[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience

[theKing1988]

Good point.

We need to make sure that it doesn't effect any Jew specific events or other stuff, before moving them though

ETA: I have now moved them

 

[naplun]

Any plan to fix the bookmarks after 1240?

 

[zijistark]

Good point.

We need to make sure that it doesn't effect any Jew specific events or other stuff, before moving them though

It wouldn't.

 

[zijistark]

Any plan to fix the bookmarks after 1240?

Here's a start:

What's wrong with them, specifically?

 

[naplun]

Here's a start:

What's wrong with them, specifically?

Many unreasonable things.Such as the capital of England not in London,strange independent duchy in HRE and wrong De Jure Kingdom in Spain.It looks like the work on bookmarks after 1220 is unfinished，but it's fine.This mod deserves to be waited.

 

[Voivode]

This is a very specific historical issue, and might not even be linked to the mod, so please bear with me if this is not the correct thread to report it or if it has been brought up before.

So I've been playing around with the de Hautevilles a lot recently which made me to read up on their fascinating history. There's a character in the game, namely a Roger of Capua, born in 1182 to Counte Simon of Muórica, being chancellor to the young Hohenstaufen king, and having domains in southern Sicily. This makes him the last landed male member of the de Hauteville dynasty around 1200.

The problem is, I couldn't find any historical reference to his existence. My sources are obviously limited, mainly John Julius Norwich's work and other books written in English dealing with the Kingdom of Sicily, none which mention that his father, Simon, Duke of Taranto (which he probably should be in-game after 1144 as well) ever had a son named Roger, or any issue for that matter. By the time of the Fourth Crusade, the daughters of King Tancred should be the last de Hautevilles around. On a sidenote, Aristolf de Hauteville, a landless courtier in the court of Albinia de Hauteville, seems to be fictional as well.

This would also make playing with Albinia de Hauteville much more interesting, attempting to facilitate a comeback of the dynasty to the throne of Sicily with a female character.

But maybe I'm completely wrong, and he actually existed, in which case I'd kindly ask for the source(s) mentioning either him or Aristolf.

Thank you, and, of course, this is a fantastic mod and I really appreciate the amount of work put into it. Congrats!

EDIT: I looked up the character files, and from what I can gather Roger and Aristolf (and his line) haven't been touched upon by the mod, therefore I propose their complete removal. Can't think of a suitable replacement for Roger as the owner of those Sicilian counties though, but maybe someone well versed in Italian/Norman history can.

 

[Moarice]

So I decided to check the family tree of the Trpimirovićes (Richard and Philippe start date) and it's... not quite a tree.

Speaking of Croatia, could you change the CoA of house of Kačić from the generic bird they get now to the dragon used by the county of Omis? They used it historically and it looks much cooler.

 

[theKing1988]

We're on it. Thanks for the heads-up

 

[Moarice]

We're on it. Thanks for the heads-up

No problem. Also, suggestions for Croatian councillor titles (which I just taken by translating them in Google Translate):
Chancellor - Kancelar
Marshal - Maršal
Steward - Podvornik
Spymaster - Prorektor (I'm not really sure about this one.)
Court Chaplain - Dvorski Kapelan

 

[King Firas]

Do Hafsids have their real CoA?

 

[Toa Kraka]

I notice that, in order to stop the Kingdom of Asturias from being considered non-titular (due to containing the titular Duchy of Asturias and nothing else), you removed the Duchy of Asturias from the kingdom's de jure vassals. Instead of doing that, couldn't you use any_direct_de_jure_vassal_title = { is_de_jure_title = yes } (rather than is_de_jure_title = yes) in title_king_basic_allow? The code is somewhat ugly (since any_de_jure_vassal_title can't be used as a trigger), but it would allow the Duchy of Asturias to be in its proper de jure place.

