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Only halfway through, but:
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War table's getting a little crowded :V
Anyway, some notes:
- Skyhold is much further north than you've placed it. Haven should probably be where you've put the Skyhold provinces.
- Of the regions shown, only The Hinterlands (ironically), Exalted Plains and Val Royeaux feel like "core" territories- i.e., where there should be a lot of province/holding density. Crestwood and Emprise du Lion seem like extremely peripheral rural areas and the other regions are nearly uninhabited.
- Emerald Graves is a densely forested region with a few scattered... I am actually going to refer to them as holiday homes. "Villa" would suggest some sort of manorial agrarian arrangement that's wholly lacking.
- The Fallow Mire is a bog- there is a Fereldan settlement there, but the keep's long abandoned and it's literally in the middle of a bog. I suspect the Chasind would have the run of the place, and Ferelden's de jure territory probably shouldn't stretch much further south of Redcliffe.
- Storm Coast at least seems theoretically habitable, but it's both extremely rugged and densely forested, which is probably why-
- The codex says that Redcliffe stands on "the only land route into Ferelden". This surprised me, because I had assumed that the Kingdom ran all the way to the Frostbacks- the implication here is that a) Lake Calenhad is Ferelden's western boundary, and b), the northern route is impassable, at least from the perspective of an army. Who controls the land between Calenhad and the Frostbacks is an open question- Orlais? Local unaffiliated lordlings? (There are a few war table missions in the area that seem to involve Orlesian-esque lords) Though, if my playthrough is anything to go by, it's going to be the Inquisition by the end of the game. And an equally large stretch on the other side of the mountains.
- The Western Approach is totally inhospitable- sand dunes, sulphur geysers, big scary lizards and a whole lot of ruins. I'd almost say make the whole desert wasteland, but there is a fort there that the Inquisition renovate. One holding for the entire desert? It's more of an outpost than an actual holding, IMO.
- Forbidden Oasis is actually green, as you might guess, but no-one's going to be living there for other reasons.
- Hissing Wastes I haven't looked at at all yet, but with a name with that I'm saying wasteland.
- Only other codex things I've picked up on are that Val Chevin used to be Orlesian but is now part of Nevarra, the Hundred Pillars are part of Tevinter (it's where Dorian's from, I think), and neither the 'vints or the Qunari really control any part of Seheron that they're not immediately standing on
Extracting the rest of the codex info is going to be a pain, AFAIK the engine is unmoddable and there's no way to get a dump of those pages. Fastest way would probably be screenshots. Someone who isn't me can do that, thanks.
Oh, and a note on province count. Vanilla currently has 1,210 controllable land provinces, with 5,096 holdings between them. I strongly urge you to take this as an upper bound- many people (not me, though it's not great) have serious performance issues with a map that's only that large. I suspect the game would be much more tolerable for those on the lower half of the hardware spectrum if you kept the number of provinces below 1,000.
I'm around the same place in my play-through.
I remember a dialogue (in the Haven Chantry) where It explains that Haven and its lands actually belong to a Orlaisian noble. So I'm inclined to believe that the Frostbacks are not Feredlen territory.
Thanks for the map! I will carefully look at it and make the appropriate changes. Skyhold was put as a placeholder, but I thought I had haven where the WoT map placed it...
Form what I gathered from viewing playthorughs, Some Orlaisian nobleman has a claim on haven, which he transferred to the Divine, but I got the impression that he had no de facto power over it - Josephine tells him that his claim would need to be put forward by the Empress before Ferelden government.
I got the impression that the Avvars ruled the mountains between Ferelden and Orlais. I will think about how to better represent it. Keep the imput coming!
As I said before, province count will be a but up from what's now when I map the Deep Roads, but it will not be much -I also am on the short end of the stick on computer power.
As for the current state of developement: I'm currently polishing the map and adapting events and such to avoid black pop-ups and in short have vanilla-level gameplay stable. Along with and after that, I am adding basic DA features, like mage-templar basic interaction, chantry structure and some Warden-y stuff
Form what I gathered from viewing playthorughs, Some Orlaisian nobleman has a claim on haven, which he transferred to the Divine, but I got the impression that he had no de facto power over it - Josephine tells him that his claim would need to be put forward by the Empress before Ferelden government.
