Why did you all delete 3/4ths of India from this map?
Why was 1/3rd of the Steppes removed?
Why was 1/3rd of the Steppes removed?
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[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience
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Removed as compared to current Vanilla.
Removing those areas will make a converted save really messy.
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Well, the point is that, if you trace the course of events chronologically, it would be more correct to say that "Paradox decided to add India and more areas of the steppes way after the SWMH team decided how far to the east they would cover."
Keep in mind also that SWMH still has way more provinces than vanilla. SWMH already runs slower than vanilla as is, imagine how the game will act if SWMH had even more provinces.And I don't entirely agree with your statement on save data conversion: the areas that exist in vanilla but not in SWMH will be no less/more messy than areas that don't exist in vanilla itself. You'll still end up with Ming China, Kingdom of Ava, Aztects, etc. regardless. I would say that such setup is equally "messy," at the end of the day.
Besides, SWMH-EU4 converter is still in development, so it's not likely you can even convert an SWMH game to EU4.
Well, the point is that, if you trace the course of events chronologically, it would be more correct to say that "Paradox decided to add India and more areas of the steppes way after the SWMH team decided how far to the east they would cover."
And I don't entirely agree with your statement on save data conversion: the areas that exist in vanilla but not in SWMH will be no less/more messy than areas that don't exist in vanilla itself. You'll still end up with Ming China, Kingdom of Ava, Aztects, etc. regardless. I would say that such setup is equally "messy," at the end of the day.
Besides, SWMH-EU4 converter is still in development, so it's not likely you can even convert an SWMH game to EU4.
Indeed! I am quoting this in the converter thread with suggestions.
Welcome to the "Some What More Historic 2.0" mod( the HIP version is uptodate with latest ck2 patch) this thread's Spanish sisterthread can be found here.
What's it all about?
SWMH is first and foremost a comprehensive mapoverhaul, we have gone to great lengths to bring alive the medival world as contemporary accuartely as possible. Secondly it includes substantial work on history and cultural related features. All this work has been conducted with a philosophy of keeping as close to the core features as possible in order to maximize compability with other mods.
Map Features:
Cultural features:* Adds an in depth overhaul of the map, in the process adding more than 500 provinces, 7000 medival barronies and reworking entites down to the last barrony.
* New Projection featureing:
Handdrawn coastlines for: Northern Europe(everything north of Bilbao, excluding Iceland), atlantic coast of Morocco, northern half of the Mediterranean(Coastline from Provence to Alexandria and all mediterranean islands), Adriatic, Black sea, Red sea, Persian Gulf, Ran of Kutch etc(basically everything than the southwestern part of the Mediterranean, Iberian peninsula and Iceland).
A massive river and lake overhaul.
Redrawn mountains, terrain, topology(3d effect) overhaul
All new normal height map(adds the 3d shadows)
Projection comparison:
SWMH
Vanilla
Comparison(green and blue is SWMH, white and black is vanilla), purple is inside the SWMH projection and outside the vanilla one, while the red section is the reverse.
History features:*Adds many new cultures, including a brakeup of the Italian and German cultures.
List of added cultures:
*Adds real cultural retinues, every culture has a retinue based on a for it apporiate RL military unit.Frysk(Frisian)
Gall Goidel(Norse-Gaelic)
Eestlased(Estonian)
Livonijas(Livionian)
Arbëreshë(Medival Albanian)
Sicilianu(Sicilian)
Gautar(Geats(or Goths if you prefer) the eastnorse term also covers Gutes(the inhabbitants of the Isle of Gotland) as well as the mainland Geats)
Corsu(Corsican)
Veneto(Venetian)
Toscano(Tuscan)
Ligure(Ligurian)
Arpitan(Franco-Provençal)
Langobardo(southern Lombards)
Lombardo(northern Lombards)
Mediano(central Italian)
Meridionale(south Italian)
Neapolitano(Neapolitan)
Sardu(Sardinian)
Karantánija(Karantanci, precursors to the Slovenians)
Moravský( Moravians, precoursers to the Slovaks)
Aragonesa
Leonesa
Sanhája
Masmúda
Zanáta
Soninke
Wolof
Nubian
Somali
*Adds cultural modifiers, every culture is no longer the same as the next one.
*Adds unique, and culture specific form of address and titles.
*Adds cultural appropiate spelling to all entites(from empires all the way down to the barronies), with many styling their contemporary medival spelling form(For instance Denmark sporting medival danish, while Norway featureing westnorse spelling).
*Adds full dynmamic naming to the Iberian peninsula, British isles, Baltic adjacent areas, Balkans, Anatolia, Western steppes, Finno-Russia and partial dynamic naming for other large swathes of the map
Other features:* Adds a great many new historic dynasties and characters as well as expanding and correcting on vanillas characters.
