chinese wont resist using there bombers on leclercs, merkavas, challengers, leopards, and various other western mbt's.
on another note, for obama and hillary clinton, what trait do they hav as heads of gov/state?
i think that obama can either be happy amateur or naive optimist.clinton can be naive optimist-no matter how inept and how naive she is, she's no amateur.
also, wat about McCain?
he sud be die hard reformer or flamboyant tough guy.
if u dont think obama is naive, well, he naive enough to think that negotiations with belligerents like ahmedinjed will accomplish anything.

 

[Mrdie]

I was unaware Ahmadinejad was a terrorist. Source?

 

[coolguy684]

I was unaware Ahmadinejad was a terrorist. Source?

terrorist funder/supporter in my opinion is a terrorist.
also, the USA has labelled the Islamic Rev. Guards a terrorist organization for aiding shia insurgents in iraq and for aiding various terrorist groups like hezbollah and hamas.
ahmedinejad was a member of the Islamic Rev. Guards
its just like with the SS, if ur a willing member, u r guilty of all crimes that the criminal/terrorist organization commits, whether or not u r directly involved.

 

[unmerged(85800)]

would you say that about SS doctors and such who did nothing but save lives?

 

[Jamie550]

would you say that about SS doctors and such who did nothing but save lives?

What about terrorist doctors who save terrorists' lives and allow them to kill more innocents?

 

[unmerged(85800)]

... a good point actually. i'm not sure where i'd draw the line on that one - the oath a doctor takes means they are bound to try to save human lives wherever they can, and so by saving the lives of SS men they are doing their job. i do see your point completely though that in doing that they are aiding in what the SS do. i suppose i was more thinking of the doctors that looked after civilians in the cities - the one that sprang to mind and made me mention it was the doctor in downfall, Schenk, who in the film seemed a pretty good bloke, concerned for civilians and brave and honourable. though since looking on wikipedia about him he doesnt come off so well, using humans as guinea pigs makes me like him rather less. i dont know.

 

[Killerrabbit]

terrorist funder/supporter in my opinion is a terrorist.
also, the USA has labelled the Islamic Rev. Guards a terrorist organization for aiding shia insurgents in iraq and for aiding various terrorist groups like hezbollah and hamas.
ahmedinejad was a member of the Islamic Rev. Guards
its just like with the SS, if ur a willing member, u r guilty of all crimes that the criminal/terrorist organization commits, whether or not u r directly involved.

You go far beyond any decency here. He is the democratic elected leader of a country. Are the iranians who voted on him terrorists? As a American, should I blame you guilty of american warcrimes over the years? After all, you are a member of the american nation.

Hizbollah are a part of the democratic elected government of Libanon. Hamas were the same by the palestinians. Norway gave money to Hamas while in government, are we terrorists?

Did you know that the United States could not have invaded Afghanistan properly without the aid of Iran? That the Northern Alliance, who did a lot of the fighting against Taliban and took over Afghanistan is funded by the iranian government, just as Hizbollah?

Just labeling someone "terrorists" does not make them that. :wacko:

 

[Radu]

To say nothing of the fact that the Iranian Islamic Revolution itself is a direct result of USA's aggressive Cold War policies,namely the propping up of the ruthless Shah of Iran in a 1953 CIA coup through the removal of a democratically elected Prime Minister,Mohammad Mossadegh.

Iran's current theocracy is a blowback to the US's propping up of an oppressive regime.Google SAVAK to get an idea of just how "grateful" the Iranians should be at the prospect of another US coup in Iran.

Coolguy,if you want a platform where to parrot Bush's inane neocon rethoric I suggest you look for it somewhere else.

You know what they say.One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...*cough* Afghan-Soviet war *cough*

 

[coolguy684]

To say nothing of the fact that the Iranian Islamic Revolution itself is a direct result of USA's aggressive Cold War policies,namely the propping up of the ruthless Shah of Iran in a 1953 CIA coup through the removal of a democratically elected Prime Minister,Mohammad Mossadegh.

Iran's current theocracy is a blowback to the US's propping up of an oppressive regime.Google SAVAK to get an idea of just how "grateful" the Iranians should be at the prospect of another US coup in Iran.

Coolguy,if you want a platform where to parrot Bush's inane neocon rethoric I suggest you look for it somewhere else.

