Modern Day Scenario for HoI

[arkham618]

Originally posted by OverlordIV
So...The same as in HOI. Okay.
Democracy wil be headed by U.S.
Communisim will be headed by china
Fascism will be headed by... name ONE state powerful enough to be leader of this... and lets be productive. No France...or germany...or Iraq... to save time i'm going to anserwer my own question. Theres none. SO there can be no "Alliance" of fascits. Perhaps certain fascist countries aern't part of a tradtional "Alliance" but still gain ponits for the fascit cause?

Russia could easily turn fascist and renew hostilities with its neighbors (both in Europe and Asia). A fascist Russia would have Belarus on its side (the country is essentially an outgrowth of Russia already). Kazakhstan is politically dominated by ethnic Russians (who have been persecuting the slim Kazakh majority since independence), and Ukraine could probably be bullied into rejoining a Russian-led federation. A fascist Greater Russia would likely seek to reconquer the remaining Central Asian republics and possibly the Caucasus as well. From there, it could turn on Europe, China, or the U.S. (in the Middle East perhaps?), depending on how quiescent those powers remain to Russian militarism.

 

[unmerged(15893)]

Fun over realism?

I don't think having America as a fascist state would make it more fun. Also, why fun over realism, when you could have both? My idea allowed there to be a certain level of realism, and a nice level of fun. Also, you are right, the Ex-Soviet nations ARE joining the EU, that is the EXACT reason why Russia would not join, that was the point I was making. Russia dislikes the fact that the Ex-Sov nations aren't part of Russia anymore (For Ex, All the probs with Georgia going on today), and if those nations are in the EU, Russia would never join an alliance that also has it's enemies (yes, enemies) in it.

 

[Galleblære]

Why is it so scary to have a fascist or at least dictatorship US? It is just a game, and such a thought has a lot of potential game value. Tsk tsk. It is so much safer and political correct to label China, Russia, Europe etc fascist.

Oh, and MartyWolf, enough with the Russifobia, okay? Times change, people change. For the first time in history, Russia has a more stable and sensible leader than the US!

 

[unmerged(15893)]

Originally posted by OverlordIV
lol... Look i hate America as much

Wow, you sound really patriotic (if you live in America). Who ever said anybody else hated America, and I don't understand this "as much as the next person" crap. Just because you hate America (by any chance do you live here?), doesn't mean everybody else does. I think saying that was a stupid, ignorant, and foolish thing to say.

 

[unmerged(15893)]

Originally posted by Galleblære
Why is it so scary to have a fascist or at least dictatorship US? It is just a game, and such a thought has a lot of potential game value. Tsk tsk. It is so much safer and political correct to label China, Russia, Europe etc fascist.
Oh, and MartyWolf, enough with the Russifobia, okay? Times change, people change. For the first time in history, Russia has a more stable and sensible leader than the US!

Russiafobia? Ha. I have absolutely no problem with Russia, and I definetely have no problem Russian people (3 Russian friends, and a Russian bandmate). But, i would have to disagree with you on one thing, I don't believe that Vladimir Putin is very stable, unless you consider helping out a sadistic nation like Iraq is stable. Oh, and I never labled Russia or Europe fascist, actually I said quite the contrary, I stated that a Fascist EU is just as unrealistic as a fascist U.S.

 

[Galleblære]

My point was that you seem very close-minded in regards to creating a FUN game, where any nation or union can be fascist except the US. A fascist US has been explored in a lot of (science) fiction.

And let us not get started with Iraq, okay? You know just as well as I do that the US have stained hands as well there. (Arming Iraq etc) Not to mention the other "sadistic nations" the US has sided with.

 

[unmerged(15893)]

Originally posted by Galleblære
My point was that you seem very close-minded in regards to creating a FUN game, where any nation or union can be fascist except the US. A fascist US has been explored in a lot of (science) fiction.
And let us not get started with Iraq, okay? You know just as well as I do that the US have stained hands as well there. (Arming Iraq etc) Not to mention the other "sadistic nations" the US has sided with.

