[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience

[Thure]

why did you separate the Lombards/Langobards in Italy in 2 cultures? The fact that they sort of politically split at a certain point doesn't mean their culture did.

I think Lombard mean here Romano-Italian.

 

[theKing1988]

I think Lombard mean here Romano-Italian.

That was my impression too, the Langobards are Germano-Italians (who have been put in the Italian culture-group to give the culture a fighting chance) and the Lombardo are Romano-Italians and living in Northern Italy too.

 

[Onedreamer]

First of all "romano-italians" would live everywhere in Italy not just in Lombardy.
Second here's what I read:
Langobardo(southern Lombards)
Lombardo(northern Lombards)

The distinction between southern and northern Lombards is purely political not cultural. That's what I was saying.

 

[Aasmul]

First of all "romano-italians" would live everywhere in Italy not just in Lombardy.
Second here's what I read:
Langobardo(southern Lombards)
Lombardo(northern Lombards)

The distinction between southern and northern Lombards is purely political not cultural. That's what I was saying.

I have to disagree, the northern ones were reshaped by their absorbition into the realm of Charlemagne and subsequently the HRE. They got heavily influenced by the Frankish due to the reorganiztion that came with integration into the empire and also due to the big amount of intermarriges between the franko/germanic nobility and the local north Lombardic nobility.
The southern ones on the other hand got to preserve their culture relatively intact. Had it been 800AD then they would still have been the same, but in 1066 one would not have been able to pass for the other.

 

[Onedreamer]

When Charlemagne took north and central Italy he replaced almost all nobility so I wouldn't call it "integration". In general I would agree with you, but then IF the Lombards would have been so quickly integrated (which I have no evidences that prove it) then they couldn't be called Lombards and all these cultures should likewise not exist, not in 1066:
Veneto(Venetian)
Toscano(Tuscan)
Ligure(Ligurian)
Langobardo(southern Lombards)
Lombardo(northern Lombards)
Mediano(central Italian)
Meridionale(south Italian)
Neapolitano(Neapolitan)

In 1066 you have what you can call an "italian" or "italic" population, with noticable differences only due south, a frankish nobility in the north, a greco-roman nobility in Latium and a few bordering areas, Lombard nobility in what is now the region Campania and some byzantine enclaves in the south, well represented in vanilla by provinces with greek culture surviving. Plus the quickly expanding Normans.

 

[Aasmul]

When Charlemagne took north and central Italy he replaced almost all nobility so I wouldn't call it "integration". In general I would agree with you, but then IF the Lombards would have been so quickly integrated (which I have no evidences that prove it) then they couldn't be called Lombards and all these cultures should likewise not exist, not in 1066:
Veneto(Venetian)
Toscano(Tuscan)
Ligure(Ligurian)
Langobardo(southern Lombards)
Lombardo(northern Lombards)
Mediano(central Italian)
Meridionale(south Italian)
Neapolitano(Neapolitan)

In 1066 you have what you can call an "italian" or "italic" population, with noticable differences only due south, a frankish nobility in the north, a greco-roman nobility in Latium and a few bordering areas, Lombard nobility in what is now the region Campania and some byzantine enclaves in the south, well represented in vanilla by provinces with greek culture surviving. Plus the quickly expanding Normans.

I really don't agree

All of the culture have their place in the game period of 1066-1453, and most makes good sense from day one. Yes Neapolitan makes zero sense in 1066 but thats also why it dosn't arrive ingame until a good part into the period.

 

[Damocles]

When Charlemagne took north and central Italy he replaced almost all nobility so I wouldn't call it "integration". In general I would agree with you, but then IF the Lombards would have been so quickly integrated (which I have no evidences that prove it) then they couldn't be called Lombards and all these cultures should likewise not exist, not in 1066:
Veneto(Venetian)
Toscano(Tuscan)
Ligure(Ligurian)
Langobardo(southern Lombards)
Lombardo(northern Lombards)
Mediano(central Italian)
Meridionale(south Italian)
Neapolitano(Neapolitan)

In 1066 you have what you can call an "italian" or "italic" population, with noticable differences only due south, a frankish nobility in the north, a greco-roman nobility in Latium and a few bordering areas, Lombard nobility in what is now the region Campania and some byzantine enclaves in the south, well represented in vanilla by provinces with greek culture surviving. Plus the quickly expanding Normans.

