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One in-game air division should represent...

  • one squadron (accuracy, micromanagment)

    Votes: 30 56,6%
  • one semi-wing (less accuracy, less micromanagment, ahistorical)

    Votes: 23 43,4%

  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .

Arturius

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In some countries the highest organized unit was the squadron. Great Britain had already organized its squadrons into wings. Germany and Austria-Hungary had only partially organized their squadrons into wings from mid war.

Another issue is the point that the wings of Great Britain were not specialized but compromised a mix of specialized squadrons. Only on squadron-level units were specialized (e.g. fighter or reconnaissance bomber etc.). Whereas in Germany wings were specialized too (fighter wing consisted of fighter squadrons etc.).

The most possible accurate representation of air force would be that one air division would represent one real squadron. But if you look at the numbers: at its peak in 1918 the RAF consisted of 188 squadrons. By a historical progress in game such number would mean some micromanagement.

A compromise may be to represent a semi-wing (half amount of a real wing) as one air division. That would be less accurate than the proposition above but more accurate than a full wing=division representation. So a British mixed wing could be differentiated regarding its purpose according to the abstraction of its squadrons. Bad is that a semi-wing was never a real unit (whether administrative nor tactical). Those 188 squadrons would be represented then in game as 30-50 air divisions.
 
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How many aircraft in each?
 

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I'm afraid that too many air units on mission would terribly slow down the game engine...?

I have played hands-off game (1933 scenario) until 1960. Performance was still fine. Be aware that air divisions could be merged.
 
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Go with squadrons, and perhaps increase the size of the Air Commander limit, and modify also the ideal air squadron numbers as well so that if you want, each commander can command more than one wing/wing-equivalent?