[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience

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Is there any reason why Armenia (Hayk) is a dejure part of Byzantium?
Historically most (but not all) of it was held by the Roman Empire from 19 BCE to 337 CE. Then until the early 11th century, only a small western part of it was held.
All of it was lost in 1074, never to be recovered.

So from what I can tell, Armenia should not be a dejure part of the Byzantine Empire, as it was only held by them for about half a century, unless you consider the Roman Empire holding it a dejure claim, in which case half the map should be dejure Byzantine ;)

Cilicia on the other hand should be dejure Byzantine, seeing as they held it for about 1000 years before finally losing it after the campaign starts.
 
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what I want to know is what exactly the people dislike about them, so we could - if possible - change it ;)
It can lead to some strange conquest behaviors. In my last game, the Despotate of Epirus (Frankish, Catholic) conquered Tripolitania, and from there went south, conquered the oases, and then conquered Mali. I understand that they represent traditional trade routes, but are they appropriate avenues for the conquest of Sub-Saharan Africa? Because, implemented as full-fledged provinces, that's exactly what the AI treats them as.
 

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no ETA yet, my best guess would be three weaks but its just a guess. Since its such big version(read HUMONGOUS) we will likely be doing some devdiaries to show(off^^) some of the new stuff, when the parts in question are near ready.


Not any definitive argument no, the most western parts were longtime parts of the ERE but they where made out of Armeneian principalities. So there was some overlap and I was a iffy at where to dismember Armenia vs. ERE in way I would be happy with.

For Cillia yes ERE might come more natural. The reason I didn't include it was the same that I didn't put Antioch in. Being that the game is "crusader kings". I liked the idea of the crusader states(yes it wasn't a crusader state but it worked in such close tandem with Antioch through most of its exsistence, that might aswell have been) would if they were formed, be free to carve their own little history without interference from a de jure empires( be able to set their own crownlaws, not be de jure claimed, etc)
Its a debateable desicion and a lot could be said against it, but Im pretty happy with it especially in game terms.

Im more open to move Armenia out than including Cillia. Can't say definitively how the area will look until I have had time to do somthing about Anatolia though, so any possible changes for this version might only survive until Anatolia gets refurnished(likely two versions away).
Cilicia was a part of the Roman, then Eastern Roman Empire for over a thousand years (though very briefly lost a couple of times, but so was Thrace). They had ruled that area for longer in 1066 than much of Thrace, so it not being a dejure part of the empire makes very little sense.
Some small western parts of what's currently Armenia definitely make sense as dejure Byzantine, but anything east of the Black Sea does not.

No it works fine^^, Meneth kindly borrowed us the holywar CB from Project Balance hence why its a bit different than vanilla.

So holywar now works this way:
Dukes and below cannot declare holy war on provinces they don't border
Emperors need Limited Crown Authority to declare holy war
Kings need Limited Crown Authority to declare holy war on non-bordering duchies. Emperors need Medium
Muslims cannot declare holy war or Jihad on Miaphysites or Orthodox Ethiopians, and vice versa
Limited Crown Authority is required to declare holy war on pagans
Kings with any dukes at under -10 opinion need Medium Crown Authority to declare holy war on Pagans
Emperors with any kings/dukes at under -10 opinion need Medium Crown Authority to declare holy war
Kings with any dukes at under -10 opinion need Limited Crown Authority to declare holy war
Emperors need to have above -15 relations with all duke/king vassals to increase Crown Authority
Depressed, infirm, or incapable rulers cannot declare holy war
Content rulers cannot declare holy war unless they're Brave or Wroth, Zealous, Lunatic, or Possessed
Craven rulers cannot declare holy war unless they're Ambitious, Wroth, Zealous, Lunatic, or Possessed
Cynical rulers cannot declare holy war unless they're Ambitious, Brave, Wroth, Lunatic, or Possessed
Stressed rulers cannot declare holy war unless they're Ambitious, Brave, Wroth, Zealous Lunatic, or Possessed
Having any two of Cynical, Craven, Stressed, and Content will prevent rulers from declaring holy war (unless they're Lunatic or Possessed)
If the target duchy is not part of a de jure kingdom or empire the ruler holds, he has to be Ambitious, Brave, Wroth, Zealous, Lunatic, or Possessed to declare holy war
If the target duchy is not part of a de jure kingdom or empire the ruler holds, he cannot be Cynical, Craven, Stressed, and Content (unless they're Possessed or Lunatic, or has any two of Ambitious, Brave, Wroth or Zealous)
Rulers below 100 piety cannot start holy wars
Added a 5-year cooldown between holy wars and the special Muslim CBs (when used upon other religious groups)
You can probably drop the opinion based bits of that; I've done it in PB a few versions ago, and it hasn't made holy wars out of control ;)
And if you haven't already, you should add the set of decisions showing when holy war is possible to make it more transparent.