Close-minded in wanting fun? Is that possible? Of course I want it to be fun! Just thst, my definition of fun might be different than yours. And, I do agree, America has previously armed Iraq (I also believe America was wrong in doing that). And about the "other sadistic" countries we armed, please help me understand, because I don't exactly know what you're getting at.. Can you name another?

 

[unmerged(15855)]

Originally posted by MartyWolf
Wow, you sound really patriotic (if you live in America). Who ever said anybody else hated America, and I don't understand this "as much as the next person" crap. Just because you hate America (by any chance do you live here?), doesn't mean everybody else does. I think saying that was a stupid, ignorant, and foolish thing to say.

I see... SO you don't want to help me take over the world...Fine...texans...yesshh...
i'm...joking..he..yeah...hmmm...I joke too much i guess... I guess i won't joke anymore...squares...(joke). I'll became really serious so you all fear me.

Anyway... bukes map is great but take a look at his list of nations in it above and say what you want to have him put in. He has very few african nations.

 

[unmerged(15893)]

sorry.....

Originally posted by OverlordIV
I see... SO you don't want to help me take over the world...Fine...texans...yesshh...
i'm...joking..he..yeah...hmmm...I joke too much i guess... I guess i won't joke anymore...squares...(joke). I'll became really serious so you all fear me.
Anyway... bukes map is great but take a look at his list of nations in it above and say what you want to have him put in. He has very few african nations.

I'm sorry if I was a little hard on ya, it was just a burst of energy. I think we should all find an idea that would incorporate all of our ideas. Once again sorry. If you still want me to help (I understand if you don't) I would be happy to help

 

[unmerged(15893)]

Hmm, it does seem that he has too little African nations, but i'm not sure if it is worth taking out the other nations to add in the missing African nations. Also, maybe we should add in a few nations that you cannot choose at the start, but are added into the game by various revolts (maybe a revived South Vietnam, etc.)

 

[Missi]

We have one point where we have the same opinion.
We must have an alliance lead by EU/USA/China(or an another "bad country" )
After, I do think, if the Europe is "one country" a Europe with France+Germany+Benelux+(perhaps)Italie is more realistic, because it's the first Europe, the hard core.
After I don't think that an alliance with China, Iran, etc... is realistic. China and Iran (for example) are completely diferrent.
An alliance China, North Korea, Mongolia and perhaps Pakistan (Pakistan and China hate India) is more realistic.
The Russia can be neutral and choose a alliance after (EU or China, and why not EU (Bush likes Poutine).

 

[Galleblære]

Well, we could make the EU just one country. This would free up a LOT of tags for use elsewhere. Remember the trobule the engine has at coordinating attacks with it's allies. (Thinking of the Commonwealth in HoI)

So China, EU and US should be the triangle, with whatever alliance members they may have.

 

[unmerged(15893)]

Originally posted by Galleblære
Well, we could make the EU just one country. This would free up a LOT of tags for use elsewhere. Remember the trobule the engine has at coordinating attacks with it's allies. (Thinking of the Commonwealth in HoI)

EU as one country? EU as one country is a little extreme, but maybe we could fuse one or two of the countries together (for example, a united Germany and France). And I disagree with Italy being in th EU alliance, because Italy is a relatively strong ally with the U.S. It would be smart for the EU to start off neutral, then slowly be dragged into the war with the BotW. Then, the EU and the CotW would lose diplomatic relations, and one would attack the other, and then possible total war.

 

[Missi]

Yes, but is only the government of Italy who is a strong ally of USA. If the Italy has a Left Government, the situation can be very different because the italian people is today not pro-american but rather pro-european...it can be an event
But after if the EU is one country Benelux+Germany+France+(perhaps)Italy is the more...
After, you are right MartyWolf, the EU begin neutral and attack CotW or BotW after(events )

 

[Buke]

I’m BACK!

