Modern Day Scenario II v1.5 - Available for download

[Radu]

Well, at least I'll have something to do, anyway. But I really don't think i'ts realistic if you can't manually DoW without being dogpiled and nuked by every power in the world. I mean, if that happened in real life, we would all be in a nuclear war by now because of recent events in Georgia. Realistically, if Russia invaded Estonia, it defenately wouldn't spell WW3 either.

No,we wouldn't be in a nuclear war over Ossetia not matter what. Estonia however is part of NATO,Georgia isn't.

Plus,Russia didn't just suddenly invade either. That conflict had been going around for a long time,one of the "frozen" conflicts in the region.Also,if anybody started anything it was Georgia that started using heavy artillery on South Ossetia first. Since Russia regards Ossetians,North and South,as Russians and since Ossetians themselves desire to be part of Russia,it only makes sense for Russia to intervene.

I mean if the US says it's ok to intervene in Kosovo,a place where it had NO business whatsoever, it goes doubly so for Russia to intervene in a region whose populance (Ossetians do have a right to self-determination,no?If mean if Kosovo did...) practically begged Russia for help.

So the reason we aren't in a nuclear war is because there isn't a reason to fight it over.Georgia got cocky,the West isn't going to commit suicide over some nation in the Caucasus that thought it would be a good idea to Blitz the Bear.

 

[Prinz Wilhelm]

Abhkazia and South Ossetia are legally a part of Georgia and Georgia wants it to stay that way. Let's give US passports to Georgia and everything will be all right.

(Which basically means, this discussion should not be held here.)

 

[makif130289]

in 1.5 a lot of countries have 10000 km ranged ICBM technology although there are very limited countries which have ICBM's in reality.for example, Turkey begin the game with 10000 km ICBM technology, while Turkey just have 270 km ranged toros missiles in reality.even iran which concentrates its resources intensively on missile technology, couldn't produce 10000 km ranged ICBM's so far.

will this situation be fixed in 1.6?

 

[cloneof]

Oh man, totally reminds of my own "EU civil war scenario", in wich I as Germany nuked Paris.

Best 1.5 game so far.

 

[unmerged(38037)]

No,we wouldn't be in a nuclear war over Ossetia not matter what. Estonia however is part of NATO,Georgia isn't.

Plus,Russia didn't just suddenly invade either. That conflict had been going around for a long time,one of the "frozen" conflicts in the region.Also,if anybody started anything it was Georgia that started using heavy artillery on South Ossetia first. Since Russia regards Ossetians,North and South,as Russians and since Ossetians themselves desire to be part of Russia,it only makes sense for Russia to intervene.

I mean if the US says it's ok to intervene in Kosovo,a place where it had NO business whatsoever, it goes doubly so for Russia to intervene in a region whose populance (Ossetians do have a right to self-determination,no?If mean if Kosovo did...) practically begged Russia for help.

So the reason we aren't in a nuclear war is because there isn't a reason to fight it over.Georgia got cocky,the West isn't going to commit suicide over some nation in the Caucasus that thought it would be a good idea to Blitz the Bear.

I agree there wouldn't be a nuclear war but your statement on Kosovo is misleading to say the least.

There was a general consensus among the international community (note I said general) that genocide was occurring in Kosovo so NATO had pretext to intervene. While in Georgia what is happening is nothing more than a civil war (ie like when the South tried to secede from the Union). Legally Russia had no reason by the international community to go into Georgia because there was no genocide. It was an internal struggle.

The best way to put is like this. If one thinks the US and the West has NO reason to intervene in Chechnya then why does Russia have reason to intervene in South Ossetia? And note that in Chechnya one can argue that genocide is happening more so than in South Ossetia. Russians just trying to have it both ways in the Caucus.

 

[Biges]

That is exacly why we have a preinstaller and a installer. If you just unpack it into the DD-folder, things get messed up like that. If you are going to unpack, you have to rename/delete a good portion of the folders first. I would regard that as more complicated.

