[MOD] The Prince and the Thane - 1.092 Only

[Gingerninja]

What happened to the Holy orders in the new version?

EDIT: Lack of answers makes me want to elaborate. Used to be I could ask the pope for permission to found new holy orders. Being king of Spain, I had 5 OP holy orders at my disposal. After updating the decisions to form Holy Orders are no longer there. Was it removed?

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[Roald]

This is a really excellent mod, it makes the game infinitely more enjoyable than vanilla. With that said, I'll move onto some things that I've noticed.

For some reason, in most of the intrigue pop-ups about people plotting, the word "ENGLISH" is added to the back end of the names of the people involved. It'll say something along the lines of 'Droungarios SoandsoENGLISH is plotting to do a bad thing."

Also, there are some strange cases of duchies having de jure cities, baronies or churches that lie outside of their actual territory. One of the southern Hungarian duchies has this over one such holding in northern de jure Serbia, and I think the Duchy of Alania has one for a temple in Georgia. It's relatively easy to tell because when you click the title to get the de jure territory outlined with the de jure mapmode off, you'll see that the de jure territory boundary sneaks off into some other duchy or kingdom where it really shouldn't go.

Additionally, is there any reason that the AI doesn't immediately force it's target to surrender when it's not using an invasion casus belli or something? Sarkel has been attempting to conquer the poor little Khazar guy at 100% warscore for a number of months in my most recent game, and for some reason it just didn't want to have peace declared. I've seen the Kingdom of Sicily do the same when conquering the muslim-held areas of Sicily, but that was in an earlier version. Incidentally, why isn't the Khazar Khaganate formable?

Also bump.

 

[unmerged(208745)]

What happened to the Holy orders in the new version?

EDIT: Lack of answers makes me want to elaborate. Used to be I could ask the pope for permission to found new holy orders. Being king of Spain, I had 5 OP holy orders at my disposal. After updating the decisions to form Holy Orders are no longer there. Was it removed?

You can't found a holy order if you founded one already in your lifetime. There was a glitch before that sometimes let you found the same order more than once, but now that it's fixed everything is working ok.

This is a really excellent mod, it makes the game infinitely more enjoyable than vanilla. With that said, I'll move onto some things that I've noticed.

For some reason, in most of the intrigue pop-ups about people plotting, the word "ENGLISH" is added to the back end of the names of the people involved. It'll say something along the lines of 'Droungarios SoandsoENGLISH is plotting to do a bad thing."

Also, there are some strange cases of duchies having de jure cities, baronies or churches that lie outside of their actual territory. One of the southern Hungarian duchies has this over one such holding in northern de jure Serbia, and I think the Duchy of Alania has one for a temple in Georgia. It's relatively easy to tell because when you click the title to get the de jure territory outlined with the de jure mapmode off, you'll see that the de jure territory boundary sneaks off into some other duchy or kingdom where it really shouldn't go.

Additionally, is there any reason that the AI doesn't immediately force it's target to surrender when it's not using an invasion casus belli or something? Sarkel has been attempting to conquer the poor little Khazar guy at 100% warscore for a number of months in my most recent game, and for some reason it just didn't want to have peace declared. I've seen the Kingdom of Sicily do the same when conquering the muslim-held areas of Sicily, but that was in an earlier version. Incidentally, why isn't the Khazar Khaganate formable?

Yeah there are some glitches with tooltips and such, where it gives you ENGLISH instead of the tooltip, not sure why. The tooltip/text is there and is correct, but somehow the game just bullshits me. Same with the wars not ending, even if there sometimes you just have to wait, since the AI weight for accepting defeat for some cbs is not just 100%.

About the holdings outside the de jure borders, which ones are you speaking of? It might be a bug, or it might not be.

And the Khazar Khaganate is not formable because at gamestart it already barely existed, and the Khazars get ideally wiped out with no Khaganate, so who should be able to form it?

 

[TheGreatSnoop]

Just wondering, would using a minor mod that modifies the appearance of one of the portrait packs DLCs, in an already on-going game using TP&TT, cause any problems to that game or would I have to start a new character/dynasty?

 

[unmerged(208745)]

Just wondering, would using a minor mod that modifies the appearance of one of the portrait packs DLCs, in an already on-going game using TP&TT, cause any problems to that game or would I have to start a new character/dynasty?

You should be fine.

 

[TheGreatSnoop]

You should be fine.

Cool, i'll try it out, thanks for the quick reply!

 

[Gingerninja]

You can't found a holy order if you founded one already in your lifetime. There was a glitch before that sometimes let you found the same order more than once, but now that it's fixed everything is working ok.

I can't found any orders at all, and looking at the Holy Orders tab, no one else can either. When I said "Used to" that was the previous version I had installed. 2.0.3 or sumfin. I'm guess this is not WAD. Am I the only one this happens to? The only Holy Orders are the three standard vanilla ones.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

I can't found any orders at all, and looking at the Holy Orders tab, no one else can either. When I said "Used to" that was the previous version I had installed. 2.0.3 or sumfin. I'm guess this is not WAD. Am I the only one this happens to? The only Holy Orders are the three standard vanilla ones.

Did you read the 3rd OP ?