I have a question for you all.
What would you prefer historic borders but some provinces of nations we can't fit in being left blank or all provinces used but some weird borders?

I kind of like having Russia as neutral. China can lure them into their plans or strike them.
We can have various events to mix up the games ex: some games Russia will be with china sometimes it wont.

Hey Martywolf if by saying your at VMI do you mean Virginia military institute?

 

[Galleblære]

Again Marty, this is supposed to be set in the FUTURE! And don't believe whatever the media over there tells you. Not a single european country has a majority supporting the US. Do you really think governments that would continue such a course over a long time would stay in power? Of course not.

The reason for making a joint EU are numerous:

-Easier for the game to coordinate and organize attacks
-EU will not fall behind tech wise. If it is split up, a lot of countries will research the same techs. And if we specify what techs each contry should research, what happens if one of the allied countries is annexed? The EU will miss out on certain techs.
-To reflect the growing unity in Europe. Yes, that is true, despite whatever the american media are writing.



I again suggest using a triangle of US, EU and China:

-US: The US has always been the "good guy" in computer games. Would it not be interesting, for once to make it a more darker, expansionist semi-dictatorship empire?
-EU: A growing EU, that has surpassed the US economically, but that does not yet have the military muscle or tech that the US has. Is slowly trying to stagnate the expanding US diplomatically, but may be pulled into a war.
-China: Expanding in Asia, absorbing neighbouring countries and threatening Japan, and thus american interests.

*World War III*
-Could trigger with the war between China and the US. The EU could then possibly side with whatever side it sees fit, or somehow get into a war with both.

-Other powerful nations that can affect the outcome, and that the three powers probably will seek into their alliance would be, as before, Russia, India, some African Union, some South American country.

 

[unmerged(12761)]

I think that EU never will unite. And US going bad would never ever happen. And WW3 could start in China, North Korea, mid-East or Kashmir. Just my thoughts, though.

 

[unmerged(15893)]

Virginia Military Institute

Yep, I am a "cadet" at VMI (Virginia Military Institute). I do not think having America as a "dark" dictatorship is a good idea. I believe we can have a triangle war and still keep the U.S. the way they really are, a democracy. I do understand that most europeans aren't pro-american, but they are BY FAR not pro-european. Also, I still believe that my scenario was a great idea. Just to resummarize, my idea was to have the CotW (coalition), BotW (beligerants), and the EU. My idea was to slowly drag the EU into the war by first the EU getting attacked by a terrorist assualt, and then the EU would declare war on the BotW. Then, after, dip-relations between the CotW and EU would brake-down, resulting in a immediate war. I do not understand your "fetish" with turning America into a fascist state, I do not think it would make the scenario any more interesting. America has been the "good guy" in games, because if you look back on history, the U.S. has done many horrible things, but the U.S. has also always done good things, and has always been a great ally to Europe, and a great ally to many asian countries too in the past half-century. A neutral Russia is a good idea.

 

[Galleblære]

Christ, if you are gonna turn this into name calling, I am getting out of this discussion. I have no time to discuss things with immature kids.

My "fetish" is just my IDEA. A SUGGESTION. I suggested a simple, fun, probably highly unhistorical non-nuclear massive WWIII between the US, EU and China, with other potential powers. Nothing more. In my oppinion, would that work much better for the HoI engine, than lots of events handeling terrorist attacks, and the US and EU going to war against the "axis of evil", consisting of just a few poor states. Overkill.

You have your idea. I respect that. I just dislike how you have to bash and poke at every argument I make in an attempt to win some sort of support for your idea. Can't we have a civilized discussion here?

 

[Galleblære]

Merlin, what do you mean that the EU will not unite? It alredy is! Maybe you should travel around Europe a bit more. At least for me, I feel a "united europe" when travelling around, at least with the young and educated (The future). To believe that the unification that has been going on since WWII would suddenly halt would be very strange indeed!