The problem is that I don't have the registry entries for HoI2, I re-installed Windows and the game just works. And I even don't know where the game CD is

 

[unmerged(51521)]

I agree there wouldn't be a nuclear war but your statement on Kosovo is misleading to say the least.

There was a general consensus among the international community (note I said general) that XXXX(EDIT NOT MENTIONED BY ME) was occurring in Kosovo so NATO had pretext to intervene. While in Georgia what is happening is nothing more than a civil war (ie like when the South tried to secede from the Union). Legally Russia had no reason by the international community to go into Georgia because there was no XXXX (EDIT NOT MENTIONED BY ME). It was an internal struggle.

The best way to put is like this. If one thinks the US and the West has NO reason to intervene in Chechnya then why does Russia have reason to intervene in South Ossetia? And note that in Chechnya one can argue that XXXX (EDIT CHANGED BY ME) is happening more so than in South Ossetia. Russians just trying to have it both ways in the Caucus.

Isn't this now getting a bit off topic? Just for your info though, Russia has been in Georgia under a treaty as peacekeepers since 1990's when there was an internationally agreed.... erm.... something that i'm not sure we're meant to mention on here so I'll stop now. The current thing has come from this. Chechneya's elected government is no longer seeking independence but rather autonomy within the Russian Federation.

Will the mod allow for these peacekeepers (maybe through military access?) and will it allow for independence?

PS) Yes I edited the quote as I don't want to fall foul of the rules.

 

[unmerged(91761)]

Is the new russian intervention in Georgia gonna be in the next version

 

[coolguy684]

I think I agree with you here.... this mod is going OTT in the name of realism while not actually being realistic. The main storyline is unrealistic so why is everything else meant to be realistic. Also, the recent conflict in Ossetia proves that nations can fight without widespread wars developing.... and finally the USA isn't able to beat every nation in the world with its armed forces no matter what they say (strangly the most advanced Subs, non-stealth aircraft, heli's and tanks and hand-held weapons are in the hands of the Russians (in small numbers) or the Europeans).

the m1a1 tank is still among the best in the world, right up there with the leopard, leclerc, challenger, and merkava tanks. russian t-90's, which r the eastern world's most advanced(widely produced) tank, cant compete with the m1a1 in quality or quanitity.(the usa has so far produced approximately 14000 m1a1's) the typhoon sub is the exception, but the us has enough nimitz class carriers to smash the eastern and russians navies within a week. the us navy is good enough to take on the rest of the world's navies combined and still win. also the difference btwn the t-90 is like the differnce btwn the tiger tank and the sherman tank. (except that there have benn 14000 m1a1's built. also, the difference btwn the usa navy and the shanghai pact navy is like the IJN and the Italian Navy during WW2,lots of outdated eastern ships)

 

[Prinz Wilhelm]

Is the new russian intervention in Georgia gonna be in the next version

Yes, I am quite sure it will be.

 

[Radu]

Coolguy,I think you meant the M1 and the T-72.

The T-80 is already comparable to the Abrams and the T-90 is on par with the M1A2 SEP.

 

[unmerged(112631)]

I have problem, I have all governments ok, except russian. in editor there is Putin and other guys, they have status "in cabinet" but i have some other guys ingame, after deleting all others ministers except those which i want to have, i have unknown people. anyone know what's going on?

sorry for english

 

[unmerged(85800)]

it might depend on what ideology they have.

 

[coolguy684]

Coolguy,I think you meant the M1 and the T-72.

The T-80 is already comparable to the Abrams and the T-90 is on par with the M1A2 SEP.

http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=300017512&tstart=0&start=-1
m1a1 and m1a2 r models of the m1 Abrams tank.
the m1 abrams is abour 20 tonnes heavier than the t-90
the t-90's cannon is only 5mm bigger than the m1 abrams and the abrams has 6 more hp per ton.
there hav been about 750 t-90's built in 13 yrs('95-08)
thats about 57 a year.
there hav been 14000 US made abrams's , plus about 1500 others in foreign possesion in 29 yrs.
thats about 450 abrams's a yr. so there, the t-90 doesnt overtake the m1abrams in quality, current numbers, or producibility.
(but srry, i did mix up the t72 and the t90, the m1abrams isnt VASTLY superior than the t90, but is SOMEWHAT superior.)
EDIT:the m1abrams is 20 tonnes heavier, yet is 2 mph faster.

