[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience

[Caeserion]

If i remember correctly, i think i read it in the Alexiad, that Anna Dalassena (the mother of all the Komnenos Brothers) arranged the marriage between the grandson of Botaneiates and the daughter of Manuel, her eldest son. I couldn't really find any info on possible sons of Nikephoros Botaneiates, so i made him a placeholder Daughter. But i'm not married to that setup by any stretch of the imagination.

Do you have any suggestions on how i should change it?

I guess i could make him a grandson, through a placeholder son, rather than a daughter. I can't really find any concrete info on Nikephoros Botaneiates' children

Well this was a puzzle to figure out. I checked the Alexiad and Anna does say that a grandson of the emperor was betrothed to Manuel's daughter but there are multiple sources (even the Alexiad itself) that state the emperor was childless. However I think I figured it out.

Nikephoros named as his chosen heir a distant relative (probably; Anna only says he was of the emperors race, I'm unsure if the translation means race or relation but lets go with relation) named Synadenus. I'm assuming this niece of Alexios was betrothed either to Synadenus or his son. Given that Anna describes him as 'verging on manhood' its probable that he was also very young but she also says he is "courageous in battle" which means he was old enough to have participated in battle. This Synadenus was most probably adopted into the imperial Botaneiates family and betrothed to the daughter of Manuel. However we know very little about this Synandenus since he all but disappears from the record here on out.

I'm not sure what to do about the setup, probably best to just remove the betrothal altogether since this daughter of Manuel was also a relative of Romanos Diogenes through her mother, making very important as a marriage candidate in Byzantine politics and I can't imagine she would have remained betrothed to an unknown man of a former emperor who had no allies or wealth to speak of.

Wait hold on. I was wrong. The grandson is described as having a tutor which would have put him below the age of 14 in 1081, when the tutor is mentioned. So then this grandson could not be Synadenus due to the fact that Synadenus was old enough to have been in battle (I do not think he would have been much older, just above the age of legal majority, say 18 or 19). Nikephoros III was quite old in 1078 when he was deciding on an heir and did not have the luxury of thinking he could wait for his grandson to grow up and probably chose to appoint the not-as-young Synadenus as heir. The grandson is probably actually a grandson, a fact which makes sense if you consider the descriptions of him being childless as meaning that he had no living children.

So to summarise: Nikephoros III ascends in 1078, he had a son who predeceased and also left a young son behind. Nikephoros III, due to his advanced age and youth of his grandson, turns to his distant relative Synadenus as heir. The grandson is betrothed to Manuels daughter since he is still of the imperial family and an important alliance therefore. All 3, Synadenus, the grandson, the Komnene daughter, disappear from the record after 1081. Yay.

So in-game Manuels daughter should be betrothed to Nikephoros III's grandson (by a son as he was described as Botaneiates although ERE nobles did sometimes go by their mothers family names, especially if it was more prestigious)
from 1078 but probably not in 1081, just because after Alexios' accession his niece is too important to wed to the only relation of a former Emperor who had no other family from the looks of it. Perhaps the grandson was made to enter the monastery along with his grandfather. A church career was not unheard of for annoying claimants.

 

[ShinsukeNakamura]

I have a few ideas how to improve de jure setup, as well as many other things regarding Wendland and Polabian Slavs. Should I write about in this topic or it would be better if I create a separate one,so it could be more transparent?

 

[theKing1988]

Well this was a puzzle to figure out. I checked the Alexiad and Anna does say that a grandson of the emperor was betrothed to Manuel's daughter but there are multiple sources (even the Alexiad itself) that state the emperor was childless. However I think I figured it out.

Nikephoros named as his chosen heir a distant relative (probably; Anna only says he was of the emperors race, I'm unsure if the translation means race or relation but lets go with relation) named Synadenus. I'm assuming this niece of Alexios was betrothed either to Synadenus or his son. Given that Anna describes him as 'verging on manhood' its probable that he was also very young but she also says he is "courageous in battle" which means he was old enough to have participated in battle. This Synadenus was most probably adopted into the imperial Botaneiates family and betrothed to the daughter of Manuel. However we know very little about this Synandenus since he all but disappears from the record here on out.

I'm not sure what to do about the setup, probably best to just remove the betrothal altogether since this daughter of Manuel was also a relative of Romanos Diogenes through her mother, making very important as a marriage candidate in Byzantine politics and I can't imagine she would have remained betrothed to an unknown man of a former emperor who had no allies or wealth to speak of.

