• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

-Rodri-

First Lieutenant
7 Badges
Feb 2, 2007
207
24
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
Like the quick question thread in the CK2 general forum, this is a place to ask quick questions about modding.

I would like to start it with a question about decisions:
What is the difference between the Potential part and the Allow part?
and one more generic:
How can I know who of the ruler´ sons has the highest Martial stat? Or the lowest?

I'm sure if we can keep this thread going there is a lot of people who could make their first steps in the modding realm a lot more easier!
 

Opera

Major
70 Badges
Jun 3, 2010
516
111
33
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Heir to the Throne
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Sengoku
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Stellaris
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Cities in Motion
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Deus Vult
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Victoria 2
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Europa Universalis IV
Re: decisions, "potential" means the decision will show up even if you can't enact it, thus giving you a clue as to what else you need to be able to enact it. "allow" gives the prereq for enacting the decisions.
 

RadioactiveHellion

First Lieutenant
46 Badges
Sep 18, 2009
203
19
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Majesty 2
  • Magicka
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • War of the Roses
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
Oh good. I was going to post something like this earlier today but then I found the answer on my own.

Here's a new one I encountered though: mean_time and factors. How do they work? In battle events it seems a higher factor makes it occur more often (judging by the traits) whereas looking at the job events it seems to be the reverse. Anybody can explain why this is so and what to keep in mind when messing with them?
 

-Rodri-

First Lieutenant
7 Badges
Feb 2, 2007
207
24
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
I made myself the same question.
I really don't know why the battle events has any modifiers at all, as their mean_time_to_happen is very short (1 day).

The factors works by multiplying the MTTH. So if you have a MTTH of 100 and a factor of 0.5, the final MTTH is 50. If the factor is 2, the MTTH would be 200.
And the factors are accumulative

Look at this: MTTH in EUIII wiki
 

Cabezaestufa

ɐɟnʇsǝɐzǝqɐɔ
114 Badges
Mar 14, 2004
1.245
0
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Starvoid
  • Teleglitch: Die More Edition
  • The Showdown Effect
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Warlock: Master of the Arcane
  • 500k Club
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Dungeonland
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
I made myself the same question.
I really don't know why the battle events has any modifiers at all, as their mean_time_to_happen is very short (1 day).
I suspect that is because of combat pulses.
 

Syren

First Lieutenant
58 Badges
Feb 14, 2012
229
18
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Prison Architect
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Cities: Skylines - Natural Disasters
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife Pre-Order
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis IV
In the nicknames file does the chance per year factor for traits stack or will it just use the highest if you have more than one. Does (= trait) mean its required while (or trait) means its not? What does ai ambition and ai honor actually effect?
 
Last edited:

RadioactiveHellion

First Lieutenant
46 Badges
Sep 18, 2009
203
19
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Majesty 2
  • Magicka
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • War of the Roses
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
yes, but when the event fires, and it has a MTTH of 1 day... why bother with all the modifiers...

What apparently is happening with Battles instead of normal MTTH events is that instead of modifying the chances per period they're influencing the RANDOM CHANCE to encounter that event during the pulse. As in, when you're looking at a 20 frequency event and you get a Factor 2 modifier your "shares" of triggering for that event double, giving it 40 shares chance of triggering among all possible events. The MTTH listed of 1 day therefore probably means something besides what it does for other non-pulse events. Why Paradox's dev team didn't change it to something less confusing, and what it now means for pulse events, is a mystery.
 

-Rodri-

First Lieutenant
7 Badges
Feb 2, 2007
207
24
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
n the nicknames file does the chance per year factor for traits stack or will it just use the highest if you have more than one. Does (= trait) mean its required while (or trait) means its not? What does ai ambition and ai honor actually effect?

Code:
nick_the_strong = {
	allow = {
		age = 20
		trait = strong           #required trait
		OR = {                    #one of the traits below required
			trait = brave 
			trait = ambitious
		}
	}
	chance = {
		factor = 1
	}

So, you have 1% chance per year to acquire the nick if you are older than 20 yo and strong and you are either brave or ambitious.
 

-Rodri-

First Lieutenant
7 Badges
Feb 2, 2007
207
24
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
I really don´t know how the nicks mark precedence. So far I understand that given the conditions in the Allow section, you get some chance to get one nick.
 