 

[Killerrabbit]

The T-90 is one, if not the, most advanced tank in the world. Only the very latest of Abrams would be comparable. And remember that a Armored Division or Brigade does not only consist of tanks.

Russian millitary technology was superior to the US in a number of fields when the Soviet Union fell. While it has lost it's lead in many places, Russian torpedoes and the S-400 anti air system would be superior.

 

[coolguy684]

The T-90 is one, if not the, most advanced tank in the world. Only the very latest of Abrams would be comparable. And remember that a Armored Division or Brigade does not only consist of tanks.

Russian millitary technology was superior to the US in a number of fields when the Soviet Union fell. While it has lost it's lead in many places, Russian torpedoes and the S-400 anti air system would be superior.

http://military.discovery.com/convergence/topten/tanks/sildeshow/slideshow_09.html
the t90 isnt even on that list, while the m1abrams is the best mbt on the list.
im pretty sure that military channel knows more about tanks than you or I.

 

[unmerged(64229)]

How would I install this without the prestaller working?

 

[coolguy684]

also, i know that a tank div or brigade isnt just tanks. i found that out from the book SS-Hitler's Instrument of Terror in it was the order of battle of a typical SS panzer div, and i assume most tank divs r at least vaguely similar to an SS panzer division, tho obviously an SS pzr div like the leibstandarte, totenkopf, das reich, or wiking is superior to something like a soviet t-34 division.(tigers and pzr 5's)

 

[Killerrabbit]

http://military.discovery.com/convergence/topten/tanks/sildeshow/slideshow_09.html
the t90 isnt even on that list, while the m1abrams is the best mbt on the list.
im pretty sure that military channel knows more about tanks than you or I.

So an American TV-study placed the M1A2 on second place. What a suprise...

Seriously though, they list the T-34 as number one. Would the T-34 be better and more advanced? Such a ranking as the History Channel has made is of no worth other than nostalgia and for fun.

The T-90 is of newer design, and has a lot of features far ahead of the M1. It's not better in every aspect, but in general, better. I can't say if it is the best tank in the world, that may be the Challenger 2, etc. Besides, plain tank-to-tank comparisons are rather silly, as they never go head to head on a one to one basis.

 

[coolguy684]

So an American TV-study placed the M1A2 on second place. What a suprise...

Seriously though, they list the T-34 as number one. Would the T-34 be better and more advanced? Such a ranking as the History Channel has made is of no worth other than nostalgia and for fun.

The T-90 is of newer design, and has a lot of features far ahead of the M1. It's not better in every aspect, but in general, better. I can't say if it is the best tank in the world, that may be the Challenger 2, etc. Besides, plain tank-to-tank comparisons are rather silly, as they never go head to head on a one to one basis.

i meant the m1abrams model as a whole, including the m1a2. also, they were talking about the best tanks of all time, in comparison to tanks of THEIR paticular periods. theres a BIG differencebtwn comparing the tiger and the t34 and comparing modrn mbt's
lets end the arguement now, its not really getting anywhere.(i concede to you :rofl: afterall, u made the mds mod. ) and ur rite, u cant really compare simply tank to tank, im sure that the usa will try to minimize US tank casualties by utilizing stratofortresses, apaches, black hawks, strykers, and a-10's.
EDIT:they were basing tanks on producibilty, mobility, defence, firepowr, and fear factor, and length of use. the t34 got MAX for producibility, high mobility, somewhat high firepower, okay fearfactor, and good defence. it was considered the best all around ww2 tank.(tiger was 3rd, had max defence, max firepower, max fear, low/avg mobility, and no length of use and almost no producibilty