* Adds more playable historical characters
* Adds the actual RL rulers to many entities
* Adds new republics
List of added republics
*Adds many many hundreds of freshly drawn title flags.Utlande: The northfrisian republic centerd on Rungholt.
Hormuz: Controlling the flow of spices through the Persian gulf
Dahlak: Striving for dominance over the redsea trade.
Ragusa: the Dalmatian republic competing with Venice over control of the Adriatic.
Download and installation
SWMH is included in the main HIP download, using that is recomended
Installation(non HIP) and independed download link(not currently provided)
Download the file, then unzip into the mod directory, start CK2 and select the "some what more historic" mod in the launcher
Startup of CK2 will be a bit longer(around a minute) the first time you use the mod(due to the map and flag changes), but this will not be an issue after the first use.
If running on Macs you will need to do this small workaround in order to get mods to work.
Speak English Damit! (included in HIP)
Want the map, but not keen on all those strange titles? then try out Ioannes's brand new incarnation of the Anglicised naming sub mod. Its already included in the download of HIP and if activated through the installer if using HIP or selected in the launcher if running independently, it will reverts many of the localisations to something more familiar.
There is two different ways to enjoy this mod:
1. to run it alone without other mods(why would one want to do that?)
2. to use the build a bear principle and run thoes mods you want alongside it(Yay!)
As you might expect we recommend a full HIP configuration(or as full as you like
The modding team:
Active(main centers of interest):
Ruwaard - HRE
theKing1988 - ERE, Caucasus and Mideast
Woody Man - British Isles and France
Aasmul - Scandinavia, Baltics, Eastern Europe, Russia and Italy
Retired/on hiatus:
Axl Madness. Our Castilian specialist he have been the driving force behind the Iberian, Scottish and Welsh overhauls.
Bertuccio. Our Leonese specialist he have been deeply involved with the Iberian overhaul and its dynamic names, and been the driving force behind the overhaul of Ireland.
Elvain. Our Bohemian specialist and expert on the Persian, Arabic and African world. Elvain is behind the Bohemian, Persian and all the African overhauls.
Il Moro. Our Italian specialist, he have been deeply involved with the Italian overhaul, culture and history in both Italy and the Levant.
Credits( also in unspoilerd form at the bottom of the second post)
Credits related to the current incarnation of the mod:
Ese Khan for Khitan culture namelist and titles and the entire CA reoverhaul and mongol historical setups.
Zijistark and Think0028 for the massive work with keeping the mod alive throughout 2015, and tons of debugging help
IoannesBarbarus for a massive amount of help with debugging, improving coherency and improving the mod in general.
Graf_radetzky for help with research and a platoon of enlighting discussions on the Finns, Bolghars, Blackcaps, Moravians, Sardinians, neapolitans, Prussians and much more.
Arko for the shiny new minimap and bookmark buttons, Nova Regna Occidentalis(Burgundian provinces), a lot whole lot of beta testing, and for adding much needed fluffy squirrels to the world of CK2(see his COA pack
CJL for the comprehensive Italian title history rework.
Stolidcius for contemporary Estonian, Lettgalian and and Livonian name list and finish cultural research
Cbrxkhan for african cultures (the 6 new for East and Central Africa) and for inspiration concerning that region
AnaxXiphos for two awesome persian flags.Arko for the shiny new minimap and bookmark buttons.
Lord of Pain/Köten for the new Sami namelist.
Galvakojis for all his help and advice about Lithuania and for the new Lithuanian dynasties.
CrackdToothGrin - For his wonderfull research maps that helped to make Persia and Central Asia look as beautiful as possible.
Maestro Ugo for advice on the Balkan
smederevo991 for advice on the Balkan
SBolshevik for advice on the BalkanDragovit for advice on Russia
Amuri for portugese culutral title localisations
ragbe for Frisian and dutch cultural title and job localisations
Bad-Haggis for Roman title localisations.
Zebeleizis for Vlach feedback, help and Vlach namelists.
Misantropia for Vlach feedback and help.
Vorpalnekro for his bugtesting assitance
Raczynski for Polish and Ruthenian barrony fixes and for help with Polish layout
Nagyko for his Hungarian localistaions
Elandreads for his Russian localistaions
ZmajOgnjeniVuk for Hungarian and Balkan research
eXmAn for Bosnian and general Balkan research
El-Fatih for Bosnian and general Balkan research
Dragovit for advice on Russia
Tsar Monarchist for help with Polish layout and help with Ruthenian and Polish barrony setup
LordHroth for his exstensive work on culture defined titles and holdings.
Adal for the Somali culture
Exin for his help with Moldova
NeverForget for vlach Flavour additions.
