[MOD] Vanilla Immersion, Events, and Traits - A Modular Flavor and Tweak Mod

[Nyrael]

Thank you very much

 

[GothicEmperor]

The 'Change Conversion Rates' in-game customisation option brings me to the final 'choose name for Carpathia' decision options. Some of the other options that are said to be removed in the changelog (as I understand it) are still there; are the in-game customisation options working as designed?

 

[jordarkelf]

The 'Change Conversion Rates' in-game customisation option brings me to the final 'choose name for Carpathia' decision options. Some of the other options that are said to be removed in the changelog (as I understand it) are still there; are the in-game customisation options working as designed?

Yeah it's improperly linked. You can launch the event in the console with event customization.39.

Or fix it in \VIET_Immersion\decisions\VIET_Z_Customization_Options.txt line 114, change customization.31 to customization.39.

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@cybr

Some unstructured thoughts on faith, mainly regarding interfaith marriages.

With Ibadi and Yazidi now forming their own islamic branches, perhaps these should also get the intermarry = west_african_pagan (and reformed of course) string?

Also, maybe east_african_pagan (and its reformed variant) should be allowed for all four muslim branches, as well as intermarriage between east and west african pagans?

Then on the subject of the Serer people. The Serer religion of Senegal is apparently one of the few West African pagan faiths which specifically disallows interfaith marriages, so perhaps they should get their own pagan religion (also called Serer) to be able to script this, and still allow Mandé pagans to marry muslims and vice versa?

What about marriages between Messianic Jews and Orthodox Christians, or maybe just one way where Messianic Jews accept Christian spouses, but not vice versa (would that work?).

Perhaps the Buddhists should allow marriages with all faiths. After all in Buddhism faith is seen as a personal choice, not an intrinsic part of oneself as in virtually all other faiths.

Zoroastrians should not allow interfaith marriages at all, not even between various Zoroastrian sects (can that be scripted?)

 

[AnaxXiphos]

Some unstructured thoughts on faith, mainly regarding interfaith marriages.

I could've missed an update about this, but last I heard the intermarry command only works within a religion group. So any of your in-group suggestions should be possible, but beyond that all bets are off barring PI making some official changes.

 

[jordarkelf]

Ah, I was going of the VIET file which does have intermarry cross-groups but I see vanilla only has it for norse_pagan/norse_pagan_reformed

 

[milkan]

Getting two errors while playing as Karen (Zoro). One is a major one causing a CTD very quickly while the other is basically annoying.

1. As soon as I enact the decision to Reorganize the first vasht of Zhayedan using the intrigue tab, a holy order having 0 troops is formed. Note this is not the holy order which forms automatically after you reform the Zoroastrian Church (The Immortals) but just the one for the holy order itself. Thereafter within a month or less the game will crash to desktop.

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2. For both Feast and Great Hunt, the initial dialog box has no portrait. Its just empty. Vanilla CK2 doesn't have the same problem. I have all the portraits and DLCs by the way.

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Oh and with regards to mods, they are PB v3.3.3, VIET 1.5.0, CK2 Tooltip Mod and Keyboard Shortcuts.

 

[SBolshevik]

But Ban definitely should not be a province ruler here. Zvonimir was co-ruler of Croatia even before Petar Krešimir's death and since then word Ban was used for those who ruled over Croatia (often the entire country). In other words, in Croatia it was a title used for highest tier rulers that were not Kings.
And I think his demesne was called Banovina.

Thanks for giving me an idea here, Nyrael!

 

[jordarkelf]

I made some changes to the succession laws which I hope you'll adopt in VIET.

Celts and Anglo-Saxons cannot pick Gavelkind and Seniority at the count level and above, and can only pick Primogeniture, Ultimogeniture, or Elective if they are kingdoms or empires.

Furthermore Tanist realms are unable to switch to agnatic-cognatic or cognatic gender succession as long as they have Tanist law, and any agnatic-cognatic or cognatic realm switching to Tanist law automatically becomes Agnatic. There is no historical case of agnatic-cognatic or cognatic Tanist realms.

After 1150 normal rules apply to them, and Bretons are also excluded as they were Celts who did not use Tanist law.

Download here.

And since I put it in the potential only, you can still have realms scripted to begin with Primogeniture like 867 Wessex

 

[theStormWeaver]

I made some changes to the succession laws which I hope you'll adopt in VIET.

Celts and Anglo-Saxons cannot pick Gavelkind and Seniority at the count level and above, and can only pick Primogeniture, Ultimogeniture, or Elective if they are kingdoms or empires.

Furthermore Tanist realms are unable to switch to agnatic-cognatic or cognatic gender succession as long as they have Tanist law, and any agnatic-cognatic or cognatic realm switching to Tanist law automatically becomes Agnatic. There is no historical case of agnatic-cognatic or cognatic Tanist realms.

After 1150 normal rules apply to them, and Bretons are also excluded as they were Celts who did not use Tanist law.

Download here.

And since I put it in the potential only, you can still have realms scripted to begin with Primogeniture like 867 Wessex

That sounds awful and needlessly restrictive. If its implemented I'll have to mod it out of my local copy.

 

[Nyrael]

I agree, it is something more fitting for major modifications like CK2+ or TPatT than VIET which is supposed to stay close to Vanilla.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Since the latest version is a tad bit buggier than my usual releases (I blame SoA), I'll see if I can release an update on Wednesday or so (instead of waiting about a week like I normally would), hopefully it'll take care of a good number of the bugs and issues.


