[MOD] Vanilla Immersion, Events, and Traits - A Modular Flavor and Tweak Mod

[cybrxkhan]

Check out the new first page picture thingy (what are they called?) for the new Finnish Pagan themed update:

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Bye bye West African themed first page picture thingy.

And here's the tentative changelog for 1.3.6. I'm probably missing a few things you've guys suggested and I haven't found a proper fix for the Republic of Iceland bug yet (otherwise I'll just re-add the entire thing in):

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- Added 9 Finnish Pagan flavor events
- Added music module: Finnish
- Added in-game customization options: turn Finnish Pagan features off, change name of the Kingdom of Britain (vanilla Empire of Britannia), change name of the Kalmar Union (vanilla Empire of Scandinavia)
- Added new optional portrait background for various northern cultures
- Added Carvaka heresy to Hinduism and Sammitiya heresy to Buddhism
- Added PolsakGOLA’s revamped Polish name list
- Characters of the Av Vedrafjord, Crovan and Ivaring dynasties are Norse-Gaelic from the 1066 start (credits to Emperor Tojo)
- Norsegael duchies are petty kingdoms
- Changed a few provinces in northern Scotland to Pictish culture before 900
- Empire of Bulgaria is held by Krum onwards
- Indic culture group is renamed to “Indian”
- Nestorian, Chaldean, Syriac, and Maronite holy book is the Peshitta
- Reduced the chances AI will take the Become King ambition
- Duchy of Udmurtia is independent until the Mongol Conquest
- Odinism (i.e. reformed Norse paganism) is now called Ásatrú
- Slightly increased fertility rate
- Minimum age required for Live to Old Age ambition is now 40
- Significantly increased MTTH for event to lose a lover, and added other elements that could influence the MTTH
- Polish and Lithuanian Barons are Castellans and they rule over Castellanies (instead of being counts)

Finnish Pagan Additions/Features
- Added Shaman trait
- Added decision available for Finnish and Tengri Pagans: “Ask Ancestors for Advice”
- Added decisions available for Finnish Pagans: “Hold Bear Hunt,” “Make Offerings to Haltija”
- Added Haltija system for Finnish Pagans - all provinces directly controlled by a Finnish Pagan will have modifiers reflecting the local Haltija who dwell there
- Added Karsikko mini event chain for when a Finnish Pagan dies

Finnish Pagan Miscellany
- Added new Finnish, Mordvin, Udmurt, Samoyed dynasties
- Finnish Pagan temples are called Sacred Groves
- Finnish Court Chaplains must have the Shaman trait
- Empire of Russia is called “Uralica” if ruled by a Finno-Ugric
- Kingdom of Russia is called “Erzya” if ruled by a Finno-Ugric
- Kingdom of Volga Bulgaria is called “Mordovia” if ruled by a Finno-Ugric
- Duchy of Bjarmia is called “Lamtü” if ruled by a Finno-Ugric

Sinic Title Localizations (credits to superskierpat)

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- Chinese and Khitan Dukes are called Gong and they rule over a Circuit
- Chinese and Khitan Counts are called Bo and they rule over a Prefecture
- Chinese and Khitan Barons are called Nan and they rule over a Xian
- Vietnamese Dukes are called Cong and they rule over a Circuit
- Vietnamese Counts are called Ba and they rule over a Prefecture
- Vietnamese Barons are called Nam and they rule over a Castle
- Korean Dukes are called Gukgong and they rule over a Nation
- Korean Counts are called Hyeonbaek and they rule over a Prefecture
- Korean Barons are called Hyeonnam and they rule over a Castle
- Japanese Kings and Queens are called Shoguns and Ohi, respectively, and they rule over a Shogunate
- Japanese Dukes are called Daimyo and they rule over a Daimyo
- Japanese Counts are called Kanji and they rule over a Lordship
- Japanese Barons are called Omo and they rule over a Castle

Bugfixes, Optimization, Etc.
- PB war checks should be updated appropriately (and no more headaches for Meneth, hopefully)
- Reduced size of VIET Assets by removing unnecessary art files
- Changes to councillors moved to VIET Immersion
[FIX INSTRUCTIONS ESP PORTRAIT FIX]
- Fixed Iceland not being a Republic [?????]
- Fixed instructions for Muslim portraits for Turkish portrait customization option
- Fixed duplicate instances of the Counties of Yamalia and Chelyabi
- Fixed Iceland still being independent at later start dates
- Fixed (vanilla bug) with English royalty having the Tanist title
- Fixed Norsegael having no localization
- Fixed Kingdom of Spain (i.e. Empire of Hispania) localization in PB VIET
- Fixed Sofa Warriors having the Mandinka horsemen modifier
- Fixed mercenaries not working [?????]