Polskers for frisian families and localisation
Satyrlord for Roman names.
Sleight of hands for Danish invasion
Cardinal sin for Austrian research and setup, as well as many suggestions and ideas all around the entire map. mod
Meneth for extensive bugfixing support
Darrigan for the lowland mod, and history titles for the Lowlands
ahog for his help with bugfixing(and for coming up with the idea to add the much missed eastern part of the Limfjord
Thure for the Langobard culture
Sir eyeball for his research of the medieval Danish sealanes
Cèsar de Quart for Catalan title localisation.
EmperorTojo for norsegaelic culture
Credits related to features which were part of earlier incarnations of the mod:
John Foresti for quite a bit of inspiration
The Valkyrier for germany divided(I started out reworking one of his mod’s that included some of John Foresti’s work and this is what it ended up as)
Criss Croos for Hellas and Anatolia
Hamja for research on norse province names
Ijtzoi for Cantrefi Wales devided
Nuril for Norddurland and some FOA
The_hdk for Saxon England
Sir Draco for Saxon England
Closet Skeleton for his FOA work
Szamovary for Arpadian age
Arko for the Mercator mod
Elryck for the Mercator mod
Sporghley for his layout of Bohemian provinces
Dartvader for the redrawn Traungau
Dunnin for Carinthian and culture.
Monnikje for Dutch localisations
Bloodmerchant for Armenian and Georgian Barrnoies and general help with the are + his beautyfull COA's for the area.
Darkspawn12 for providing his expertise on the HRE and Italy
Idib for his Italian localisations
Berggren for his woderfull idea of adding de Gothers and Venders
Meneth for allowing us to use PB's holywar and imperial reconquest CB
CJL and Ofalaf for Anglicised localisations.
Kastratores for tweaks to kladsko
Leviathan07 for Anglicised localisations.
Ijtzio for Cumbric culture
cybrxkhan for Sardinian names.
TheDarkbane12 for Caucasian corrections.
Remarks
There lies an exstensive bit of research behind the forming an composition of each entity, that said, due to the scale of this project we will enviably have made a mitstake or two so please help us correct any errors we might have made
Terms of usage in other mods
Please do not include any part of SWMH in your (public)mod unless you have asked for, and gotten, clear permission.
Only the SWMH team can give permision to public distrubution of SWMH in itself or as included whole or partially in other mods
If you would like too use the whole of SWMH or a by us developed component of the mod, then please PM one of the team members and we will discuss your request.
In the request please describe what parts you are interested in, and include a link to your mod.
Note that we favor a modular approach, so if you are interested in the whole of SWMH and your mod can run alongside SWMH, then we prefer to keep them independent of eachother. We try to keep SWMH as cleanly focused on the map/history side of things as possible, inorder to insure compability with as many mods as possible(and compabilty patching can often sort things out, in the situation where the mods are'nt compatible straight out of the box.)
We are unlikely to give permission for the integration of the whole or majority of SWMH content for other overhauls with similar aimed scope( ei strictly vanilla focused map and history overhaul) or a scope similar to HIP(ei vanilla focused total overhaul)
Would it be possible to release an HIP version of only the Culture portions of this mod?
I would like to play with India and the Steppes, but I would love everything other than the Map from this mod!
(The map is great, BTW, just no India or Steppes).
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The Cultures are tailored specifically to the map that we have, rather than the Vanilla map, so to be blunt with you, none of us has any desire to deal with the headache that would be translating the SWMH cultural setup onto the Vanilla map.
But if our users want to create such a thing for personal use they are of course more than welcome to do so, and if they want to release it as a submod all they need to do is approach one of us to get permission, which they are likely to get.
But if our users want to create such a thing for personal use they are of course more than welcome to do so, and if they want to release it as a submod all they need to do is approach one of us to get permission, which they are likely to get.
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While playing as the Byzantine emperor I just conquered the duchy of Antioch when I get the option to create the Despotate of dyn_rel_1000455955 (titular title). When clicking on it the map would center around Dubrovnik. The flag also match the one for the city. The thing is, there is already a Despot of Ragusa. Does anybody know what should be this title?
Another issue I notice is that probably there are no dynasties names for Udi and Cumbri cultures. I got a number of them with the dynasty name Smith. The Udi have a quite large state so it's a bit annoying seeing half of them called Smith.
Another issue I notice is that probably there are no dynasties names for Udi and Cumbri cultures. I got a number of them with the dynasty name Smith. The Udi have a quite large state so it's a bit annoying seeing half of them called Smith.
