[MOD] The Prince and the Thane - 1.092 Only

[viola]

Does this mod changes how Muslim decadence works?

 

[holland883]

thank you

 

[Halajda]

Hello
I'm unable to form the kingdom of Cyprus, is there any sort of special requirements to form it or only the ones listed?
I have all of those requirement fulfilled to the point where it doesn't seem like it could be them preventing me.

to create any kingdom, you need 2 ducal titles

 

[Lofychewim]

Yes I have all of the counties need as well as three ducal titles two of which are part of the kingdom. I have piety and enough money.
I'm a vassal to the byzantine empire but I can't see how that would be an issue unless crown authority is important and to the best of my knowledge it isn't.

 

[postm00v]

I'm not sure if it's intentional, but England is called Englaland. It sounds like an amusement park.

 

[Halajda]

Yes I have all of the counties need as well as three ducal titles two of which are part of the kingdom. I have piety and enough money.
I'm a vassal to the byzantine empire but I can't see how that would be an issue unless crown authority is important and to the best of my knowledge it isn't.

To form Kingdom of Cyprus, you can't be Byzzie vassal, it's in the requirements. That has to do that the historical Kingdom of Cyprus was rather formed by crusaders after they... ehm, took over the island from Byzzies. Under byzzies, Cyprus was a theme (duchy).

I'm not sure if it's intentional, but England is called Englaland. It sounds like an amusement park.

WAD. It's contemporary name. "England" originated as "Angle Land"

 

[Lofychewim]

Ok thanks I was afraid it was that.

 

[LordGreyjoy]

Capet is only the personnal nickname of Hugues Capet (remember in his time almost everyone had a personnal nickname), no other individual ever used it in the dynasty before it was used at the revolution ... to ridicule the king during his trial. In the mind of the french people, heraldry and the particle system were strongly (wrongfully though) associated with the idea of nobility and the taking down of both was systematic. In the end, it's a exactly like renaming the Hauteville dynasty to "Bras-de-fer" or "Guiscard" : if some historian would decide to do that in the XVIIth or XVIIIth century, that doesn't make it any historical, just like the Byzantine Empire.

Philippe Capet, Sancho Jimena or Robèrt Bosonid are individual names that would never exist in any context (not even modern academic papers since they are incorrect in grammar or form) and since there's no way to distinguish the name of the dynasty from the name the individuals use ingame we're stuck with choosing one or the other. I thought people were against any kind of modern apocryphal name like Byzantine Empire but if the majority of players want them it's still possible go the other way, but careful what you wish for : there are hundreds of them and since first names are very repetitive there will be many identical dynastic names like Rodolphians or Willelmids.

As for the counts of Toulouse and Provence having identical arms : they used the bosonid cross of Provence as their emblem and had no other one. So did the cadet branches of all the families having a claim to Provence (counts of Forcalquier, viscounts of Marseille, the lords of Baux and Monteil). Those are the arms of the Marquisate of Provence which was at the center of the dynastic conflicts in Provence in the XIth and XIIth centuries. It's also no coincidence that the city of Pisa chose a very close design as it was the capital of the Marquisate of Tuscany (before the game timeframe), ruled by the same dynasty.

So, Adhémar, you could make something like a sub-mod for TPTT that replaces these dynasties with the 1.09 names (and the Bosonid CoA), cause playing with House "de France" and "de Navarra" feels a bit weird.

 

[Mattobro]

So, Adhémar, you could make something like a sub-mod for TPTT that replaces these dynasties with the 1.09 names (and the Bosonid CoA), cause playing with House "de France" and "de Navarra" feels a bit weird.

You can change it by going into TPaTT's dynasties.txt file and CTRL+F searching for "de france" and "de navarra" then changing them back to Capet and Jimena. I can verify this works, as I do it with every new release of TPaTT

 

[Solo_Adhémar]

Well if a majority of people wants the mod to revert to its state before I joined, I suppose I'd rather know right now before I put any more work into this. Like I told Idib, my modding work is often controversial and always have strong opponents but at least with MEIOU I had a few months before people start rioting and ask me out.

