I wonder how much the Vlach would have had acces to enter the nobility or at least the middlepart of society:unsure: the Hungarian kingdom were famed for being tolerant but how far it went haven't got any idea of.
[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience
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What i have read myself to, is that quite big waves of vlach refugees started to arrive in the aftermath of the mongol invasion (1250 approximately). The Transylvanian highlands were much safer than the Danubian Basin (Moldavia and Wallachia) and they were quite depopulated from the devastation that the mongols brought with them. They apparantly started to arrive in such big numbers that the Hungarian royal authorities took steps to drive them out of the area again (according to the documents they were very much unwanted elements). Most Vlach nobles were then either driven back to the Danube or converted to Catholicism in order for them to gain favour with the Hungarians. The common Vlachs that fled into the highlands at this point was permitted to stay though, the region was very depopulated and subjects mean income, so i guess that the Hungarian only found Vlach nobles problematic
Before this point the only mention of the regions demography is when the Hungarian crown called in the Szeklers and the Saxons to populate the region and defend the border, so it would seem that the region was sparsely populated for quite a long time.
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Sounds like the Vlach is well enough represented then, maybe adding Szeklers would be an idea, but that would mean keeping the Magyars out of the south Slavic goup though.
Nothing a wooden stick can't sort outi guess that the Hungarian only found Vlach nobles problematic
Just some details I would like to point out regarding the Portuguese regions and possible changes if you feel like it.
- Portuguese write Thomar without the h, so it would be Tomar. Tomar also belongs to the Santarém District.: It would look best to maybe rename it to Santarém.)
- Trancoso belongs to the Guarda District.: Maybe rename it to Guarda?
- Mértola belongs to the Beja District.: Renaming Beja to Odemira would be more accurate. (or do something like the suggestion bellow)
- Silves belongs to the Faro District.: If I had to recommend any changes, maybe join up the two regions and give them 4/5 slots. (other option would be renaming Faro to Loulé)
- Braga and Bragança are really close so looking at the map it would look better to rename it to Vila Real.
- Oporto is written without the first O in Portuguese btw.
- Portuguese write Thomar without the h, so it would be Tomar. Tomar also belongs to the Santarém District.: It would look best to maybe rename it to Santarém.)
- Trancoso belongs to the Guarda District.: Maybe rename it to Guarda?
- Mértola belongs to the Beja District.: Renaming Beja to Odemira would be more accurate. (or do something like the suggestion bellow)
- Silves belongs to the Faro District.: If I had to recommend any changes, maybe join up the two regions and give them 4/5 slots. (other option would be renaming Faro to Loulé)
- Braga and Bragança are really close so looking at the map it would look better to rename it to Vila Real.
- Oporto is written without the first O in Portuguese btw.
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I mentioned something earlier about fixing up the disaster that is vanilla Scottish cultures. I went in and did some changes myself, the changed files are attached if you want to take a look. I redid the 1066 Gaelic Scottish culture so as not to be a weird hybrid with late-medieval Scots culture and fixed up the Gall-Goidel and Scottish localisation so as not to be so generic. Gudrod "Mearanach" Crovan and the Ua Ímair family are also now Gall-Goidels.
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Sounds like the Vlach is well enough represented then, maybe adding Szeklers would be an idea, but that would mean keeping the Magyars out of the south Slavic goup though.
Nothing a wooden stick can't sort out
no, the idea that the lands of transilvania were empty or uncolonised was made by Robert Roesler for political reasons,because in 1601 the vlach voievod Mihai the Brave united all the vlach lands including Transilvania.
The reason why the sezleky and Swabians how you call them,are in the middle of transilvania is that they were brought there as soldiers to protect the hungarian kingdom from the mongols,so that means they were brought after aprox 1200
But in the north,and the south of transilvania the majority of the people were vlach,and i can bring documents that atest this,but the hungarians wanted to assimilate them,that s why they didn t have the right to be noble(the vlacs).So yeah,in the 1066 scenario,all transilvania should be vlach ortodox,and in the 1200 the middle of transilvania should be szekley,i think this would be the best choice because it s historical
Do you have any documents to prove that the Vlach constituted the upper classes of Transylvania in 1066, because i could find absolutely nothing to prove that. As we have already discussed, it would be pointless to assign county culture based on the peasants, the game mechanics would make no sense if we did.
