[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience

[Aasmul]

Between the establishments of dikes, the movement of the sand and the floods removing said dikes again and moving more sand around, the Waddensee was very chaotic betweenthe 11th and the 17th century, so you should just go for 1, what looks good and 2 what portrays the necessary provinces best.

its just a big difference for a hundred years, even by the standard of the area, my worry is that one of them simply dosn't display correctly. :unsure:

but it probably isn't easy to get defintive answer, so it will have to be the looks that decides it I guess.

 

[Keanon]

its just a big difference for a hundred years, even by the standard of the area, my worry is that one of them simply dosn't display correctly. :unsure:

but it probably isn't easy to get defintive answer, so it will have to be the looks that decides it I guess.

It's not only not easy, it's impossible. There was a huge change between 1066 and the 15th century where it ends and we can't change the coastlines midgame, so you'll have to decide which provinces you feel should be represented and stick to it.

 

[Monnikje]

A very nice job with the Dutch coastline .

As has been pointed out, the problem with the Dutch coastline is that it changed so much the past 1000 years. The coastline is very different from the start of the game 's timeframe compared to the end. I would aim for a coastline that fits around 1200.

Here's another map from around the year 1000:
http://neatnik2009.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/feast-of-sts-willigis-and-bernward-february-23/

And here's a map from 1350:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Locator_County_of_Holland_(1350).svg

And if you want to make more Frisian provinces, I'd suggest splitting Friesland into two provinces: Friesland and Groningen. I know there were more gouwen, but giving that small area too much provinces will unbalance the game too much.

Furthermore: I agree with Ruwaard: 'Waddenzee' should become Noordzee. You could consider making the Zuiderzee (or even the Waddenzee) separate sea provinces.

Edit: Ow, and I'd like to point out the Frisian Freedom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_freedom

 

[Aasmul]

A very nice job with the Dutch coastline .

As has been pointed out, the problem with the Dutch coastline is that it changed so much the past 1000 years. The coastline is very different from the start of the game 's timeframe compared to the end. I would aim for a coastline that fits around 1200.

Here's another map from around the year 1000:
http://neatnik2009.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/feast-of-sts-willigis-and-bernward-february-23/

isn't thats droysens map of the stem duchies ? I have been a bit hesitating to use it for geographics(I don't think that it was his field of expertise) but if they can be used then his staufen map would be close to 1200(but the shorelines are almost identical to his stem duchy map)

And if you want to make more Frisian provinces, I'd suggest splitting Friesland into two provinces: Friesland and Groningen. I know there were more gouwen, but giving that small area too much provinces will unbalance the game too much.

the addition im most keen on, is adding Rüstringen(nationalistic reasonso) and that mostly invovles taking a lot of land from oldenburg, so it don't really mess that much up with the balance of what currently is inside Frisia(and it was de jure part of Frisia and not Saxony in the game period).

Furthermore: I agree with Ruwaard: 'Waddenzee' should become Noordzee. You could consider making the Zuiderzee (or even the Waddenzee) separate sea provinces.

Will be done, as soon as the shorelines of the place is finished I will make a big sea overhaul.

 

[Keanon]

I can see the staufen map uses a Slesivg after 1340 but before 1650, so he's not been completely oblivious to it atleast.

 

[Aasmul]

I can see the staufen map uses a Slesivg after 1340 but before 1650, so he's not been completely oblivious to it atleast.

his dithmarschen seems to be molded on the present though:unsure:

 

[Carewolf2]

Nice and with a passage so you can sail directly from Vesterhavet to Kattegat.

I don't think that should be possible. At this point in time Limfjorden was still a fjord since it was closed in one end.

Btw, I would be cool if the map could show off more of the big changes that has happened the geography of Denmark the last 1000 years. For one there should be many more and bigger fjords, but I guess most are still too small to make sense on the map

 

[Carewolf2]

Btw, I would be cool if the map could show off more of the big changes that has happened the geography of Denmark the last 1000 years. For one there should be many more and bigger fjords, but I guess most are still too small to make sense on the map

I mean this is how Denmark looked as late as 1585 according to authentic maps. As you can see, there has been major changes...