Edit: The attached file contains the is_actually_titular trigger whose use I'm proposing. (Alternate name: has_no_de_jure_county_vassals)

 

[zijistark]

I notice that, in order to stop the Kingdom of Asturias from being considered non-titular (due to containing the titular Duchy of Asturias and nothing else), you removed the Duchy of Asturias from the kingdom's de jure vassals. Instead of doing that, couldn't you use any_direct_de_jure_vassal_title = { is_de_jure_title = yes } (rather than is_de_jure_title = yes) in title_king_basic_allow? The code is somewhat ugly (since any_de_jure_vassal_title can't be used as a trigger), but it would allow the Duchy of Asturias to be in its proper de jure place.

Edit: The attached file contains the is_actually_titular trigger whose use I'm proposing. (Alternate name: has_no_de_jure_county_vassals)

As of patch 2.5, any_de_jure_vassal_title can be used as a trigger. is_de_jure_title = yes is actually a scripted trigger and uses precisely that to determine truly-titular status.

The Duchy of Asturias was changed in the way that it was due to an obscure bug wherein the entire title allow (and hard-coded set of requirements) was overlooked for such titular titles.

2.6.2 should have fixed this, however, as with the advent of 2.6, this long-standing bug regarding anybody being able to usurp k_asturias (and similar is_de_jure_title = no && is_titular = no titles) became available to the AI for usurpation and much attention was called to it.

 

[robomax]

This regrading Why The Holder of Castile is only a count Rank Holding a Duke Title.
Then a suggestion just make the country a count Title not a Duchy.

How can he vassal someone with the same rank?

I understand the History . But as a Game Mechanic though it doesn't make sense. Then it should only be Count Title if the Rank of the holder is count. If the Title is a Duke then the Rank of the Holder should be a Duke. The issue is the Law . The Law was Different there then it was in France or England. You either have to make it the same or You have to Give Each Kingdom its own Historical Law. Which is an impossibly for the Game itself cant do that. So Fuedals have the same Law in the game across the broad. If not Then you would have to institute a different Law set for each Cultural. England would be Common Wealth Monarchy. Which is different from France.

Or Because Austria is a debunk Title anyways Because it is base in Arian Christian Law , Not Catholic law . When you Create Leon then you can make Castile into a Duchy (But Giving Castlie its own KingdomDJ by doing so) with the correct title holding and ranks, As it stands now it does not makes sense. Its a game Mechanic issue not an historical one. Call him the Grand Code or something he has to have a higher rank than his vassals. here is map 1037
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Castile#/media/File:Map_Iberian_Peninsula_1037-es.svg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Asturias

Asturias is realy almost like Petty Kingdom in a sense you cant create duchies under it. If you do they will go independent on succession.

 

[Admiral Fischer]

This is a very specific historical issue, and might not even be linked to the mod, so please bear with me if this is not the correct thread to report it or if it has been brought up before.

So I've been playing around with the de Hautevilles a lot recently which made me to read up on their fascinating history. There's a character in the game, namely a Roger of Capua, born in 1182 to Counte Simon of Muórica, being chancellor to the young Hohenstaufen king, and having domains in southern Sicily. This makes him the last landed male member of the de Hauteville dynasty around 1200.

The problem is, I couldn't find any historical reference to his existence. My sources are obviously limited, mainly John Julius Norwich's work and other books written in English dealing with the Kingdom of Sicily, none which mention that his father, Simon, Duke of Taranto (which he probably should be in-game after 1144 as well) ever had a son named Roger, or any issue for that matter. By the time of the Fourth Crusade, the daughters of King Tancred should be the last de Hautevilles around. On a sidenote, Aristolf de Hauteville, a landless courtier in the court of Albinia de Hauteville, seems to be fictional as well.

This would also make playing with Albinia de Hauteville much more interesting, attempting to facilitate a comeback of the dynasty to the throne of Sicily with a female character.

But maybe I'm completely wrong, and he actually existed, in which case I'd kindly ask for the source(s) mentioning either him or Aristolf.

Thank you, and, of course, this is a fantastic mod and I really appreciate the amount of work put into it. Congrats!

EDIT: I looked up the character files, and from what I can gather Roger and Aristolf (and his line) haven't been touched upon by the mod, therefore I propose their complete removal. Can't think of a suitable replacement for Roger as the owner of those Sicilian counties though, but maybe someone well versed in Italian/Norman history can.

