[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience

[Thure]

The navigable rivers are limited to ones that the river-navigating cultures are confirmed to have used in their raids/invasions/settlements. There are AFAIK no records of Norse raiders sailing up the Danube or any Spanish or Italian rivers, while numerous accounts of French, Russian, and German river-raiding.

Some maps did claim the Vikings were at the Danube. Maybe I can find more sources on this issue. Remember that many areas around the Danube don't have as much sources as Germany or France.

http://terencewilson.website/vikings-voyages.png

https://www.academia.edu/16720256/T...nges._New_archaeological_data_on_the_weaponry

 

[theKing1988]

Well an actual recorded Date is conspicously missing on the first map. Certainly not a good sign for there being any recorded raids up the Danube, let alone a raid that could be dated within our timeframe

And number 2 concerns itself mainly with the Varangians and their raids on Bulgaria and the ERE in the later half of the 10th Century. But .... the Varangian characters in Russia is turned into Russian cultured characters before this point in SWMH, so the point still stands.

As long as it's only the Norse who uses in-game River travel, the Danube and the other suggested rivers really don't need to be traversable

 

[Harald Fairhair]

There are some lakes the vikings could travel in ireland. One lake in the North, and two in the south wich are connected by the same river

 

[theKing1988]

There is 6 provinces in Ireland that the Norse don't have access to from the coast. Do they really need to be able to access these?

And have you paid attention to if those lakes even allow the Norse to access non-Coastal provinces?

 

[Harald Fairhair]

Well if the interior of Ireland is more attractive to raid than the coastal provinces I would have bother.

I've seen these lakes yes.

 

[theKing1988]

Well the most attractive inland provinces, are not accesible via the lakes.

The inland provinces that are accesible via the lakes have 2 and 3 holding slots, so no they are not more attractive to raid

 

[Ravenant]

Given that those both take place outside of the time period that SWMH covers and even then were an anomaly (once or twice is hardly a reliable pattern), I think it's best for things to remain the way they are. Raiding at the moment is quite overused by rulers who can do it, to the point that Vikings can be seen as far as Morocco, and is definitely a mechanic to handle with care.

Historically, Morocco was indeed raided by Vikings (some nekor kingdom near gibraltar). They even established minor principalities in the andalusian coast and Balearic Islands in the X century although they didnt last long. But its ok, im just adding some info

 

[khanbalik]

I've been modding the history files trying to get a more accurate 867 kingdom of Meath (Ireland), but something went wrong and now that country appears blank and unplayable. I've checked MANY times and I'm unable to find the mistake, and I'm starting to despair already. Any ideas? (Thank you)

EDIT: I've checked the family tree and it seems no "new" characters have been added. I understand nothing.

 

[Gwyn ap Nud]

Are you overwriting the whole file or just a part of it? This sounds like a file structure issue more than a syntax issue.

 

[khanbalik]

Fixed!! It turns out the whole problem was I was putting too big character ID numbers (with a lot of zeros, to lesser the probability of overwritting other character's IDs). The biggest ID number a character can have is 2147483647, any bigger number will be "read" by the game as 2147483647 and that will bug everything. So it's done!!

 

[2ndPorphyry]

I'd like to raise the question of who owns Bari in 1066(-1071). I searched back through this thread and it looks like the decision was made a few years ago to give it to the Normans, even though the Empire held it until Guiscard finished a 3 year siege in 1071. I figure giving it (just the city holding? maybe some land in Brindisi &/or Taranto because those were changing hands often in the 1060s, would need to do research) back to the Empire would trigger a day one Norman-Byzantine war, which would start their relations off on the right foot. It would also be one more thorn in the Empire's side to help precipitate their (near) collapse. Plus, if it is somehow held, then the Empire has a foothold for continued interference in south Italy without having to finish the first reconquest tier, which would also be more historical. (As it stands, they behave as if they didn't have a vested interest in the region just a few years earlier.)

Maybe the team has thought through this all, but could I hear the reasoning?

 

[Byzan]

I have a question, does HIP have a compatible vers. of EUIV converter?

If not, how could I try to convert HIP?

 

[Ecnahc]

No it does not. It's brought up quite often on the forum. A quick search should bring you to the other threads, but there is no working way to convert a SWMH game to EUIV. If you are interested in working on it however, there are threads that will give you the info on what needs to be done. A lot of HIP users would love a working converter, but as of yet no one has spent what I imagine would be quite a lot of time to make one. Also, I doubt it will be easy.

 

[theKing1988]

You will obviously need to adapt the converter to SWMH.

But like Ecnahc says, there is no working converter ATM

 

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

Is there anywhere to be found blank map with province borders of SWMH provinces?

 

[theKing1988]

We had an ID map, which we made right after the big Eastern Expansion release last year. It's still stickied in post #2 of this thread if i remember correctly, but it's a bit out-of-date at this point. One of us really needs to get working on making an updated version for you guys

Or are you referring to a RL map with SWMH borders

 

[2ndPorphyry]

Another small point. Romanos IV and Eudokia Makrembolites aren't married until eight months after his ascension, when the events happened on the same day (she needed a powerful co-emperor for her sons, so marrying her was his ticket to the purple). If you can't tell I've been considering a Romanos game for the challenge.

 

[RhaegarTelcontarTargaryen]

We had an ID map, which we made right after the big Eastern Expansion release last year. It's still stickied in post #2 of this thread if i remember correctly, but it's a bit out-of-date at this point. One of us really needs to get working on making an updated version for you guys

Or are you referring to a RL map with SWMH borders

I meant something like that map in the post mentioned. Or even better white map, with visible borders between provinces. Either of the two would be fine. Even the old one might do the trick for what I am asking for.

 

[2ndPorphyry]

Following up on my post the other day about Bari, it looks like an Imperial expedition under the Catapan Michael Maurex/Maurikas also retook Taranto, Gravina, and Brindisi (single holdings only, not whole provinces) in 1066, which were re-lost in '68, '69, and '70 respectively. Bari itself did not fall until April 1071. Again, I think giving the Empire its last historical toehold in Italy will make the area more exciting on day one of any 1066-1071 start.

(I'm only reading from Wikipedia, but the sources cited there are generally reliable works.)

 

[theKing1988]

I have actually found all of that info myself already. If you've noticed, i even have Michael Maurex in the SWMH setup.

And we've actually been aware of the faultyness of our Southern Italian setup for a LONG time. But due to our own in-ability of creating a setup that would cause Southern Italy to fall more often than not, we've sacrificed Byzantine Southern Italy in 1066 because it gave the area a more historically accurate development once you pressed play.

But as a part of the timeline extension work, where i push the startdate back to 1043, we will try to come up with mechanics in collaboration with the EMF guys that will simulate the Norman military muscles in Southern Italy enough to make them a serious threat to the Byzzies no matter when you start from. So i will also change the setup between 1066 and 1071 to better reflect history