Modern Day Events Thread

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Originally posted by Lunar
You're acting like this is an unreasonable suggestion.

At this point, it very much is an unreasonable suggestion, to be honest. We barely have a plot that everybody agrees on, I think right now how the war between India and China starts is very unimportant. But, since you believe that there should be a more "complex" reason for a war between China and India, I guess I'll leave that up to you to make one

EDIT: Well, you can read my suggestion in the Plot thread, if you care to.

 

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Originally posted by MartyWolf
Yes, I feel strongly that there should be U.N. events, with the UN showing irrational support towards the CTF and against the CotW, and then a formal break-up of the UN and a break-up of NATO.

This response makes me think. What is the CTFs role? You say its a military alliance but what is it in response to. How will it form? I must say If its something similar to an anti US Europe of today then I have to stress that France and not Germany should lead it.

Before you shout me down listen to why. France is the leader of Anti US feeling in Europe and we all agree that France has far more diplomatic pull in today’s EU and the world than Germany does. This is why I think they should lead, I just don't think Germany has the will or the diplomatic pull to forge such an alliance. France sees itself as the new leaders of Europe and I don’t think they would play second fiddle to anyone.

As for what I said earlier I know its fun to think of the French army as crap but it is a superior fighting force to the Germans today. Germany does have a larger population but France has a population that would support war abroad far more that Germanys population. Remember Germany had to rewrite the constitution just to send troops on peacekeeping missions. Germany does have a slightly larger army but its being reduced in all future plans and while both nations still use conscripts they are being phased out and France has a longer use of professional soldiers than does the German Army. Finally German GDP is more than Frances but France has a much larger defense industry than does Germany and they put more money into it than does the German government.

All this is to show that France has just as affective military and war making potential as does Germany, certainly more in wars outside of Europe.

Now the question returns if the CTF will form do to direct threat from say the Russian civil war and Chinese intervention in that conflict then sure Germany should be the leader. However if it forms in opposition to the COTW and if it is a natural outgrowth of today’s EU then Political pull will be needed to forge such an alliance and in this aria France would be the natural leader. Just think of today’s EU as an example, France has far more pull in EU affairs than it should simply because it is so willing to throw what weight it does have around and because of that it has taken a commanding position.

 

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To me the CFT seems like more than a military alliance, otherwise the European nations could simply join the COTW when they get into the war. It seems to me like it’s a alliance that works in opposition to the COTW, they just happen to be fighting a common foe, and I just don’t think the Germans would build such an alliance. This does not seem to be a case where production capacity means everything. War is just an extension of politics and in this case I think France has a better claim to the CFT leadership. Am I wrong? Is the CFT something else? Please respond.

 

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Originally posted by Buke
This response makes me think. What is the CTFs role? You say its a military alliance but what is it in response to. How will it form? I must say If its something similar to an anti US Europe of today then I have to stress that France and not Germany should lead it.

It's exactly like the new military alliance France + Germant + Benelux actually made about 5 months ago. If they felt a need to make one in reality, then they could surely make a more powerful one in the mod.

 

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Originally posted by Buke

As for what I said earlier I know its fun to think of the French army as crap but it is a superior fighting force to the Germans today.

This is not true. Germany has more troops, more unitery, and more money, therefore; The better military.

 

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Originally posted by Buke
Please respond.

The CTF is like the Military Alliance Germany actually created in reality, the one between Benelux + France + Germany. It's purpose is to have as many nations as the CotW, and to be as powerful. They want a strong, common european military alliance.

 

[Buke]

Can you provide more information or web links about this alliance I would like to find out more information but all I can find is those nations forming a rapid reaction force. Is that it?

Also will the CTFs role be an anti US alliance? Can you respond to the political reasons why France is in a stronger position I posted ? Thats what got me thinking.
Please tell me Germany is leading this new European alliance for reasons other than its army is strong.

I'm just trying to get a better idea of the CTFs role in the game cause I keep thinking its an Anti American alliance and I have a hard time seeing Germany as the leading nation in that role.

 

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Actually neither germany nor france could become leaders as no german citizen could live under french leadership and the same is true the other way around. The only way of solving this would be to have a ruling council consisting of members of both nations. An example is the european parliament. If you used this however you would have to include italy and austria in your france & benelux & germany allaince to have majority. the distribution of seats in the parliament can be viewed on this page although it doesn't contain the new countries that will be included by 2004

http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN&iorig=home

 

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Here are some regional wars and fictive events that could add some spice to some off the lower profile areas, I'm sorry if you have already posted some of these and I must have missed some of them :
Military coup in argentina and chile
(not totally unthinkable as it has happened before and as these nations are in economic crisis, and maybe aided by US just like last time)
Reinvasion of the falklands
(only propable after the military coup)
Commie coup in peru, bolivia, venezuela, ecuador and colombia
(Not overly propable but all these nations have marxist guerilla factions)
Pan South American war
(Commie nations incl cuba go to china for help, Brazil and colonies go to CTF and argentina & chile go to US)
Apartheid take over in south africa
(not very realistic but would be very chaotic)
Libya attack on Tunesia and maybe malta
(Again maybe not very realistic but nobody really knows what gadaffi wants)
Outbreak of Sri Lanka war
(This may may cause a greater war between india and it's buddhist neighbours)
A congo war gone pan african
(5 or 6 nations are already backing geurillas in congo so why not, and besides this would be great fun as the different african nations would go to each alliance for help)
Quebec gets independance and joins france
(Quite realistic and would create mayhem if CTF and US were having bad relations)
A new armenia vs azerbadjan war
(very realistic but perhaps not that interesting)
Border clashes between japan and russia over the kuril islands
(Maybe the both still claim the islands)
Maoist takeover in nepal
(Realistic and would add to chinas strength being a puppet)
Tibet freedom war backed by US or India
(Maybe not realistic but great fun)
Burmese invasion of thailand and malaysia
(nobody really knows what is going on in burma)
Moslem radicalist takeovers in algeria and filipines
(But places has moslem guerilla factions)
Algeria attacks marocco
(After moslem takeover this could happen due to marocco's democracy)