Counts of Gesualdo

 

[robomax]

Counts of Gesualdo

does it day who his vassals were? and were they of the same rank?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Castilian_counts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Castile

What we call the Kingdom of Castile is realy a Petty Kingdoms or Princapalciys (which we cant do , but would slove all these problems) or in game a Ducal formed 1065 AD

The Title that is the one to Rule them all Glacia ,Leon and Castile
Crown of Castile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_of_Castile
formed 1230AD

Example
like England 5 Petty Kingdoms become England

At the the Old Gods start The Duchy of Castile inst even formed yet

 

[Admiral Fischer]

does it day who his vassals were? and were they of the same rank?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Castilian_counts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Castile

What we call the Kingdom of Castile is realy a Petty Kingdoms or Princapalciys (which we cant do , but would slove all these problems) or in game a Ducal formed 1065 AD

The Title that is the one to Rule them all Glacia ,Leon and Castile
Crown of Castile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_of_Castile
formed 1230AD

Example
like England 5 Petty Kingdoms become England

At the the Old Gods start The Duchy of Castile inst even formed yet

I was responding to Voivode, not you, but if you insist, I think demoting these iberian kingdoms to petty kingdoms and having only one de jure title over the Christian Spain would be horrible. The Crown of Castile was formed only because the Castilian court won over the Leonese court after centuries of rivalry, and before the division of 1065 the supreme title over the Christian Iberia was the Crown of Leon, which was the direct continuation of the Crown of Asturias.

 

[robomax]

there a way to use this map from the Charlie start Date?

 

[robomax]

I was responding to Voivode, not you, but if you insist, I think demoting these iberian kingdoms to petty kingdoms and having only one de jure title over the Christian Spain would be horrible. The Crown of Castile was formed only because the Castilian court won over the Leonese court after centuries of rivalry, and before the division of 1065 the supreme title over the Christian Iberia was the Crown of Leon, which was the direct continuation of the Crown of Asturias.

Then How does a Count Vassal a Count but Hold a Duke Title?

 

[robomax]

you got sorta of the same issue in France Aquitaine was never a full fledged Kingdom Historical it was always A duchy. Just Historical accurate. One of the reason France becomes Jigsaw puzzle through whole game. The Fix for Spain is Once Lyon is Created Then Atriaus goes away Like in Vanilla. Once Leon is Created the Duchy of Casteal can be Created and Galacia. The Titular just goes away. Which will Stable The northern part of Spain and the Guy holding the Casteal Title becomes a real Duke and leaves you alone. If not the currant out Come is that They wiped out in a few years by Muslims and the Kingdoms never form at all.

Second Why does Land in your DJ relm go independent on secession and land out side your DJ stays in your Relm?
France is always ruling from some Place else besides Paris.
This happens all the Time and quite annoying. Very simple if land is in your DJ relem it stays in your Relm on succession. Land out Side Becomes independent. (Gave kind still apply though like if your Duke dies and his heir is under the King of England then that Duchy goes to England) (Hopefully you put relative in there because you will always have claim on it. This would make Leon and Castile split also which would be more historical than what is happening now. Kingdom of Leon has no DJ into duchy of Castillo so it would split on secession. Whether if the duchy was created or not. If you try to hold it under the Titular of Atriuas you will never have a DJ therefore no claims down the road later in the game. The game some how through events or something make you get rid of the Titular or it will haunt you later in the game. The only way to Hold Lands outside your Kingdom DJ is to make the Confederacy Kingdom Titles or A-historal Empire titles.

 

[herrmarisa]

I made this post in the bug report thread too because I'm not certain where specifically is this kind of complaint supposed to be directed, so I post in both threads.

"At the moment a bunch of regions in the Old Gods bookmark around the area of Soghdia has Tajik rulers - I assume it's not intended since the Tajik culture doesn't exist on the map.

I'm also not sure about the Khalaj culture where Pashto is supposed to be - isn't it a Turkic culture?"