I managed to track some Udi names (Caucasian Albanian). The names are of the rulers (or ruler's wife / mother )from around 500-800 so a bit to early. I was able to find online the full text of The history of Caucasian Albanians written in the 10th century in both Russian and English translations (both very bad formatting). Except the first two, all the other dynasties names are from there, what I could see at a quick glance. In most of the cases the family was called 'of X' so I replaced the of with 've'. The first two names are of priests/historians (the first wrote the book) which are a bit controversial. Apparently they described themselves as Albanians and Armenians (they wrote only in Armenian). Armenians call them only Armenians, Azerbaijanis call them only Albanians.
Code:
male
Goridouxt Javanshir Shero Varaz-Trdat Varaz-Grigor Trdat_Tiridates Varaz-Peroz Shiruye Narseh-Dzndak Mkhtar
female
Dinar Houridukht Sparama Taguhi
dynasties Kalankatuatsi , Gosh , Arshakashen, Mamsheluna, Varazhna, ve Arcax, ve Bakur, Atrpatakani- 2
Nice catch, i hadn't actually noticed i had overlooked creating Udi dynasties.
Thanks for the heads up. I will take a look at your suggestions
Thanks for the heads up. I will take a look at your suggestions
This is not something I know much about, so pardon my ignorance, but I thought "douxt" (in the name "Goridouxt") was a general Iranic root for "daughter", much like the "dukht" in "Houridukht." Again, I apologise if this is a stupid question, but are you sure "Goridouxt" is a male name?
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Hallo there!
Posting this here for the SWMH mod team.
Do you folks mind if I go ahead and use your awesome work you guys put in with the map, titles, history, etc to make a 769 Charlemagne Bookmark sub-mod for HIP?
I really wanna have a ton of fun with the SWMH HIP version but in Charlie's time.
Posting this here for the SWMH mod team.
Do you folks mind if I go ahead and use your awesome work you guys put in with the map, titles, history, etc to make a 769 Charlemagne Bookmark sub-mod for HIP?
I really wanna have a ton of fun with the SWMH HIP version but in Charlie's time
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I've noticed that some duchies in Italy (e.g. Verona, Istria, etc.) are localised as Markgrafschaft even when held by independent Italians. Would it be possible to just make one "MARCH/MARGRAVIATE" localisation and then have cultural localisations for that? (e.g. MARGRAVIATE_italian etc)
Hallo there!
Posting this here for the SWMH mod team.
Do you folks mind if I go ahead and use your awesome work you guys put in with the map, titles, history, etc to make a 769 Charlemagne Bookmark sub-mod for HIP?
I really wanna have a ton of fun with the SWMH HIP version but in Charlie's time
Of course we don't mind. We've often and loudly stated that we are very willing to give permission to our users to release such a submod.
Do you have anyone else lined up to help you with the work or are you planning on doing it all yourself? You should perhaps resurrect our old 769 submod thread to see if some of the guys who showed interest in it back then are still willing to help.
Another question, just so we are aware of your plans. Do you just intend to do a simple Vanilla setup? Import title histories, character histories and province histories and fill in the holes where we add new provinces?
Hey there King, thank you for the reply!
You guys are awesome by the way and Aasmul made me his biggest fan when after we talked he drew Wallachia and Moldavia properly!! (Only mod to do so >.>...)
I've did history for Elder Kings, but nothing fancy or spectacular. Mostly functional and that's about it. As for the submod, yes I am planning to do it all myself honestly. I won't say no to anyone who wants to help, but neither do I expect folks to volunteer anytime soon.
So in lines with that, I will do it in a few steps.
1.The first step will be to import the title, character and province histories from Vanilla. Then assign all your new provinces to their immediate highest titled ruler. It will result in Counts, Dukes and Kings with drastically higher demesnes.
2.The second step would be to fill in those extra titles with historic characters that I can find doing a quick google or wiki search.
3.The third step would be to fill in what titles remain with made-up characters for the sake of spit and duct tape balance.
I am not a big fan of spending a great amount of time in the history files, since as a fresh parent I lack the time and energy to do it. So the history will be functional and devoid of fluff and decorations. I won't add extra non-landed or dead family members and I will certainly not create a ton of characters to connect the Charlemagne Bookmark to the Vikings Bookmark.
All I care is making 769 playable and available. After that if folks want more fluff added they will be of course welcomed to do so themselves or provide me the code so I can just add it to the submod.
Overall I don't want to bite more than I can chew, so I prefer to just aim towards the simplest objective first
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I was referring to this thread by the way. In case you haven't seen it before
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/769-modders-assemble.808061/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/769-modders-assemble.808061/
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Thank you for the link! Will see what details I can 'borrow' from there, but I'll make a new thread so I can keep everything in the first two posts for simplicity's sake.
But something in there made me laugh. The title will be [Sub-mod] VMH 769 (Vaguely More Historical).
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Tragically, this is not moddable. We are stuck with compromises.
Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure you can localise custom title localisations by culture.