Wait hold on. I was wrong. The grandson is described as having a tutor which would have put him below the age of 14 in 1081, when the tutor is mentioned. So then this grandson could not be Synadenus due to the fact that Synadenus was old enough to have been in battle (I do not think he would have been much older, just above the age of legal majority, say 18 or 19). Nikephoros III was quite old in 1078 when he was deciding on an heir and did not have the luxury of thinking he could wait for his grandson to grow up and probably chose to appoint the not-as-young Synadenus as heir. The grandson is probably actually a grandson, a fact which makes sense if you consider the descriptions of him being childless as meaning that he had no living children.

So to summarise: Nikephoros III ascends in 1078, he had a son who predeceased and also left a young son behind. Nikephoros III, due to his advanced age and youth of his grandson, turns to his distant relative Synadenus as heir. The grandson is betrothed to Manuels daughter since he is still of the imperial family and an important alliance therefore. All 3, Synadenus, the grandson, the Komnene daughter, disappear from the record after 1081. Yay.

So in-game Manuels daughter should be betrothed to Nikephoros III's grandson (by a son as he was described as Botaneiates although ERE nobles did sometimes go by their mothers family names, especially if it was more prestigious)
from 1078 but probably not in 1081, just because after Alexios' accession his niece is too important to wed to the only relation of a former Emperor who had no other family from the looks of it. Perhaps the grandson was made to enter the monastery along with his grandfather. A church career was not unheard of for annoying claimants.

Sounds reasonable, will implement this

 

[theKing1988]

I have a few ideas how to improve de jure setup, as well as many other things regarding Wendland and Polabian Slavs. Should I write about in this topic or it would be better if I create a separate one,so it could be more transparent?

Thats up to you. Might take a day for me to respond, but i will pay attention to either way you post

 

[NaiveCarto]

Ibn Khurdadhbeh's 12 Kuras of Sawad:

set the ratio of price of Wheat to price of Barley is 3:2, and from 1 Kurr Wheat and 1 Kurr Barley cost 60 Dinar = 900 Dirham ( 1 Kurr grain weighted 2925kg )
from the Al-Karāj(land tax) data of Qudāma, in 1000 Dirham, in about 819-851AD, Nahru = Canal
"and" means 2 Ṭassāj, "+" means 1 Ṭassāj.

1, Shādh Fayrūz/Ḥulwān: 900 (added taxes from Kurds, from ibn:1800) 5 Ṭassāj
Al-Jabal, Tāmarrā and Irbil not found in al-Sāwad

2,Shādh Hurmuz: 10504 7 Ṭassāj
Buzurjasābūr:2442, 2 Rādhan: 4440, Jāzira and Al-Madīnatu al-'Atīqah:1320, Nahru Būq:568, Kalwādh+Nahru Bin:1320

3,Shādh Qubādh: 11213.5 8 Ṭassāj
Al-Dhibayn not found
Bandanijin:507.5, Rūstuqbādh:1290, Mahrūdh and Silsil(Bābil in Sasannid): 1770, Jalūlā + Jalultā:1000,Al-Dhibayn:1534, Barāz al-Rūz:3576, Daskarah:1536

4,Bāzijān Khusraw:8843 5 Ṭassāj
Upper Nahrawān: 1916, Central Nahrawān: 820,Lower Nahrawān: 1439,Bādurāyā and Bākūsāyā:4668

5,Shādh Sābūr/Kaskar: 23670(30000 Kurr Wheat? + 20000 Kurr Barley), 4 Ṭassāj

6,Shādh Bahmān/Dijla: 2356 4 Ṭassāj
Data from 873AD
7,Al-Ālī/The Upper Ustān:16196 4 Ṭassāj
Anbār:9076, Maskin:2130,Qaṭrabbul:1740, Bādurayā:3250

8, Ardashīr Bābakān:11270 5 Ṭassāj
Bahurasīr:1680, Rūmaqān:3220,Kūthā:2690, Nahru Durqīt:2000,Nahru Jawbar:1680

9,Bih Dhayūmasufān/Zawābi: 3598 (3 Al-Zāb Ṭassāj )

10,Bihqubādh al-Awsaṭ(Centre Bihqubādh): 7432 6 Ṭassāj
Bābil and Khuṭarniyah: 3770, Upper Al-Fallūjah:520, Lower Al-Fallūjah:2440, Al-Nahrayn:351, Ayn al-Tamr:351
Ayn al-Tamr belong to Frontier district of Sasanid(al-Ḥīra) and should be the enclave in desert