You know what they say.One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...*cough* Afghan-Soviet war *cough*

yea ur probly rite. george washington, who is considered amerca's greatest hero ever, was probly considered a terrorist/violent rebel by many of the UK's population.and its amazing how fast opinions on islamic fighters can change in 20ish short years. before, we gave them stinger missles to shoot down aircraft. now, we happen to be shooting missles against them! :wacko: yea, as for SS doctors, mengele ring any bells? i relize that he doesnt represent the entire SS medical department, but i think u mean the Waffen-SS doctors who were simply medics on the frontline, just like any US, UK, or Frence army medic.
also, neocons believe religion is a tool to control the ppl's morals. REAL conservatives truly believe in the religion of their choosing. i just wanted to clear that up, seeing as many ppl randomly spout nonsence about neocons and not knowing that neocons and 'normal' conservatives r different. I AM NOT A NEOCON.

 

[unmerged(37697)]

Can you add the new Queen Elizabeth-class supercarrier for the UK, if it isn't already in, please?

 

[unmerged(55468)]

it's already in

 

[Small]

can some one tell me why my game flashes balck at times during game play

and if the never end pach works for normal HOI2

all so is ther a event in the game wich will alow the rusia to try and reform the Ussr (war with all brake of contrys from russia)

other wise this is one of the best mods i have played
good work

 

[unmerged(51521)]

the m1a1 tank is still among the best in the world, right up there with the leopard, leclerc, challenger, and merkava tanks. russian t-90's, which r the eastern world's most advanced(widely produced) tank, cant compete with the m1a1 in quality or quanitity

OK, sorry but been away for a few days. Actually if you re-read what I said "strangly the most advanced Subs, non-stealth aircraft, heli's and tanks and hand-held weapons are in the hands of the Russians (in small numbers) or the Europeans" I said that the Russians had more advanced weapons in small numbers... my point was not that they could compete with the m1 in quantity but that they have better technology in the small numbers they do have.

And anyway, the tanks were one of the things that I put the most advanced as being European personally... either the newest Leopard or Challenger (currently has the record for the longest range tank to tank kill, has CHOBHAM armour, and at least one has been proven to survive a continued attack by the Iraqi army when it was stopped (over 3 hours under continued attack by anti-tank rockets and machine guns, its sights had been destroyed so the crew were unable to fight back but when it was finally pulled free of the blockage it was shown to be in running condition needing just new sights and minor repairs)).

 

[coolguy684]

im just curious, were those anti tank iraqi weapons the rpg-7? cause that weapon would let the standard russian/arab/eastern infantryman bust tanks, much like the german volksturm, only the rpg is longer ranged.
arent the m1a2's targeting systems more advanced?
also, i accept the t90 is superior to the m1a1, but not to the new models of the m1a2. the t95 will probly be equal/slight better to the latest m1a2, but the black eagle prototype will truly be a monster.(something like the tiger tank. :wacko: )

and maybe its not so good that russia is straying away from its long history of quality over quantity.(its worked before) the quality thing didnt work too well for the third reich.
EDIT: i have modded my earlier post. it now says ahmedinejad is a "belligerent", fair enough? so now, could someoen answer my question regarding obama, McCain, and clinton?
r u guys gonna use the election event dontributed by the ppl on the mds forum?(like the ROC and US election events.i refuse to have Chen Shui-bian for the whole game! i wanna have a Kuomintang president! )

 

[Radu]

im just curious, were those anti tank iraqi weapons the rpg-7? cause that weapon would let the standard russian/arab/eastern infantryman bust tanks, much like the german volksturm, only the rpg is longer ranged.
arent the m1a2's targeting systems more advanced?
also, i accept the t90 is superior to the m1a1, but not to the new models of the m1a2. the t95 will probly be equal/slight better to the latest m1a2, but the black eagle prototype will truly be a monster.(something like the tiger tank. :wacko: )

and maybe its not so good that russia is straying away from its long history of quality over quantity.(its worked before) the quality thing didnt work too well for the third reich.
EDIT: i have modded my earlier post. it now says ahmedinejad is a "belligerent", fair enough? so now, could someoen answer my question regarding obama, McCain, and clinton?
r u guys gonna use the election event dontributed by the ppl on the mds forum?(like the ROC and US election events.i refuse to have Chen Shui-bian for the whole game! i wanna have a Kuomintang president! )

1) Technically it's not RPGs/LAWs that are supposed to take out tanks in an open battlefield,but ATGMs like that Javelin/Milan/Spike/AT-series. That the Iraqi army lacked proper ATGMs like the AT-4/5 goes a lot to show just how much of a paper tiger the Iraqi army was.