Syren

First Lieutenant
58 Badges
Feb 14, 2012
229
18
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Prison Architect
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Cities: Skylines - Natural Disasters
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife Pre-Order
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis IV
Some nicks like the cruel you can get with ether the cruel or the wroth trait but cruel will have a factor of 5 while wroth will have a factor of 2. I would guess it will just use the higher of the 2 factors for someone with both traits or the nick would be way to common for those that can be gained from 3 to 4 traits .
 

-Rodri-

First Lieutenant
7 Badges
Feb 2, 2007
207
24
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
Look at the piety gained nicknames.

Code:
nick_the_accursed = {
	allow = {
		age = 20
		OR = {
			NOT = { piety = -50 }
			trait = possessed
			trait = kinslayer
		}
	}
	chance = {
		factor = 1
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			NOT = { piety = -100 }
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			NOT = { piety = -200 }
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			NOT = { piety = -300 }
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			trait = hedonist
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			trait = gluttonous
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			trait = greedy
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			trait = envious
		}
		modifier = {
			factor = 2.0
			trait = cynical
		}
	}
}

There is no need to give different factors based on piety if they are not accumulative. I think (and someone correct me if I´m wrong) that if that character has:
piety -301
is greedy
is envious
then

final chance hast to be acumulative by addition (multiplying seems too much). So annual percentaje would be 1+2+2+2+2+2 = 11% (or by multiplying=32%)
 

Syren

First Lieutenant
58 Badges
Feb 14, 2012
229
18
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Tyranny: Archon Edition
  • Prison Architect
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Cities: Skylines - Natural Disasters
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Cities: Skylines - Mass Transit
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • BATTLETECH - Backer
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife Pre-Order
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis IV
I did not think to look at the piety nicks; looks like your correct as I can't think of any other reason for it to be that way. Thanks for all the help.
 

RadioactiveHellion

First Lieutenant
46 Badges
Sep 18, 2009
203
19
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Majesty 2
  • Magicka
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • War of the Roses
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
Two questions:

1) Is there a way to create my own variables (either global or attached to an object)?

2) How would I go about modifying warscore from an event? I guessed a few possible effect tags but none of them hit the mark.
EDIT: While at it, is there a trigger to detect warscore too?

3) I'm having some trouble getting a new opinion modifier to work. I added it to the opinion_modifiers.txt but it's not showing up in-game. Maybe it's something with my script? I'm using the following effect code:

Code:
any_realm_character = {
	limit = {
		liege = ROOT
	}
	opinion = {
		who = liege
		modifier = opinion_shared_spoils
		months = 60						
	}			
}
 
Last edited:

-Rodri-

First Lieutenant
7 Badges
Feb 2, 2007
207
24
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Supreme Ruler 2020
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
1) I don´t know.
2) Look if you can use set_variable and change_variable. They´re from EU3 (EU3 effects), but I don´t know if they can be used in CK2 or the scope of them.
3) What are you trying to do with that code? If I guess correctly, try this:

Code:
any_realm_character = {
	limit = {
		is_liege_of = ROOT
	}
	opinion = {
		who = ROOT
		modifier = opinion_shared_spoils
		months = 60						
	}			
}
 

RadioactiveHellion

First Lieutenant
46 Badges
Sep 18, 2009
203
19
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Majesty 2
  • Magicka
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • BATTLETECH - Digital Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Shadowrun Returns
  • Shadowrun: Dragonfall
  • Shadowrun: Hong Kong
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Stellaris: Ancient Relics
  • Age of Wonders: Planetfall
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • BATTLETECH: Heavy Metal
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • War of the Roses
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • BATTLETECH: Flashpoint
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • BATTLETECH: Season pass
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
I already played around with set_variable and check_variable but they don't seem to do anything.

The code is supposed to add an opinion modifier to all characters who have the ROOT character as their liege. It's inside an event option and their face icons show up, so I don't think the limit portion of the code is incorrect. The problem is that when I go to check their opinion it hasn't changed and the new opinion modifier isn't listed. Tried it with one of the vanilla OMs too but that didn't show either, so it must be a problem with the code, somehow.