Modding - Quick questions

[ethiopianvampire]

And since I'm here I wanted to ask if having more than five option for an event, in which more than four can't show simultaneously since two trigger options are mutually exclusive, is a problem.

This isn't a problem as long as you don't confuse yourself. I've had lots of options for one event and quite a few descriptions set to trigger each time repeat_event (same event) was used. It can get a bit muddled and start to feel like juggling though.
i.e. set this character flag = desc 'a' and options a/b/c/d -- option a selected adds character flag 2 -- option b selected adds character flag 3 -- option c selected add character flag 4 --- option d selected adds character flag 5 --- repeat_event = { id = same_event } --- character_flags 2/3/4/5 = desc 2/3/4/5 and options 5-8/9-12/13-16/17-20 respectively-- option 20 = random_list (add random character_flags) -- each character flag brings about a different description and set of options. Anyway. You can see where that would get confusing.

Short answer: Yes. You can do more than four options ( a lot more) so long as you only display four of those options at any given time and you are careful not to confuse yourself.

 

[jursamaj]

And since I'm here I wanted to ask if having more than five option for an event, in which more than four can't show simultaneously since two trigger options are mutually exclusive, is a problem.

This is a purely graphical limit. The game can only *display* up to 4 options. So, AI rulers won't care at all, since they don't use the GUI. An AI-only event could have as many active options as you want.

For the *player*, only 4 active options will be shown. If you don't limit the active options to 4 with triggers, the extras simply won't be shown, and thus can't be clicked. The game won't crash or complain.

 

[jursamaj]

This isn't a problem as long as you don't confuse yourself. I've had lots of options for one event and quite a few descriptions set to trigger each time repeat_event (same event) was used. It can get a bit muddled and start to feel like juggling though.
i.e. set this character flag = desc 'a' and options a/b/c/d -- option a selected adds character flag 2 -- option b selected adds character flag 3 -- option c selected add character flag 4 --- option d selected adds character flag 5 --- repeat_event = { id = same_event } --- character_flags 2/3/4/5 = desc 2/3/4/5 and options 5-8/9-12/13-16/17-20 respectively-- option 20 = random_list (add random character_flags) -- each character flag brings about a different description and set of options. Anyway. You can see where that would get confusing.

Why would you do all that in 1 event? It clearly should be broken up into 5.

As a note, since you may not be aware, you can "repeat" a different event. So Bob could receive event 1, select option A, which calls repeat_event on event 2, 3, 4, or 5. Those events could then repeat on themselves, or switch to repeating to a different one if appropriate.

 

[jursamaj]

Note: You don't need the AND or the ROOT, as both are implied.

Not true. NOT and NOR perform an OR operation on their sub-clauses, not an AND. This is an exception to the implied AND. So NOT = { AND = { A B } } would have to convert to OR = { NOT = { A } NOT = { B } }, per De Morgan's Law.

 

[ethiopianvampire]

Why would you do all that in 1 event? It clearly should be broken up into 5.

As a note, since you may not be aware, you can "repeat" a different event. So Bob could receive event 1, select option A, which calls repeat_event on event 2, 3, 4, or 5. Those events could then repeat on themselves, or switch to repeating to a different one if appropriate.

Personal preference. There is no practical reason. I just like keeping my story events as one event and cited it as an example of lots of options. Thank you for the information but, in this case, I was aware. On this point though, I do have a question. Is there any practical reason (That isn't organizational) that one shouldn't write an event this way? (Performance-wise?) It works for me so I haven't really worried about it.

Edit: The reason that I originally started doing it this way was to add randomness to my events. Admittedly, it is over-engineered, but I get sick of seeing the same events again and again. I wanted to show multiple descriptions/options for the same event, completely at random.
Example: King Bob went to war with Queen Joanne -- King Bob got into an argument with Queen Joanne, resulting in conflict -- King bob and Queen Joanne's peace- talks broke down, resulting in a continuation of an old conflict.
Point: This desc would say the same thing, but would be responsive to circumstances of the two rulers or add random detail.
One could do this in multiple events but, as I said, its just personal preference (organizational) and I like to keep it all in the same event.

Not true. NOT and NOR perform an OR operation on their sub-clauses, not an AND. This is an exception to the implied AND. So NOT = { AND = { A B } } would have to convert to OR = { NOT = { A } NOT = { B } }, per De Morgan's Law.

Wow. I did not know/forgot about that. I suppose that I always use multiple NOT = {} blocks. Thanks for the correction. Post struck through.

 

[GottJammern]

Im trying to change some of the values for traits in 'The Gods!' 2.3 mod on Steam . Specifically, I open the .zip, open the associated traits file, and erase the 'general opinion' line. Loading back into the game causes the trait to 'not be found' when I try to add/remove it, and the space where it used to be on my characters traits list is blank but still taking space, almost as if it was invisible.
When in the ruler customiser, the trait appears but with an Arabic(?) character in front of it.

Has anyone heard of this or have any idea where I could start looking? I'm not drastically modifying the trait, just deleting a SINGLE line of non-essential text.

 

[jfood]

When setting start date event troops to reinforce, through a characters.txt file, how do you go about controlling the rate? Giving it a 'reinforces = yes' reinforces the entire unit by the end of the month. It's a bit much.

Specifically looking to give Dyre the Stranger have a reinforcement rate for his starting troops, since he gets absolutely crushed early in HIP.