Btw. I must say: The coastline of Sweden has recovered quite nicely, that looks like a nasty pirahna attack.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

I don't think that should be possible. At this point in time Limfjorden was still a fjord since it was closed in one end.

Btw, I would be cool if the map could show off more of the big changes that has happened the geography of Denmark the last 1000 years. For one there should be many more and bigger fjords, but I guess most are still too small to make sense on the map

Well, the Limfjord was open at the beginning of the game and closed within the time frame... and then was opened again much later.

 

[Aasmul]

I don't think that should be possible. At this point in time Limfjorden was still a fjord since it was closed in one end.

Btw, I would be cool if the map could show off more of the big changes that has happened the geography of Denmark the last 1000 years. For one there should be many more and bigger fjords, but I guess most are still too small to make sense on the map

Limfjorden wasn't cloesd until around 1385-1400 when Wust sanded up, but Jylland looks really wiered when having the opening moved til wust so I would prefer to keep aggertange open intead( its only 30 kilomerters in difference, but having aggertange cloesd makes Jyllands visuals look very "unbalanced")

I mean this is how Denmark looked as late as 1585 according to authentic maps. As you can see, there has been major changes...
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Btw. I must say: The coastline of Sweden has recovered quite nicely, that looks like a nasty pirahna attack.

coastline of east Danmark you mean , would be cool to have some sea monsters, currently the only older looking part of Danmark there is Nordstrand(used the 1652 version), I have tried to accomidate ringkøbingfjord abit to appear a bit more 15th century like(its a bit of a guess work how it looked)

 

[Darrigan]

Any idea how long it will take to get this mod compatible with LoR when it comes out?

 

[Aasmul]

Any idea how long it will take to get this mod compatible with LoR when it comes out?

not long I would guess, there dosn't seem to be new provinces. I suppose the patrich overhaul might involve a couple of changes to the landed file but apart from that, it depends on what they mean by "bugfixes":unsure:

 

[Aasmul]

The new Nederland, the aim has been to make it resemble the area around 1280, none of the maps were consistent so(even though I had compiled a big heap of maps, not two of them for the same year was alike:mellow: ), I have tried to correct for all the floodings/land regainings to the point of 1280.

Frisia

Nederland terrain

As stated above I have tried to corrrect for the differnent events(and there is a lot of them), so if there is things that should be corrected please tell me, the thing I found most difficult to get a relatively good estimate was the size of some of the Zeeland and south Holland islands.

Waddenzee will be dealt with tomorrow

 

[Ruwaard]

Impressive work in the coastal region of my country! And do I notice an ecclesiastic 'duchy' of Utrecht? I would suggest to use name_tier= count for Utrecht though.

 

[Aasmul]

Impressive work in the coastal region of my country!

Thanks

And do I notice an ecclesiastic 'duchy' of Utrecht? I would suggest to use name_tier= count for Utrecht though

Yes its got its own duchy now, and don't worry it will be tier = count and not an archbishopery, "removing" two provinces from the ducal game was a bit to much

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

I think the appropriate word to describe that is "sextastical".

 

[Monnikje]

Impressive! Well done .

 

[Aasmul]

I think the appropriate word to describe that is "sextastical".

Impressive! Well done .

Thanks

A screnie with possible sea provinces, should some be removed?:unsure:

now including Wattenmer, Vadehavet, Zuiderzee, Noordzee and Oosterschelde

Absurdly little counties... I like it!

Which reminds me that I had forgot to anounce the new team member,


the SWMH team family has grown and is now made by Il Moro, Axl and me

 

[Axl Madness]

Absurdly little counties... I like it!

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

I'd remove the extra sea provs unless you plan to do this for the rest of the map. It is just a little inconsistent.