I got the impression that the Avvars ruled the mountains between Ferelden and Orlais. I will think about how to better represent it. Keep the imput coming!
As I said before, province count will be a but up from what's now when I map the Deep Roads, but it will not be much -I also am on the short end of the stick on computer power.
As for the current state of developement: I'm currently polishing the map and adapting events and such to avoid black pop-ups and in short have vanilla-level gameplay stable. Along with and after that, I am adding basic DA features, like mage-templar basic interaction, chantry structure and some Warden-y stuff
As I understand it, Ferelden technically ends on the Frostback Mountains (the Temple of Sacred Ashes is stated to be in Ferelden -- in Last Court, I believe --, as is Haven in the abovementioned conversation). It's very well possibly though that the Orlesian occupation has left a strong implanted population of Orlesian nobles in the west of the country.
Curious about which year this mod will be set in -- I think 9:40 Dragon before the Conclave would be a fine starting date. You've got the civil war in Orlais, the schism of the Chantry, the Mage-Templar War, and there could be event chains for the Inquisition, Hawke and the Warden. In addition, that means about half of Ferelden need not be mapped, as everything at least south of Lothering is blighted land.
Curious about which year this mod will be set in -- I think 9:40 Dragon before the Conclave would be a fine starting date. You've got the civil war in Orlais, the schism of the Chantry, the Mage-Templar War, and there could be event chains for the Inquisition, Hawke and the Warden. In addition, that means about half of Ferelden need not be mapped, as everything at least south of Lothering is blighted land.
@autonomous: Do the mission locations (i.e. The standards and other objects in the images above) come with a name and a description? If you or anyone else could provide both or at least the names, that would be helpful.
@firelorfzuko: I *think* I will firstly go for a pre-Blight scenario as a base framework, and them work on implementing both blights and mage/templar escalation as general features, then set up the specific scenarios.
To be honest, though, I have no experience neither in balancing things nor in scripting wars, so I'm kind on procrastinating on that, covering things like flavor and things to do in peacetime and RP stuff..
To resume, time will tell. Consider too than I have a very limited time schedule to further this project
@firelorfzuko: I *think* I will firstly go for a pre-Blight scenario as a base framework, and them work on implementing both blights and mage/templar escalation as general features, then set up the specific scenarios.
To be honest, though, I have no experience neither in balancing things nor in scripting wars, so I'm kind on procrastinating on that, covering things like flavor and things to do in peacetime and RP stuff..
To resume, time will tell. Consider too than I have a very limited time schedule to further this project
Kind of? Most of the ones you see there are attached to one of the regions previously mentioned. Others occasionally mention a specific location, but usually just the general location or even just the force it's directed against. Worse still, most of them disappear upon completion, and the ones that stick around only let you read the completion notice, not the intro. I will check to see if anything I have still contains anything useful, but I think you really need someone with a fresh game to work from.
I understood that the area itself is Fereldan territory but the village/temple is the property of an Orlesian noble. Kinda like how you can own property in other countries but said properties are still part of that country. Kinda hard to depict in the game anyway. Probably just a claim.
I think the dude is married to the ruler of Haven or something but dont quote me on that, his wife probably died at the conclave which is why he claims it
Not sure but his name is Comte Renald de Mourier on my notes but it may be someone else, his name is mentioned in the beginning of the game.
On a side note theres two other "Val's" thats mentioned that ain't on the Thedas map, they even come with named rulers:
Marquise Effiloche Bouffon of Val Gamord (more likely owning the Gamordan peaks west of Val Firmin, at least we know the name of its main holding)
^Duchy of Gamord probably doesn't exist considering she owns the main holding
Duke Alvin Blanchard of Val Montaigne (war table info/icon says Lake Celestine, so my guess would between Val Firmin and Val Foret)
I reckon these lesser Val's are smaller cities, given they weren't mentioned on the main map we have.