 

[Lurina]

Back again with another problem. I'm trying to make a mod that makes Germanic Pagan characters with the Frankish (meaning, default) portraits use the unkempt hair for Norse Pagans. However, I'm once again finding the defines for GFX stuff hard to understand, especially when it comes to the use of DLC assets in terms of integration with other stuff. To start simple and not think about linking it to religion, how exactly would I go about simply changing the hair for the default characters to the Norse Pagan assets?

(By the way, thanks to the guy who suggested character IDs being the seed for random clothing selection - It turned out to be right!)

 

[Nendur]

Back again with another problem. I'm trying to make a mod that makes Germanic Pagan characters with the Frankish (meaning, default) portraits use the unkempt hair for Norse Pagans. However, I'm once again finding the defines for GFX stuff hard to understand, especially when it comes to the use of DLC assets in terms of integration with other stuff. To start simple and not think about linking it to religion, how exactly would I go about simply changing the hair for the default characters to the Norse Pagan assets?

(By the way, thanks to the guy who suggested character IDs being the seed for random clothing selection - It turned out to be right!)

In the portraittypes for westerngfx change the GFX_western_*male_hair* references to GFX_norse_*male_hair*.
You can look inside the dlc zipfiles to see what names they use for the spritetypes.

 

[Lurina]

In the portraittypes for westerngfx change the GFX_western_*male_hair* references to GFX_norse_*male_hair*.
You can look inside the dlc zipfiles to see what names they use for the spritetypes.

You're talking about interface/portrait_sprites, right?

 

[Nendur]

You're talking about interface/portrait_sprites, right?

Those are in interface/portraits.gfx

 

[jursamaj]

Im trying to change some of the values for traits in 'The Gods!' 2.3 mod on Steam . Specifically, I open the .zip, open the associated traits file, and erase the 'general opinion' line. Loading back into the game causes the trait to 'not be found' when I try to add/remove it, and the space where it used to be on my characters traits list is blank but still taking space, almost as if it was invisible.
When in the ruler customiser, the trait appears but with an Arabic(?) character in front of it.

Has anyone heard of this or have any idea where I could start looking? I'm not drastically modifying the trait, just deleting a SINGLE line of non-essential text.

Make sure you're saving it in the correct encoding. (Windows 1252, aka Windows Latin 1, sometimes incorrectly called "ANSI" or "ASCII". *Not* Unicode.)

 

[ZeirMakavar]

Not sure if this has been asked here yet, but is there a way I can trigger custom cultures and religions via events, much like how the English culture pops up if a Norman conquers Anglo-Saxon lands? I tried editing that event, and the event that spawns the Norman culture, but neither of these work correctly. (That is, they didn't trigger and I had to go in and force the event to start.)

 

[abauer2]

Not sure if this has been asked here yet, but is there a way I can trigger custom cultures and religions via events, much like how the English culture pops up if a Norman conquers Anglo-Saxon lands? I tried editing that event, and the event that spawns the Norman culture, but neither of these work correctly. (That is, they didn't trigger and I had to go in and force the event to start.)

Those events have a pretty long MTTH, so they might have been working. Have you checked that they are in fact working using testevent instead of event? Use it exactly like event from the console and it will evaluate whether the event's requirements are met without actually executing it.

 

[ZeirMakavar]

Those events have a pretty long MTTH, so they might have been working. Have you checked that they are in fact working using testevent instead of event? Use it exactly like event from the console and it will evaluate whether the event's requirements are met without actually executing it.

Didn't even actually think of that... I rarely ever use the console save for if I'm testing events, so I wasn't actually aware of testevent.

 

[abauer2]

Didn't even actually think of that... I rarely ever use the console save for if I'm testing events, so I wasn't actually aware of testevent.

I just discovered it myself recently. I had been wondering why I hadn't had the extra holding event from reapers due fire, but I was just getting unlucky. Then like 20 minutes after testing the event it fired.

 

[Nendur]

Does anyone what this error is about? random_neighbor_province is used from random_realm_province scope so should be a valid province scope.

[effectimplementation.cpp:6838]: Assert failed for 'random_neighbor_province': Scope.GetProvince() > 0 && "CRandomNeighborProvinceEffect does not have province Scope!"

random_realm_province = {
	random_neighbor_province = {
		limit = { has_owner = yes }
		ROOT = {
			set_graphical_culture = PREV
		}
	}
}

 

[Zorlond]

So I'm working on a complicated event chain. Lotta branching. And I try to simplify how it all turns out by having the branches all meet at one event, with a separate desc for each outcome. But the game only spits out the first result, every single time.

Considering the event ended up with 13 possible desc entries, I have to ask:

Is there an upper limit to how many times one event can do desc = { trigger = { } text = X } before the game chokes?

 

[abauer2]

So I'm working on a complicated event chain. Lotta branching. And I try to simplify how it all turns out by having the branches all meet at one event, with a separate desc for each outcome. But the game only spits out the first result, every single time.

Considering the event ended up with 13 possible desc entries, I have to ask:

Is there an upper limit to how many times one event can do desc = { trigger = { } text = X } before the game chokes?

Not that I know of, but I think any event can only have a maximum of 4 visible options in the window in-game. Not sure if this means you can only have 4 possible options even some are mutually exclusive.

 

[Zorlond]

Not that I know of, but I think any event can only have a maximum of 4 visible options in the window in-game. Not sure if this means you can only have 4 possible options even some are mutually exclusive.

They're not options, they're main-body descriptions. And I've had events with lots of options before (up to 7), long as four or less were valid at any point, it worked fine.

But I'm trying to work with 13 different descriptions. The big flavor text of the event.