[MOD] The Prince and the Thane - 1.092 Only

[viola]

So, does the mod change the decadence system?

 

[tokle]

What titular empires are there in this mod? I see there are only three de jure empires, but I was wondering if I could create, say, some sort of Wendish Empire?

This gets asked quite a lot, maybe Idib should put this info on the front page?

 

[Azarias59]

BUG:

The HRE granted me a duchy, and I can't revoke or imprison my new vassal. It says it is because it is 'not my direct vassal'. But, it is my direct vassal!!!

 

[iraqvet23]

So this is an amazing mod, it is all I play, however this happened, anyway I can fix this?

Edit: I should add that this occurred after winning a war over succession.

 

[unmerged(208745)]

BUG:

The HRE granted me a duchy, and I can't revoke or imprison my new vassal. It says it is because it is 'not my direct vassal'. But, it is my direct vassal!!!

Which duchy is it? Is it titular or de-jure?

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So this is an amazing mod, it is all I play, however this happened, anyway I can fix this?

Edit: I should add that this occurred after winning a war over succession.

Is it something you can replicate? I suggest you save and re-start, but of course I'll look into it

 

[Polskers]

I too would like to know, Idib, is it supposed to be that Republican estates cannot be upgraded? I can't either in my version. Not sure what the issue is, if there is a missing file or something...

 

[iraqvet23]

Which duchy is it? Is it titular or de-jure?



Is it something you can replicate? I suggest you save and re-start, but of course I'll look into it

I did save and restart, and it is fine now. If it happens again, I will try to pay more attention to what event it may have fired.

 

[unmerged(208745)]

I too would like to know, Idib, is it supposed to be that Republican estates cannot be upgraded? I can't either in my version. Not sure what the issue is, if there is a missing file or something...

It's my mistake, fixed for next version. If you wanna fix it manually you gotta go to the vanilla files, find the family palace buildings and copy them over to any of the building files in the mod, together with their category string.

 

[PatrickB92]

This gets asked quite a lot, maybe Idib should put this info on the front page?

oh yes pleease

 

[Polskers]

I've figured out a temporary solution for the issue of not being able to build buildings in Republican estate holdings.

Download the attached file & place it in Documents/Paradox/CK2/Mod/TPATT/Common/Buildings folder.

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Edit post - Idib, I did just that. Made a separated file. Feel free to attach it to the new version.

 

[tokle]

I have a thought about the titular empires; The current requirements are very specific, they only allow for their creation in very narrow circumstances. So, where you have the list of kingdoms required to create the title, I would replace the AND strings with OR. It doesn't make it any easier to create the empires, it just creates more varied possibilities. What do you think?

 

[Comm Cody]

Has the game freezing up been solved yet?

 

[Bumgall]

Are there events to weaken the byzantines, such as suljuk invasion, rum formation, etc. or should I start at a start date with rum?

 

[ssj18vegeta]

It's my mistake, fixed for next version. If you wanna fix it manually you gotta go to the vanilla files, find the family palace buildings and copy them over to any of the building files in the mod, together with their category string.

Stop teasing us with the next version! ;-)

 

[Naoki]

Well if a majority of people wants the mod to revert to its state before I joined, I suppose I'd rather know right now before I put any more work into this. Like I told Idib, my modding work is often controversial and always have strong opponents but at least with MEIOU I had a few months before people start rioting and ask me out.

while for me the "de Navarra" was also very weird, I will gladly submit to the more historical variant. So please keep it on

 

[Solo_Adhémar]

I've spent hours looking at Capets and Jimenas. New setup feels refreshing. Not to mention, they really wouldn't call themselves so at the time. Some dynasties called themselves after their founder, but most (if we're talking west) were named after the land they ruled.

Actually, they wouldn't use dynastic names as surnames at all, "de Bourgogne", "of Normandy", "von Whatever" rather stood for the person's relation to the holder of that land. Geoffrey d'Anjou was "of Anjou" in the sense of being ruler of that land (and/or being born there), his unlanded relatives were d'Anjou in the sense of being related to the count of Anjou.
Surnames are much later invention. In middle ages, you'd have a name, sometimes a nickname, possibly followed by "innkeeper's bastard son". If you were nobility, you had a dynastic title by the land you or your family ruled.

So on my part, thank you Solo.

You sum up things pretty well. But I want to develop further and point to the fact that I'm only doing that in places and for names that functionned like this. There are dynastic surnames in France, although they are only really common in the occitan and francoprovençal cultures, you can still find some of those in northern France (fairly common in Normandy and Picardie) as early as the 11th century and often even translate into emblematics later. The irony is that those were often given a particle by modern historians which I usually have to correct back to the regular historical surname : de Candavène in Picardie, d'Allemand and de Bérenger in Viennois, d'Adhémar and de Bastet in Provence, de Taisson and de Bertrand in Normandy.

Now blame the game for a flawed system in which the name by which you identify a dynasty is the same as the name used by any individual generated from it. Guilhèm Bosonid is gibberish, Hugues Karling is gibberish, Sancho Jimena is gibberish, Gargamel Capet is ridiculous gibberish (I had to place that Gargamel somewhere hehe).

"Les capétiens", or "la dynastie capétienne" are perfectly acceptable academic forms and even the most commonly used but you can't take "capétienne" like that, out of context, and make it a dynastic name like they did for "dinastía Jimena". I understand there's no gender for proper names in english but that doesn't mean you can ignore it when borrowing from languages that do. The same way you can't take an english academic form like Bosonid and use it with modern occitan first names and expect the result to sound anywhere near a medieval name or even a modern academic form : it's either Guilhelmes de Proensa (and good luck to make a consistent list) or Guillaume de Provence but certainly not Guilhèm Bosonid (accents = not medieval for starters).

 

[Alrekulfr]

Damn it, idib! Post some lists of titular empires and requirements. I want to revive Velká Morava.

 

[Polskers]

I think Solo & Halajda have summed it up very nicely for those who are in opposition to it. Some names are really just modernist inventions and have just stuck. Same as with an empire such as the Byzantines. They wouldn't have called themselves such during their existence.

 

[Kerepsak]

I've found another bug.
After building city of jaslo in sacz province you can't build any improvement in it, nor you can grant city to someone else.

 

[Nax24]

Hey, can you form empires in this? When I click dejure empires, it only shows HRE and ere