11,Bihqubādh al-A'lā(Upper Bihqubādh): 11193 4 Ṭassāj
Al-Jubbah + al-Budāh: 2886, Sūrā + Barbīsama: 2455, Bārūsamā and Nahr al-Malik: 3452, 2 Bars: 2400( in Ibn Khurdadhbeh: Al-Sibayn + al-Wuqūf, not a Tassuj)
Nahr al-Malik setted later, and seems to be an enclave near Ardashīr Bābakān

12,Bihqubādh al-Asfal(Lower Bihqubādh): 7512.8 5 Ṭassāj
Furāt Bādaqlā: 2042, Saylahīn: 1220, Nistar: 2208, Hurmuzjird and Rūdhmistān: 470, Ighāru Yaqṭin: 1572.8
Rūdhmistān and Rūdhmistān setted later.Ighāru Yaqṭin is not a Ṭassāj
Furāt Bādaqlā and Saylahīn belong to Frontier district of Sasanid(al-Ḥīra).

city: Wasit 30K Dirham, Basra 6000K Durham

History Revenue:
Revenue of as-Sawād under Kawād(488-531): 150 Million Dirhams mithāḳīl= 214 Million Dirhams
Revenue of Husraw II(607): central amd southern Iraq 168 Million dirhams in the old coinage, at the end of his reign 240 Million dirhams.
Al-Jizya in Uthmān period: 550000 Dinar= 5500K Dirham

Al-Karāj(land tax) in 'Umar ibn al-Khattāb period(634-644): 116 Million Dirham
Al-Karāj(land tax) in Mu'āwiya period(661-680): 150 Million Dirham(?20 Million from Hulwan, 10 Million from Tigris)
Al-Karāj(land tax) in Zeyād period(680-683): 125 Million Dirham
Al-Karāj(land tax) in 'Ubeydullah bin Zeyād period: 135 Million Dirham
Al-Karāj(land tax) in Hajāj period(694-714): 118 Million Dirham
#in 698, new dirham introduced, weight of dirham from 3.98g to 2.97g.
Al-Karāj(land tax) in 'Umar bin Abdul 'Azīz period(717-720): 120 Million Dirham
Al-Karāj(land tax) in Ibn Hubeyra period(720-724): 100 Million Dirham
Al-Karāj(land tax) in Yūsuf bin 'Umar period(742-743): 70 Million Dirham

Revenue in Hārūn al-Rashīd period(787-788): 80.78 Million Dirham from Iraq grains, 14.8 Million Dirham from Iraq's properties, 11.6 Million Dirham from Kaskar, 20.24 Million Dirham from Kūr Dijleh, 4.8 Million Dirham from Hulwān.
Revenue in al-Mamūn and al-Mu'tsṣim period from Qudāmah bin Ja'far(819): 114.45765 Million Dirham from Iraq, 0.9 Million Dirham from Hulwān. [Warning: use the grain price in the beginning of 10th century ]
Revenue in al-Wāthiq and al-Mutawakil period from Ibn Khurdādbih(middle of 9th century): 91.17984 Million Dirham from Iraq(71650 Kurr Wheat+ 112050 Kurr Barley), 8.5 Million Dirham from Kūr Dijleh, 6 Million Dirham from Barseh, 1.5 Million Dirham from Mustaqilāt Baqdād.[Warning: use the grain price in the beginning of 10th century.]
Al-Karāj in 918-919: 27.3541 Million Dirham, Revenue in 918-919: 1.547734 Million Dinar= 30.95468 Million Dirham

Salary and Price of Grain:
common soldiers 20-80 dirhams per month, the cavalryman doubled.in 892-902, a policeman's salary is 50 dirhams per month.(under al-Ma'mūn:20 dirham=1 dinar/month, in AH200:500 dirham=25 dinar/month, before 917:12.5 dinar/month, in 917:4.17 dinar/month)
in 743-744, 1 dinar = 22.715/25.96 kg Wheat.(famine)
in 766-767: 0.112 dinar = 100kg wheat, in 768-769: 0.088 dinar(1 dinar = 12 dirham) = 100kg wheat,
in 791: 0.51 dinar = 100kg Wheat, 0.34 dinar = 100 kg Barley.
in 815: 0.34 dinar = 100kg wheat.
in 822: 4 dinar(1 dinar = 20 dirham) = 100kg wheat, in 874: 5 dinar = 100kg wheat and 4 dinar = 100kg barley.
in beginning of 10th century: 1.367 dinar = 100kg wheat and 0.68 dinar = 100kg wheat(Qūdama use it), in 919: 9 dinar = 100kg wheat

in late-Sasannid period:

Arḍ Jūkhā province:
Shādh Fīrūz/Ḥulwān: Fīrūz Qubādh(city: Ḥulwān), Khānikīn(Tassaj?)