@everyone who posted a bug report: I'm too lazy to reply to all of you (I was quite surprised at how many posts I got in the VIET thread upon waking up!) but if it hasn't been reported already I've made a note of what you've said and hopefully it'll be fixed in the next version (thanks muchly to jordarkelf).

@jordarkelf: Thanks for the little fixes, much appreciated as always! Reminds me of the good old days of VIET.

@sBolshevik and my other Slavic-loving friends: My current set-up was based on someone's suggestion, but I forgot who. Anyhow for the south slavic title localizations I could do a variant of Nyrael's suggestion, as thus:

Baron - Lord/Lordship (Knez sounds a bit unnecessary to me if it just translates straight-up to Lord)
Count - Župan/Župa
Duke - Ban/Banate

d_ibadi.txt lines 3 and 12 and k_oman.txt line 2 also use law = succ_elective which probably should be law = succ_turkish_succession

That's WAD, the Ibadi Caliphate and King and Emperor-tier titles held by the Ibadi have elective succession, to represent Oman's tradition of having their (Ibadi) be elected.

I seem to get a CTD with every exit of a campaign. Doesn't matter whom as or which date. Just CTD's upon resign.
Just running the normal combos.

Hmm... 1 time out of 9 it did not CTD upon resign. Still strange and possibly worth checking into to see if it can be replicated.

Do you have an error log? Sounds like it's possibly a duplicate ID somewhere, but I checked for any of those before I uploaded the most recent version...

 

[jordarkelf]

I'd call it a "Culture/Religion specific mechanic" myself. Celts should not be using succession laws which historically never existed. :glare:

 

[cybrxkhan]

I'd call it a "Culture/Religion specific mechanic" myself. Celts should not be using succession laws which historically never existed. :glare:

I think I already limited the Irish to certain laws, but anyhow I do share Nyrael and theStormWeaver's hesitations. Might add the Welsh to have similar restrictions with the Irish, though. Scottish I might have lighter restrictions, though given they were the only major kingdom I'll keep them light.

 

[jordarkelf]

That's WAD, the Ibadi Caliphate and King and Emperor-tier titles held by the Ibadi have elective succession, to represent Oman's tradition of having their (Ibadi) be elected.

Use succ_feudal_elective or succ_open_elective then, succ_elective is not a law

 

[cybrxkhan]

Use succ_feudal_elective then, succ_elective is not a law

Ooooh... wow.

 

[SBolshevik]

@sBolshevik and my other Slavic-loving friends: My current set-up was based on someone's suggestion, but I forgot who. Anyhow for the south slavic title localizations I could do a variant of Nyrael's suggestion, as thus:

Baron - Lord/Lordship (Knez sounds a bit unnecessary to me if it just translates straight-up to Lord)
Count - Župan/Župa
Duke - Ban/Banate

Just a little bit of info:
Having Župan is inconsistent with the rest of the game (except for Trgovište in Rashka).
Zupan or Zhupan might be better.
Of course, the problem then comes in the title "Grand Prince", as Grand Prince is just Veliki Župan, only translated to English.

 

[Cerest]

Updated earlier post,

I get really bad spam with the VIET CK2+ modules (1.5.0) with the latest CK2+ version (2.05.2). No other submods in CK2+ are activated.

All I get is spam about the Hansa being formed :/ See image here,
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=198130355

The event itself is under "republic_trade_events.txt" in the CK2+ folder. I should note that the VIET modules do not replace or edit that file but I only see the problem when I play CK2+ with Viet.

 

[SBolshevik]

Yee-ouch. While I agree that the only difference between a Serb and a Croat in the early parts of CK2 is whether or not their priest listens to Rome or to Constantinople, that'll not go over well with the Balkan nationalist crowd.

Just a small FYI, jordarkelf, it's not really that. It's more of who fell into the Frankish sphere and who fell into the Byzantine sphere. The Coastal Serbs were Catholics. Did that automatically make them Croats? No. (that is, unfortunately, something many people here answer with "Yes.").

 

[cybrxkhan]

Just a little bit of info:
Having Župan is inconsistent with the rest of the game (except for Trgovište in Rashka).
Zupan or Zhupan might be better.
Of course, the problem then comes in the title "Grand Prince", as Grand Prince is just Veliki Župan, only translated to English.

So Zupan instead of Župan then... the other stuff you think is fine, then?

Updated earlier post,

It appears that the newest version of CK2+ was released literally a few hours after I released the newest version of VIET, though the differences are relatively small and I'm unsure why it would be causing your issue - I'll try to post a hotfix for that later today, hopefully it'll fix it though.

 

[SBolshevik]

So Zupan instead of Župan then... the other stuff you think is fine, then?

Well, Ban only became used a bit later in the timeframe in Serbia, but it was used, so it could be used. Still in favour of using Veliki Zupan, although it might go a bit out of the "Flavourful, but comprehensible" which you normally look for.
Also, the state of the č, ć, š, đ and ž letters is extremely screwed up as PDS made it. AFAIK, it's impossible to add č, ć and đ (but then again, đ could be replaced by ð, something which local TV stations do) meaning that you have to use ch for č and ć (adding to the confusion). And to make it even worse, in some places, for š there is sh (Rashka), but elsewhere, there is only s (Ivanis).

EDIT: A viable alternative for Grand Prince is Voivode.

EDIT2: Voivode can also be used as a Duke title for Poles.