Creatable Holy Orders:

There are 16 creatable holy orders creatable via decision. You can create them starting at year 1090 if you are a catholic ruler of a higher tier than duke, you completely control their province of origin, have 2 years of income at hand and 1000 prestige. Once you create an order, your ruler won't be able to create another one in his lifetime, even if he has the requirements. When you click on the decision, the pope will decide on granting you the authorization for the fouding, and if he does so you will be able to found the order of your choice which will be given their barony of origin, the grandmaster title and a county depending on the avaiability, or if it's a capital or not. The newly generated grandmaster will be vassalized by you, and you will be able to raise the order at a much reduced piety hit, and manteinance costs.

Though i have no idea if this is still up to date.

 

[Roald]

About the holdings outside the de jure borders, which ones are you speaking of? It might be a bug, or it might not be.

I've been able to find that the city of Zemun physically in the County of Singidounon is for some reason de jure a part of the County of Szerem, and the Mosque of Tkhabayerdy physically in the County of Simsir is de jure a part of the County of Alania. I also think that the County of Chortitza wrongly is the de jure owner of a holding within the County of Lukoml, but I don't think that holding exists at the start date.

And the Khazar Khaganate is not formable because at gamestart it already barely existed, and the Khazars get ideally wiped out with no Khaganate, so who should be able to form it?

Me, of course.

 

[unmerged(208745)]

I've been able to find that the city of Zemun physically in the County of Singidounon is for some reason de jure a part of the County of Szerem, and the Mosque of Tkhabayerdy physically in the County of Simsir is de jure a part of the County of Alania. I also think that the County of Chortitza wrongly is the de jure owner of a holding within the County of Lukoml, but I don't think that holding exists at the start date.



Me, of course.

Thanks, I'll fix it. Also I'll probably make the Khaganate creatable once TOG is out and there are more khazars on the scene.

 

[PaladinJohn]

I recently got into this game and I ran into an issue the other night but I'm not completely sure if it is an issue with The Prince and the Thane or base CKII.

I'm playing as a Scot-Gael king who owns all of Scotland, Wales, England, and Ireland, and even Iceland and parts of France, yet I don't have the option to create Britannia. Preliminary research leads me to believe that the Scot-Gael culture is not valid to form Britannia, but I'm not entirely positive. It could also be a bug as I encountered a few others such as being unable to change my laws from Gavelkind to Primogeniture despite having High Crown Law because the game did not recognize that I had High Crown Authority under the requirements.

 

[Beric Dondarion]

I recently got into this game and I ran into an issue the other night but I'm not completely sure if it is an issue with The Prince and the Thane or base CKII.

I'm playing as a Scot-Gael king who owns all of Scotland, Wales, England, and Ireland, and even Iceland and parts of France, yet I don't have the option to create Britannia. Preliminary research leads me to believe that the Scot-Gael culture is not valid to form Britannia, but I'm not entirely positive. It could also be a bug as I encountered a few others such as being unable to change my laws from Gavelkind to Primogeniture despite having High Crown Law because the game did not recognize that I had High Crown Authority under the requirements.

Which version do you happen to be using? The current one should be a decision in your intrigue tab.

 

[PaladinJohn]

Looks like 2.0.6. I didn't even realize there was a new version out. I'll have to upgrade and see if that fixes it when I get the opportunity to play later this week.

I do recall checking the intrigue tab and did not find that option with the version that I'm currently running, however. Thanks for the swift reply!

 

[jaucisse]

Ever since the updated map, it's no longer possible to reform the Schism. The Patriarchate of Alexandria doesn't exist even if you capture Alexandria. You get the Pop-up that the Patriarchate was restored but when you look in the religion tab it says it has no holder.

 

[Trashed]

Ever since the updated map, it's no longer possible to reform the Schism. The Patriarchate of Alexandria doesn't exist even if you capture Alexandria. You get the Pop-up that the Patriarchate was restored but when you look in the religion tab it says it has no holder.

You can edit history\provinces\802 - Alexandria.txt to mark b_alexandria as back to being a temple, though this will only affect new games.

 

[Evander]

I'm advertising a little but I've done a map replacement mod for SWMH and it happens to be fully compatible with tPtT. For those who desire a more realistic-looking map with all the cool stuff of tPtT !

 

[Drakken]

What exactly does the "Get Revenge against XYZ" plot actually do? I've had it for several characters, sometimes up to to 300% for some, and it never fired up for me.

 

[firelordzuko]

What exactly does the "Get Revenge against XYZ" plot actually do? I've had it for several characters, sometimes up to to 300% for some, and it never fired up for me.

It varies, I think. On one occasion, I found out that one of my target's children actually was a bastard, and he was flagged thus. On another, I had a ... party. If you have read the ASoIaF books, I'll call it a Red Wedding.

 

[Teutonic_Thrash]

What exactly does the "Get Revenge against XYZ" plot actually do? I've had it for several characters, sometimes up to to 300% for some, and it never fired up for me.

I got castrated by an enticing wench.

 

[unmerged(208745)]

It varies, I think. On one occasion, I found out that one of my target's children actually was a bastard, and he was flagged thus. On another, I had a ... party. If you have read the ASoIaF books, I'll call it a Red Wedding.

I got castrated by an enticing wench.

Two of my favorite events, the invitations have the vanilla desc and options unless you have high intrigue or are very very paranoid, so most of the times you won't know what's happening until it's too late. I'll add more eventually, but I'm lacking ideas. If anyone has a nice revenge idea let me know.

Also, it is kind of like the red wedding, but I actually got inspired by the scandinavian blood feasts. The castration I just thought would be funny.

Oh and I forgot, if you end up killing the revenge target in a duel or in a tournament or what not, the plot is still completed.