But on another note, Transylvania would become Magyar within 100 years anyways, because there is no Vlach counts and dukes in the region and i have seen the Magyar assimilate the region very quickly in most games, so what would be the point in changing it anyway.
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as i stated above,the vlachs were banned by the hungarians to enter the noble class.But they were the moajrity of the people,and maybe some count/duke will become vlach,because there is such an option
The only time i have seen Vlach counts and dukes are when i have assigned counties and duchies to vlachs myself, the AI never does it. But you answered my question anyway, since the Vlach were only peasants the culture setup should remain as it is.
I agree with TheKing. If the Vlach people were not the upper class of the time, it would be insensible to make them as the "culture" of the province as they would not have been in control of the area.
The problem remains: if the culture of a province determines the aspect of its nobility and said nobility was historically not at all what the game would represent, then we should either treat culture as "a recipient of nobility culture" (in which case, I'm afraif half of Northern Italy should be painted Occitan, from Nice to Monferrato) or make specially complicated mechanics.
Sometimes it doesn't work either. Like English lords spawning all the time in its French domains, insensible to the fact that in Anjou, Poitou and Aquitaine, Englishmen had little and less to do at the side of the French and Aquitan dynasties and barons. Yet the game has it that way.
This is the everlasting problem of the courtiers and noblement in Jerusalem. Frankish Jerudalem should spawn Frankish, Occitan, Norman and other European noblemen. Instead, you get "Gerrard de Al-Harran" and there's nothign to do about that...
Culturally speaking, the game's an aberration, even, for not allowing even a degree of mixture in a time in which culture was so definitely not like today, and so totally not like the game has it.
Sometimes it doesn't work either. Like English lords spawning all the time in its French domains, insensible to the fact that in Anjou, Poitou and Aquitaine, Englishmen had little and less to do at the side of the French and Aquitan dynasties and barons. Yet the game has it that way.
This is the everlasting problem of the courtiers and noblement in Jerusalem. Frankish Jerudalem should spawn Frankish, Occitan, Norman and other European noblemen. Instead, you get "Gerrard de Al-Harran" and there's nothign to do about that...
Culturally speaking, the game's an aberration, even, for not allowing even a degree of mixture in a time in which culture was so definitely not like today, and so totally not like the game has it.
Contrary to Transylvania, we have evidence that the areas in question were ruled by a nobility that was of a different culture than the common people, it is not even close to that clear-cut with Transylvania. What i wasn't going to say to his face was (he is banned now, so that is not a problem any more) that he seems to be somewhat impartial and he never really presented my with the proof to back up his rather bombastic and somewhat Nationalistic-feeling claims. But as i told Aasmul in an earlier post, the demographic make-up of Transylvania is very murky before the Mongol invasion and the setup chosen for the region would at best be a guesstimate, which is why i think that changing the existing setup would be foolish.
a couple of days id guess, most work should be done by tomorrow but there will likely be need for a bit of extra bugfixing(at least that is how it normally is^^), I doubt there would be much demand on the 24th anyway
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Is there any "big" mod compatible with the map aside from the almost dead TPTT? Because I'd love to play with this, but I'm bored of France attacking Valencia in he first month of game
The new russian DLC didnt work with the mod
you just need to replace the 00culture.txt file in mod with this one that has been modified for the new graphical culture. So if you open the mod then you then need to open the commonfolder, and in there is a folder called cultures and its the file inside that folder that need replacing.
Nope
Bell gerant Alii was the only one I know of that was compatible but its been dead for a while.That particular problem should be solved in the new coming version though, since we got permission to borrow the religious and imperial reconquest cb's from PB.