Just spitballing, but maybe the check could be whether any provinces in each of the realm's duchies are Christian, i.e. at least one province per duchy must be Christian before another Holy War can be called?

Hmm, maybe not. It just that with, how converting works, any all-or-nothing check is going to be a half-measure.

That wouldn't be too bad a solution but as you say it really given what I know with the code it has to be all or nothing, and a half-measure will only lean strongly towards one way or another.

I moved nearly all the checks to the CBs themselves when Paradox made that possible. Only title requirements can't be displayed yet.

Ah, I see, that makes sense.

I have deleted the turkish.gfx file in order that they use the Muslim portraits but they use the Mongol dlc instead.

That's odd. I thought they would default to the Muslim portraits but guess not. Out of curiosity, are you using the vanilla or the PB version of VIET? Anyhow to temporarily fix that you'll just need to change one line. Go to "[PB] VIET Immersion/common/cultures" and open up altaic.txt.

Find the following lines:

	turkish = {
		graphical_culture = [COLOR="#FFA500"]turkishgfx[/COLOR]
		
		color = { 0.85 0.55 0.15 }

		male_names = {
			"Alp Arslan" "Alp Yürek" Afsin Ahmet_Ahmad Aksonqor Alaeddin Ali_Ali Alkan Alptigin Andreyus_Andrew Artuk Ayaz Aydin Aydogan Aydogdu Aytekin
			Bahadir Balaban Basbuga Batuhan Baturay Baybars Bayezid Baytas Belek Berkan Berkiyaruk Bozan Bugra Bülend Burak Böru Cüneyd Danismend Davud_David
			Demir_Timur Dogan Dogukan Dukak Dundar Erdem Ertan Ertekin Ertugrul Estafanos_Stephen Gunduz Hasan_Hasan Hizir Hüseyin_Hussein Ibrahim_Abraham Ilgazi Inal Iskender_Alexander
			Kaikaus Kaikhusraw Kaiqobad Kara Karatay Kasim Kaya Kaytun Kemal Kiliç Korkut_Korkut Kurboga Kutalmis Kutay Kutlug Mahmud_Mahmud Mehmed_Muhammad
			Meliksah Mengucek Mesud Mihail_Michael Murad Mursel Mustafa Nikola_Nicholas Orhan Osman Porsuk Ramazan Ridvan Rustem_Rustam Saim Saltuk Saruca Savtekin
			Savur Sehinsah Selim Selçuk Sencer Sinan Suleyman_Solomon Söbuk Sökmen Sönmez Tanrivermis Tekin Timurtas Togay Togtekin Toktamis Tolun Toruntay
			Tugrul_Tugrul Tunga Turgut Turhan Tutus Uluç Umur Yakut Yaman Yinal Yorgi_George Yunus Yürek Çagri Çaka
		}
		female_names = {
			Akgul Asli Aslihan Ayasun Ayla Ayse Ayten Azize Bahar Banu Bozçin Canan Ceylan Dilber_Dilber Dilek Dunya Emine Esin Fatma Firuze Gulay Gulbahar_Golbahar Gulfem Gulsum
			Gulçiçek Gumus Gundes Gunduz Gunes Hatice Hayat Huriye Ilkay Ilknur Ipek Ipekel Irge Karacik Lale Leyla Mala Mansure Merve Mutlu Nagihan Nergis Neslihan
			Nilufer_Nilufer Nur Peksen Samur Sarica Sati Sehnaz_Sanaz Serap Serife Sevilay Sevindik_Sevindik Sibel_Sibylla Sirin Sirma Songul Sumru Tekçe Terkhen Tura Umay Usunbike Vahide
			Yasar Yeldem Yildiz Zehra_Zahra Zuhal Çilen Çiltanesi Çiçek_Çiçek Özgul Özlem
		}
		
		from_dynasty_prefix = "ve "
		
		male_patronym = "oglu"
		prefix = no
		
		dynasty_title_names = yes
		founder_named_dynasties = yes

		modifier = cultural_flexibility
	}

Change the highlighted "turkishgfx" to "muslimgfx". That should be it.

I cannot speak for other countries but it wasn't and isn't used that way in Poland, where every ruler was either a King or known as Ksiaże (Prince, Duke). I read the wikipedia article on Voivode both in English and in Polish and the author(s) seems to be engaged in a bit of original research (?) by trying to equal it with the Duke/Herzog. In Poland, it was obviously a separate, appointed office that had little to do with being a territorial ruler.

I've done some further quick research and you appear to be correct (reading other Wikipedia articles as well as that main Voivode article itself as it elaborates further), or at the least it appears to be vaguer than I expected. In other regions such as Transylvania it was definitely used as a title of a ruler. What I'm confused about however is that on Wikipedia it also discusses the Voivodeships as territorial units. So historically in Poland, was there both a feudal lord and the appointed Voivode for a region, or just the latter, or am I missing something here?