Blame it on Basil II, but the nominal control the ERE had over Eastern Anatolia shouldn't make them dejure. Before Basil II the Armenians and Georgians ruled themselves just fine. Everything east of the line heading southwest from Trebizond to Cilicia should be dejure Armenian (Or Georgian).
Very much this :)
 

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Thanks for this. Is there somewhere I can edit the part where 'Kings with any dukes at under -10 opinion need Medium Crown Authority to declare holy war on Pagans'? My AAR starts with a 16 year old king and every duke hates him.
In 00_cb_types in common\cb_types in the SWMH folder. Search for "religious" and you'll find all conditions for Holy War.
 

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If the opinion bits don't count then my declare war is still broken. I have limited crown authority and still can't declare war on pagans.
They count in stand-alone SWMH. I'm just suggesting to Aasmul to get rid of those conditions ;)
Feel free to try PB+SWMH though; it makes the game as a whole a lot more balanced, and does get rid of those opinion conditions as of a few versions ago. Link to Project Balance is in my signature.
 

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Different than Synergy I assume then? I'll give it a try, thanks.
Yeah, Synergy is CK2+ and SWMH.
CK2+ is more content-oriented than PB; it adds a lot of new stuff which some people obviously like, while PB tries to stay much closer to the vanilla experience, simply tweaking things for the most part to make them more historically plausible and make things a bit more interesting.
 

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Just tried it and there are only like 5 nations on the map and none playable.
Make sure you've done the installation in this order:
1. SWMH
2. PB and PB+SWMH (either separately through the .7z archives, or simultaneously using the .exe)
3. Enable SWMH, PB+SWMH, and PB in the launcher.
 

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Alright I got it working but I'm still having the same problem where declare war is greyed. I'll try reinstalling the game.

I reinstalled and it still does it. :confused:
There are some limitations on declaring war. Use the "is war possible" decision to check them out.
 

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Could you change the color of Provence slightly? It looks almost exactly the same as the HRE:
rvxbXi6.jpg


Oh and the count of Artsakh's realm is always broken up on day one due to the demesne limit. Perhaps he should hold a ducal title?
Image illustrating the issue:
6C7Qs7s.jpg
 
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@elvain & highsis: From looking at Project Synergy's hotfix it appears the issue is caused by the title having no holder between Idnerth's death in 1056 and Madog's son becoming count in 1090.
It appears that Madog isn't set as count for whatever reason, so he should be added into the title history upon Idnerth's death.

Edit: Simply adding this into c_maelienydd fixes the issue:
1056.2.1={
holder=131702
}
 
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One of the reasons why this wasn't really addressed is that there is going to be large update, where the British isles will be completely remade.
Is that next update?
If not you should probably just throw the holder fix in there ;)
 

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hi, i was just wondering
playing as Hungary is it normal that i cant declare holy war for the neighbouring pechnang(?) pagans?
There are trait and crown authority restrictions to holy war in SWMH. You can find the exact restrictions in the 00_cb_types.txt file, in the "religious" CB.
 

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In my test games the caliph doesn't use de-jure claim on the Duchy of Nubia, don't worry.
You are totally right. It would not be wise, and would be ahistorical to keep Duchy of Nubia de-jure part of Egypt.
I mean:
Fantastic :)
 

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Is the impassable terrain between Burgos and Najera historical? From what I can find the mountains in the area only block travel from Soria to Najera and Logrono, and don't extend far enough north to block travel between Burgos and Najera.
In fact, the War of the Three Sanchos was primarily fought in Najera and Burgos, heavily implying that troops could indeed travel between those two provinces in Medieval times.

Edit: And on a somewhat related note, from what I can find Viscaya was a part of Navarra in 1066, not Castille:
Europe-south-west-kingdoms.png

That map is of 1065, right after Ferdinand the Great's death.
 
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Roughly 90km between the two running over remarkably flat terrain north of a bunch of small mountains. No blockage between the two.

Vizcaya, Najera, Lagroño, Guizpocaya: All Navarra at the time. Their territory dipped a bit south of the Ebro.
Hopefully the SWMH team will fix that for the next patch then :)
Though with another Castillan province becoming Navarran, Castille might need more provinces (or holdings). Currently they have the fewest provinces of the three western Christian kingdoms, despite being the most powerful in 1066.
 

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Another thing, isn't Itil a bit misplaced. In vanilla it is all the way down at the Caspian Sea. Or is that just another Vanilla fail?

ETA: And when you have actually found a way to give Novgorod and Pskov sea access, couldn't the same be done for Firenze, so that it can become a republic too.
In the case of Novgorod they could connect the lake there to the sea, either via adjacencies (I think that'd work?) or via making the river into part of the sea, like in Hamburg.