Shādh Hurmuz: Buzurjasābūr(city:Ukbara), Lower Rādhan(city:Ḥale) and Upper Rādhan, Al-Madīna al-'Atīqa(Ctesiphon). Nahru Būq, Kalwādhā + Nahru Bin, Jāzir possibly exist.

Shādh Qubādh: Bābil Mahrūdh, Jalūlā(city:Jalūlā), Daskara(city: Daskara, another city: Dastagird).

Bāzijān Khusraw(centre city: Veh Antiokj-l Khosraw?): Upper Nahrawān(city:Nahrāwan), Central Nahrawān(cityayr Al-Aqul) ,Lower Nahrawān(city:Jarjarāyā),Bādurāyā/Bēth Darayē,Bākūsāyā/Bēth Kosayē.

Khusraw Sābūr/Arḍ Kaskar province:
Az-Zandaward, Ath-Thurthūr, Al-Ustān(city:Kaskar), Jawāzir, Al-Mubārak.

Arḍ Maysān province: in Quarter of the South
Shādh Bahmān: Bahman Ardashir(city:al-Furāt), Maysān, Dast-i Maysān, Manādhir.
al-Madhār is the most important town before islam, is it a Tasasij?

Arḍ Bābil province:
Vēh-Artakhshatr: Behrasīr(city:Vēh-Artakhshatr), ar-Rūmaqān, Nahr Durqīṭ, Kūthā(city:Kūthā), Nahr Jawbar, Nahr al-Malik.

Firūz Sābūr/Shādh Fīrūz: Firūz Sābūr/Shādh Fīrūz(city:al-Anbār,containing Hīt and Ānāt), Maskin, Qaṭrabbul, Bādurāyā.

az-Zawābi: Upper Zāb, Lower Zāb.

Veh-Kavāt/Bihqubādh: Bārūsma, Bāniqyā, Upper al-Fallūja,Lower al-Fallūja, Bābil, Khutarniyya, an-Nahrayn, Nistar, Furāt Siryā,Hurmuzjird,Rūdhmistān.
after Islam conquest, Nistar, Furāt Siryā,Hurmuzjird and Rūdhmistān called Lower Bihqubādh, and not existed then, Furāt Siryā not existed in Abbasid period.

Frontier District(al-Ḥīra):
Furāt Bādaqlā,as-Saylaḥīn,aṣ-Ṣinnīn,Ayn at-Tamr

 

[theKing1988]

All the information is very fascinating, but i would like for you to very precisely just say what it is you are suggesting. That is kind of missing in your post

I can infer (i think) that you feel like Iraq from Basra to Furat and Tikrit should get more provinces. It is a bit of a mess trying to figure out which of the current provinces you would like to see kept, which you would like to see replaced and which you would like to see added.

Its good that you are basing this on a source though. Ibn Khurdadhbeh is something we can definetely check ourselves too

I'm not opposed to us giving attention to Iraq. When we added more provinces, i was pushing for Maysan to be included

 

[Blurqe]

Is there any kind of formable empire-tier title for Italy?

 

[pirate king]

Hello¡
A have a suggestion about the umayads vassals in 867:
The Banu Danis should control lisboa and alcacer do sal in 867: In the actual gameplay is impossible that they could conquer this areas as historically did they, because they only control the province of Coimbra, and are going to be destroyed by his neighbor Suranbaqi.

 

[pirate king]

Here is a image of the Banu Adanis expansion in Portugal:

 

[Ese Khan]

Hello¡
A have a suggestion about the umayads vassals in 867:
The Banu Danis should control lisboa and alcacer do sal in 867: In the actual gameplay is impossible that they could conquer this areas as historically did they, because they only control the province of Coimbra, and are going to be destroyed by his neighbor Suranbaqi.

Thank you for your suggestion. Our understanding, however, is that Banu Danis's migration to Lisbon area took place later than 867. We have in our files Banu Danis governors of Lisbon and Alcacer do Sal from the early 10th century.

 

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

Is it possible to get newest province outline and blank province maps somwhere?

 

[TypedScroll]

OK, I am trying to make the start dates from 867 till 936 scrollable. I don't however want to sink so much time into it only to find out that the next update of SMWH has it.
Are you guys working on a scrollable dates from 867 till 936?

(Tulunid empire, Saffarid Empire)

 

[theKing1988]

Nope. I toyed around with the idea of a 914 bookmark, so i have done some legwork for that. But it is by no means finished.

But if your setup is based on reasonably accurate research, then i'm more than willing to include your history files into the main mod.

If you guys wanna help me, then i'm more than willing to receive help. Never doubt that