Also, there should be a province called Calon in the north eastern bannorn. In the existing ck2 map its about inbetween where Oswin and Rossleigh is, I know Oswin is a canon place but it doesnt have an actual location (at least i dont think so)
Rossleigh should be on the West Road in Ferelden since its on the way to Lothering on this tale Inquisition also borked around the rivers a bit so that's helpful:
Potatoes
I'll make a list later with all this stuff since I probably missed alot of things, I have quite a bit of named noble characters without info of where they rule either
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Thanks for the info! Actually, the man that claims ownership of Haven is Marquis DuRellion. Thanks for the notice on lesser Orlesian cities. I cannot avoid noticin the huge amount of Val's cities and the correspondingly big number of Mont-s dynasties. It seems like in ancient times, would-be Orlesians were mountain peoples like the Alamarri who sedentarised in the valleys. Also, there is a Val Dorm in Tevinter, so maybe there should be some cultural mixing up there?
Never heard of Val Dorm, I just thought Val was just Orlesian prefix for actual cities.
Even if there was some Orlesian-precursor blood in Val Dorm, traces of it would have been wiped out by the Tevinters by now
Spoilerish War Table request that I missed:
Can someone look through the Lydes Succession war table storyline and document it, im about at the end of the quest line and I have no notes at all about it lol
Lydes was ruled by the late Duke Remache (an ally of Grand Duke Gaspard de Chalons), not sure about this but apparently Gaspard's sister was Grand Duchess of Lydes so the two might have married. Possible successors for Lydes include Jean-Gaspard (no idea what title), Caralina or Monette. Caralina plays the game well and Monette has a chantry background if that helps narrow the quest down.
Lydes was ruled by the late Duke Remache (an ally of Grand Duke Gaspard de Chalons), not sure about this but apparently Gaspard's sister was Grand Duchess of Lydes so the two might have married. Possible successors for Lydes include Jean-Gaspard (no idea what title), Caralina or Monette. Caralina plays the game well and Monette has a chantry background if that helps narrow the quest down.
Yeah, I know the one you mean, but I can't remember much about it either. I do remember that Monette is the daughter and heir apparent. And also a naif?
re: Haven: that was not actually what I was referring to by "there are a few war table missions in the area that seem to involve Orlesian-esque lords". There was one I remember about some guy wanting you to help him hunt a Wyvern in exchange for some favour? I forget now.
Though, now that you bring up Haven dude, Josie does mention that the Empress would have to intercede with Ferelden for the claim to be recognised, doesn't she? So Haven is, at the very least, de jure Ferelden.
Iunno, the impression I got in Origins is that barely anyone remembered the town existed. I imagine the royal writ runs thing that far west.
Yeah I agree that that Haven is definitely de-jure Ferelden despite the fact the "ruler" is Orlesian, and that in fact leaves him mostly unable to do anything as Celene is not interested in the matter. The cultists and the fact barely anyone cared about the area might be the reason this hasn't been solved earlier, from the dialogue I get the impression the guy only decided to show up with his claim because of all of a sudden that remote land he never cared about became a holy site and headquarters of the new Inquisition.
EDIT: Ngppgn sent you a friendship request on steam and I've actually finished the game and can have look at my almost complete Codex should you need any info. There is quite a bit of information on Tevinter and some other areas that were virtually unknown in the other games.
EDIT: Ngppgn sent you a friendship request on steam and I've actually finished the game and can have look at my almost complete Codex should you need any info. There is quite a bit of information on Tevinter and some other areas that were virtually unknown in the other games.
Not to mention Orlais. Dorian's companion conversations alone are a treasure trove of political and societal information on Tevinter.
Adding to Haven, I replayed the beginning of the game earlier and the Marquis DuRellion says that he holds the place de jure uxoris from a Lady Wotsherface of Denerim. Which makes Josephine's reply a bit weird, since it implies husbands in Orlais have more rights over their wives' holdings than those in Ferelden.
Glad I saw this before I had played past it. Here are the Lydes events.
I hope it helps! I know the picture cut out the signature portion, file is to large. But I have it and can tell you what the rest is.
Thanks for the help guys, so from what I can infer Monette is the daughter of Duke Remache, Caralina is Remache's sister and maybe Jean-Gaspard is his brother??
I think there is a quest before it where you have to remove one of them, if anyone has info from that initial quest line that would be great
@wiglof11 Does the signature perhaps mention a surname or something?
I think there is a quest before it where you have to remove one of them, if anyone has info from that initial quest line that would be great
@wiglof11 Does the signature perhaps mention a surname or something?
do you guys have anything planned as for going on adventures seeking riches and glory?
It does indeed. The signature is as follows "Yours in friendship, Duke Jean-Gaspard De Lydes"