Anyhow I'll also ask my Polish friend for a second opinion to see what his suggestions are, I'll assume it'd be something similar but a second opinion is always nice.

 

[superskierpat]

- Added in-game customization options: turn Finnish Pagan features off, change name of the Kingdom of Britain (vanilla Empire of Britannia), change name of the Kalmar Union (vanilla Empire of Scandinavia)

What are all the options?

- Added Carvaka heresy to Hinduism and Sammitiya heresy to Buddhism

Whats the gist of these heresies?

- Changed a few provinces in northern Scotland to Pictish culture before 900

Yay

- Polish and Lithuanian Barons are Castellans and they rule over Castellanies (instead of being counts)

They were called counts before?

Finnish Pagan Additions/Features
- Finnish Pagan temples are called Sacred Groves

I love the features, and I'll add that localisation to HKC

Sinic Title Localizations (credits to superskierpat)

You're welcome everyone

 

[aragonFTW]

tuyệt vời!

 

[Raczynski]

I've done some further quick research and you appear to be correct (reading other Wikipedia articles as well as that main Voivode article itself as it elaborates further), or at the least it appears to be vaguer than I expected. In other regions such as Transylvania it was definitely used as a title of a ruler. What I'm confused about however is that on Wikipedia it also discusses the Voivodeships as territorial units. So historically in Poland, was there both a feudal lord and the appointed Voivode for a region, or just the latter, or am I missing something here?

Anyhow I'll also ask my Polish friend for a second opinion to see what his suggestions are, I'll assume it'd be something similar but a second opinion is always nice.

Thanks for the quick response - not every mod maker does that
Among the countries that definitely used voivode as a ruler tittle are Transylvania, Wallachia and Moldavia, possibly - Bohemia (based on somehow murky wikipedia informations). Just not Poland

What I'm confused about however is that on Wikipedia it also discusses the Voivodeships as territorial units

That's kind of complicated. First, in the 12th-13th century Poland experienced feudal fragmentation. Dozens of new Princedom/Dukedoms were created, each with it's own hierarchy of officials based on the original central ones (councilors and honorary tittle holders in CK2 terms), including voivodes. Later, when Poland was being reunited (14th century) the local nobility didn't want to give up the prestige associated with holding this offices so they kind of morphed into "territorial" offices, the most important of them being the office of voivode. Only at this points the "Lands" of Poland started to be become Voivodeships, with Voivodes as their (mostly honorary*) heads.

*Both Voivodes and Castellanes lost most of their actual powers to the new office of Starosta, introduced during the short period of Premislid rule.

 

[theStormWeaver]

Check out the new first page picture thingy (what are they called?) for the new Finnish Pagan themed update:

Banner.

Your welcome

 

[cybrxkhan]

What are all the options?

Empire of Britain:
- Empire of Britannia
- Albion
- Great Britain
- Kingdom of Britain (default)

Empire of Scandinavia:
- Empire of Scandinavia
- Midgard
- Scandinavia
- Kalmar Union (default)

Whats the gist of these heresies?

Carvaka was a heterodox, mainly atheist and materialist school of Hinduism.

Sammitiya was the most important and surviving schools of one of the early branches of Buddhism until the medieval era and was generally dominant in India during its heyday. It was considered heretical by Mahayana Buddhists apparently.

They were called counts before?

I mean that Polish/Lithuanian counts were called Castellans before, now the term 'Castellan' is for barons.

tuyệt vời!

I saw that!

Thanks for the quick response - not every mod maker does that
Among the countries that definitely used voivode as a ruler tittle are Transylvania, Wallachia and Moldavia, possibly - Bohemia (based on somehow murky wikipedia informations). Just not Poland



That's kind of complicated. First, in the 12th-13th century Poland experienced feudal fragmentation. Dozens of new Princedom/Dukedoms were created, each with it's own hierarchy of officials based on the original central ones (councilors and honorary tittle holders in CK2 terms), including voivodes. Later, when Poland was being reunited (14th century) the local nobility didn't want to give up the prestige associated with holding this offices so they kind of morphed into "territorial" offices, the most important of them being the office of voivode. Only at this points the "Lands" of Poland started to be become Voivodeships, with Voivodes as their (mostly honorary*) heads.

*Both Voivodes and Castellanes lost most of their actual powers to the new office of Starosta, introduced during the short period of Premislid rule.

Hmm, I see. That does make things sort of complicated, but I can see where you're coming from. I guess a switch to duke/petty duke wouldn't hurt, but I wanna see what my other Polish friend says first.

Banner.

Your welcome

Oh, that's what it's called. Although I thought banners were... Well, whatever, I've never been strong with vocabulary in random instances.