 

[Mattobro]

Well if a majority of people wants the mod to revert to its state before I joined, I suppose I'd rather know right now before I put any more work into this. Like I told Idib, my modding work is often controversial and always have strong opponents but at least with MEIOU I had a few months before people start rioting and ask me out.

No! Solo I absolutely love your work. The GUI is beautiful and I'd be very upset if you left the project. People always nitpick stuff no matter what it is, You're only doing the right thing by making more historical names and COA's. If people dislike them, all it takes is literally 5 minutes to go into a text file and change a few lines of writing. that's what I do instead of bitching about it to the mod author when the entire purpose of the mod is more historicity.

So TL;DR, Don't take it to heart man, keep your chin up. People will always critique an artists work if they don't like something. I'm sure everyone appreicates your work and would like you to stay with the TPaTT.

EDIT: Besides, the original context of the mod was to make the game more historical, among other things, was it not? So I don't think peoples arguments about the dynasty names are valid in this regard.

 

[Halajda]

I've spent hours looking at Capets and Jimenas. New setup feels refreshing. Not to mention, they really wouldn't call themselves so at the time. Some dynasties called themselves after their founder, but most (if we're talking west) were named after the land they ruled.

Actually, they wouldn't use dynastic names as surnames at all, "de Bourgogne", "of Normandy", "von Whatever" rather stood for the person's relation to the holder of that land. Geoffrey d'Anjou was "of Anjou" in the sense of being ruler of that land (and/or being born there), his unlanded relatives were d'Anjou in the sense of being related to the count of Anjou.
Surnames are much later invention. In middle ages, you'd have a name, sometimes a nickname, possibly followed by "innkeeper's bastard son". If you were nobility, you had a dynastic title by the land you or your family ruled.

So on my part, thank you Solo.

 

[Alrekulfr]

What titular empires are there in this mod? I see there are only three de jure empires, but I was wondering if I could create, say, some sort of Wendish Empire?

Also, feasts are broken.

In reply to Halajda, the dynastic names varied more from culture to culture. For example, the dukes and kings of the Premyslids would style themselves as "Přemysl" and then whatever their name was.

 

[Sir Antou]

Absolutely not! Your effort contributed largely to this mod and I would not want to miss it!

 

[martindoublem]

What titular empires are there in this mod? I see there are only three de jure empires, but I was wondering if I could create, say, some sort of Wendish Empire?

Also, feasts are broken.

In reply to Halajda, the dynastic names varied more from culture to culture. For example, the dukes and kings of the Premyslids would style themselves as "Přemsyl" and then whatever their name was.

Feast seems to work fine here when playing with a republic.

I was however wondering if when playing with a republic it is normal not to be able to found a holy order or organize a tournament.

Solo, I posted a solution for the palace glitch earlier. Thanks for all the work, it is great, I am having a lot of fun rediscovering this game!

 

[Halajda]

In reply to Halajda, the dynastic names varied more from culture to culture. For example, the dukes and kings of the Premyslids would style themselves as "Přemsyl" and then whatever their name was.

Thank you for updating me on my own country's history...

Seriously though, I wrote "some dynasties called themselves after their founder". This is the case with Přemyslids, legendarily founded by Přemysl Oráč.

 

[Polskers]

Solo, I would say keep it as it is, but add an option for those who may want dynastic names back to the state they were before you joined. Personally, I like the new names & find them refreshing & accurate, so I would say keep them as they are. But others will always want change, and that doesn't reflect my opinion. I would say keep, but add an option.

 

[AgentBuckshotMo]

What file do I need to change to remove the attrition while at sea?

Edit: Never mind. NAVAL_ATTRITION in defines.lua

 

[Beric Dondarion]

The Opinion of Liege does not display modifiers when hovered over while on a vassal's character page.

 

[Imperator1993]

Are the family homes of the republics not supposed to be upgraded or is it a bug?