I know what you're getting at here, but so far as culture actually works in the game, and the limitation of the engine, the way it's set is the best that CK can possibly replicate the real-life situation. But speaking as an actual CK2 Beta, who had experienced heartache about the game's starting cultural setup in Italy since like a year before it was even released, vanilla cannot compare with SWMH in any respect related to cultures and provinces. And I pushed just for a North and South distinction at the very least.

I think you're underestimating just how distinct these populations were, especially North to South. Are one or two of them a bit too specific for the general public? Sure. But it adds to the charm.

 

[Bad_Haggis]

Sounds great but is it possible without doing a complete integration?:unsure:

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I don't know yet, it's primarily the map that I want to make it compatable with, lux uses it's own set of cultures and titles.

 

[theKing1988]

I don't know yet, it's primarily the map that I want to make it compatable with, lux uses it's own set of cultures and titles.

The map is gorgeous, isn't it ?

 

[Bad_Haggis]

The map is gorgeous, isn't it ?

Exactly the reason I want to make Lux playable on it

I really like the free city counties as well, which would be independent republics.

 

[eidur]

I wonder if SWMH will be compatible with republics DLC..

 

[theKing1988]

I wonder if SWMH will be compatible with republics DLC..

So far Aasmul have shown no sign of stopping the development of the mod, so i would very much assume that it is going to be once the republic dlc gets released.

 

[hansa_LP89]

Another small suggestion for Northern Germany:

Province 261 : c_hamburg which is called "Stormarn" ingame could be renamed to "Hamburg" with the following barronies:

b_(hamburg)altstadt --> Temple (the Bishopric of Hamburg)
b_(hamburg)neustadt --> either City or Castle (the ducal part of hamburg) (partition of Hamburg happened around 1060)
b_bergedorf (mentioned as in the 12. century as "Bergerdorp")
b_harburg
b_altona
from the original you could use:
b_hachede
b_blankenese

All these Baronies are more or less part of nowadays Hamburg, exept hachede (today Geesthacht) but not Segeberg, Steinburg, Oldesloe und Buxtehude.

Im sorry for being nit-picking but i'm a bit of a local patriot


I also added german job titles (and corrected a small typo "dansih" instead of "danish") to jobs and minor titles.csv
View attachment Jobs and minor titles.7z

 

[Andrzej I]

It does seem a little weird, too, that Hamburg has no port on this map. Could we somehow make the Stormarn / Hamburg province coastal, given its prominence as a port city?

 

[Thure]

It does seem a little weird, too, that Hamburg has no port on this map. Could we somehow make the Stormarn / Hamburg province coastal, given its prominence as a port city?

He could make the Elbe to a sea, until Hamburg. I had make this in my mod. Hamburg must be a coastal province.

 

[hansa_LP89]

That would be awesome, especially for a possible Hanseatic League in the upcoming DLC.

 

[ShovelMonkey]

Hi guys, I was wondering if I have a go at trying to create a sub-mod of Lux Invicta to be compatible with your map?

OMG you would be my hero if you pull this off!

 

[Polskers]

Happy Holidays guys! I've been on a bit of a holiday myself, but wondering how the development is going & how we're all doing.

 

[theKing1988]

Happy Holidays guys! I've been on a bit of a holiday myself, but wondering how the development is going & how we're all doing.

The new release should be here any moment now, Aasmul and Axl ran into a couple of bugs that pushed it back a couple of days, but the last i heard they just needed to merge their work.

 

[Barón Rojo]

Are you planning to change the map projection? It is kinda horrible looking at the Caucasus now.

BTW, the proper term for someone of Al-Andalus is Andalusí, not Andaluz.