 

[Buke]

Originally posted by Corvuz_Crovax
Actually neither germany nor france could become leaders as no german citizen could live under french leadership and the same is true the other way around. The only way of solving this would be to have a ruling council consisting of members of both nations. An example is the european parliament. If you used this however you would have to include italy and austria in your france & benelux & germany allaince to have majority. the distribution of seats in the parliament can be viewed on this page although it doesn't contain the new countries that will be included by 2004

http://wwwdb.europarl.eu.int/ep5/owa/p_meps2.repartition?ilg=EN&iorig=home

You know your right. It doesn't mater who leads the CTF as they will all be equal members with plenty of say in what’s going on. I withdraw my earlier comments France or Germany it doesn’t matter.

Maybe that could be worked into events where France, Germany, Italy, Spain and whoever would have to agree on joining any war of aggression before the CTF will act.

 

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Originally posted by Buke


I'm just trying to get a better idea of the CTFs role in the game cause I keep thinking its an Anti American alliance and I have a hard time seeing Germany as the leading nation in that role.

It's not a Anti-U.S. alliance, it's like the one Germany really formed; A tactical military alliance, nothing Anti-U.S. at all.

 

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Chinese Dissent Events

Name: Dissenters
Requirements: Dissent over 30 under 65, Random 10,
NOT one time only

A large protest has sparked up in one of the major cities. Squashing the protest would help quell such thoughts, but would also strengthen the anti-oppression stances of opposing governments. In contrast, allowing the protest would weaken the stance.

Option A: Squash the Protest
Effects: - 10 dissent for CHC

Name: Revolution!
Dissent over 65, random 5

Protesters had taken control of Shanghai, Hong Kong, and most of the major cities. Bejiing was the only significant city that remained under the military's control. When order arrived for the soldiers to open fire on the protesters, the soldiers refused. Thus the regime falls.

Option A: Revolution!
Effects: -70 dissent for CHC, Democratic Cabinet

Name: Chinese Dissenters Squashed (ENG)
Requirements: Dissenters event for China
NOT one time only

A large protest in China has sparked up in one of the major cities. The government decided to squash the protest, strengthening the anti-oppression cause.

Option A: Fight the Oppression!
Effects: - 5 dissent

Name: Chinese Dissenters Allowed (ENG)
Requirements: Dissenters event for China
NOT one time only

A large protest in China has sparked up in one of the major cities. The government decided to allow the protest, weakening the anti-oppression cause of our government.

Option A: Ok!
Effects: +7 dissent

Name: Chinese Dissenters Squashed (USA)
Requirements: Dissenters event for China
NOT one time only

A large protest in China has sparked up in one of the major cities. The government decided to squash the protest, strengthening the anti-oppression cause.

Option A: Fight the Oppression!
Effects: -10 dissent

Name: Chinese Dissenters Allowed (USA)
Requirements: Dissenters event for China
NOT one time only

A large protest in China has sparked up in one of the major cities. The government decided to allow the protest, weakening the anti-oppression cause of our government.

Option A: Ok!
Effects: +5 dissent

Name: Chinese Democratic Revolution! (USA)
Requirements: Revolution event for China
NOT one time only

A large protest in China has sparked up in one of the major cities. The government decided to allow the protest, weakening the anti-oppression cause of our government.

Option A: A Triumph for Democracy!
Effects: -20 dissent

 

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nice event, in no mood to code and wouldn't want to deprieve marty of coding events

 

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I think you should put some countries on the first page. would show what we have and maybe you could have a section that shows the countries taht have the main priority.

 

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Originally posted by vcarter707
nice event, in no mood to code and wouldn't want to deprieve marty of coding events

Thanks! I'll take that event, it seems like it will be complicated to code, therefore, more fun for me!

 

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Originally posted by vcarter707
I think you should put some countries on the first page. would show what we have and maybe you could have a section that shows the countries taht have the main priority.

Ok, I'll see to that, Thanks!

 

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shall we go ahead with that advent of that serbian guy. if we do i'll code it but i'll need to know the minister id. he should be head of state and government right?

 

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Originally posted by Lunar
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Originally posted by vcarter707
Heres an idea to start the balken war! thanks to nikaveli526 for giving us this idea. maybe i code later?

Name: Advent of Vojoslav Seselj

Description: Every since the breakup of yugoslavia the balkens have been a hot spot for war. Now, thanks to instability the serbian nationalist Vojoslav Seselj has achieved power. The Croations followed with a declaration of war soon after and then many other nations have also diecided to go to war with all the balken countries.

trigger: a date which is TBD

serbian options:
Great!
triggers a lot of events for all the balken countries that are in the balken war. the events shall give a choice wheather to go to war with certain countries, not just serbia btw

countries recieving the events:
croatia, Bosnia, Albania, macendonia, Bulgaria, Maybe hungary and Romania.

what do ya think?

this is the one i'm talking about