2) About the T-90 vs M1A2 SEP. I'm not so sure. For one, the M1A2s superior targeting really dashes ahead of the T-90s fire control at distances over 3 maybe 4 kilometers.That's actually a bit too far to pop either MBTs frontal armor even with the best 120mm ammunition and it's also a bit of an extreme range as well even by today's standards.

For vehicles with modern armor like today,engagement ranges need to be around 1.5 kilometers (ish) for a guaranteed frontal kill with proper 120mm SABOT ammo, a distance at which the T-90 and M1A2 are evenly matched vis a vis their fire control suite. Also, the M1s strength is no so much what is on the tank as top notch command and control, an area where the Russians are seriously lagging behind as of 2003.

3) About the election events,they will definitely be used. Maybe not exactly the way they are but they will be used.I think some of them go overboard,the US has an incredibly detailed election chain,where you can even have Ron Paul as president.

Only problem is,Ron Paul's "unentanglement" foreign agenda is incompatible with our storyline if you know what I mean.

 

[coolguy684]

1) Technically it's not RPGs/LAWs that are supposed to take out tanks in an open battlefield,but ATGMs like that Javelin/Milan/Spike/AT-series. That the Iraqi army lacked proper ATGMs like the AT-4/5 goes a lot to show just how much of a paper tiger the Iraqi army was.

2) About the T-90 vs M1A2 SEP. I'm not so sure. For one, the M1A2s superior targeting really dashes ahead of the T-90s fire control at distances over 3 maybe 4 kilometers.That's actually a bit too far to pop either MBTs frontal armor even with the best 120mm ammunition and it's also a bit of an extreme range as well even by today's standards.

For vehicles with modern armor like today,engagement ranges need to be around 1.5 kilometers (ish) for a guaranteed frontal kill with proper 120mm SABOT ammo, a distance at which the T-90 and M1A2 are evenly matched vis a vis their fire control suite. Also, the M1s strength is no so much what is on the tank as top notch command and control, an area where the Russians are seriously lagging behind as of 2003.

3) About the election events,they will definitely be used. Maybe not exactly the way they are but they will be used.I think some of them go overboard,the US has an incredibly detailed election chain,where you can even have Ron Paul as president.

Only problem is,Ron Paul's "unentanglement" foreign agenda is incompatible with our storyline if you know what I mean.

but dont u think that both hillary and obama wouldnt be willing to use force on iran ? cause isnt that a major part of the storyline? i know that they say they will but im think those r empty words.

 

[Radu]

I wouldn't be so sure.

Hillary had been repeatedly accused of trying to out-hawk the republicans.

Obama is not exonerated,IMO, because of his unambiguous "friend of Israel" stance. He has repeatedly told the Israeli lobbyists what they wanted to hear.Although Obama's discourse is centered on change...erm,it's still only talk.

Not wanting to draw a parallel,necessarily, with Bush,but Bush's campaign platform had been smth along the lines of "humble foreign policy" and "no nation building" . Which is weird given that all of the nastiness that existed post 9/11 had existed for years pre 9/11 as well...

Still,we have ways of working around this and make the storyline happen. Not telling yet tho

 

[Micah Goodman 2]

So when are you guys going to make an Arma version?

 

[unmerged(100199)]

The thing is that we have almost re-done all texts, models and tech tree + events, so any 1.5 typos fixed probably won't help. You can help us with this later at the beta-testing stage.

Sorry for the late reply but I wasn't home this week.

1. Dang! lol I've rewritten all tech trees and some events already... nevermind.. I can still use them
2. About the beta... bring it on! I'm in, just send me the stuff to correct.

 

[unmerged(30953)]

So when are you guys going to make an Arma version?

1.6 is the last version for Doomsday and will be released around Christmas. After that we will begin work on moving the mod to Arma, so it's too soon to speak of any release dates.