 

[unmerged(635400)]

If I run this with PB, ARKO pack armories& SWMH, which mods do I need to select to run the game correctly? PB - SWMH compatible, Somewhat More Historic 2.75, and what else? Before I selected too many I think and I was unable to select a character on the map screen to begin the game (all areas said "No Character")

 

[cybrxkhan]

If I run this with PB, ARKO pack armories& SWMH, which mods do I need to select to run the game correctly? PB - SWMH compatible, Somewhat More Historic 2.75, and what else? Before I selected too many I think and I was unable to select a character on the map screen to begin the game (all areas said "No Character")

First make sure you're using the PB modules. Second, make sure you're not using Core or Immersion, as those modules are NOT comptible with SWMH and almost certainly the reason why the map is messed up.

 

[polskaGOLA]

Am I your Polish friend cybrxkhan?

If so, then I agree with Raczynski changes. I am a bit less well versed on how Poland was administrated before 1386 but it is my understanding that Voivodes weren't really that relevant (beyond militarily) during the time of fragmentation because the different fragments were directly ruled by their respective prince. Given the way the game works with all the provincial vassals of the king being called the same thing, it would make much more sense for them to be princes.

 

[Midnight Voyage]

No matter how often I turn off the Elder Scrolls events, they never actually seem to turn off. I'm afraid I can't figure out why.

 

[ImperatorLJ]

So is AO 2.0 being integrated next update?

 

[cybrxkhan]

Am I your Polish friend cybrxkhan?

If so, then I agree with Raczynski changes. I am a bit less well versed on how Poland was administrated before 1386 but it is my understanding that Voivodes weren't really that relevant (beyond militarily) during the time of fragmentation because the different fragments were directly ruled by their respective prince. Given the way the game works with all the provincial vassals of the king being called the same thing, it would make much more sense for them to be princes.

Yes, you are that Polish friend.

All makes sense anyhow, I should make a final note for the changes then.

No matter how often I turn off the Elder Scrolls events, they never actually seem to turn off. I'm afraid I can't figure out why.

That customization option only turns off (what I think are) the more egregious ones, so a few of them will still trigger, although nowthat you mention it I dunno why I didn't just make it prevent all of them from firing, so I'll just do that for the next version. (Although do note that the cusotmization option will only ever prevent generic flavor events from firing, stuff from decision event chains like the Survey Realm or the African Griot stuff can't be turned off without some work that's really not worth it)

So is AO 2.0 being integrated next update?

Afraid not, it appears like it would cause some savegame issues. However you can expect AO 2.0 to make it for VIET 1.4.0, which will be the sacegame incompatible update coming out whenever the August DLC and the accompanying patch happens.

 

[LACKADAISICAL]

For some reason I can't play as iceland. Attempting to select it (at any date above the old gods date) results in the "Cannot play as republics" error message (even though I have the republics dlc and all other republics work fine). Not sure if this was mentioned anywhere else in the thread--VIET is the only mod I'm using.

 

[cybrxkhan]

For some reason I can't play as iceland. Attempting to select it (at any date above the old gods date) results in the "Cannot play as republics" error message (even though I have the republics dlc and all other republics work fine). Not sure if this was mentioned anywhere else in the thread--VIET is the only mod I'm using.

Its a known bug that has been affecting VIET since I updated it to TOG, unfortunately I haven'tfound a fix to it yet. However you can still play them if you load into the game as someone else and console switch - apparently all the five patrician families that are supposed to be there do appear as noirmal, its just that they aren't selectable for some reason.

 

[Vindahl]

A quick question... Why is the icon "Invite Noble" in my intrigue tab green? Is there a file or something I need to delete, in order to have it look "vanilla" again? Thanks...

 

[Samitte]

Music Pack 3 link is not working, which seems to be related to Celtic 3 since they give the same problem (They both link to stuff on Mediafire)

The other ones are downloadable easily enough. Looking forward to playing this mod!

 

[superskierpat]

A quick question... Why is the icon "Invite Noble" in my intrigue tab green? Is there a file or something I need to delete, in order to have it look "vanilla" again? Thanks...

The icon was added by Meneth, because he tweaked he added so many decisions he didn't have any icons.

 

[Vindahl]

The icon was added by Meneth, because he tweaked he added so many decisions he didn't have any icons.

Well, I only use the Events, so it is kind of annoying... Can't I delete a file somewhere, to get it back to normal?

 

[Matrim_Cauthon]

Which face packs do VIET Immersion requires? I have Mongol Face Pack, African Portraits and Mediterranean Portraits, but I still get some European rulers to be black spaces.

 

[al3xytp]

Earning piety to declare war is very hard as an orthodox ruler. Any tips ?