[MOD] SWMH 2.0 Map, de jure and general history mod. For a superior CK2 experience

[Alyoshenka]

By the way, I know we have already had the discussion long ago, but the division of Catalonia in Old and New Catalonias is so many layers of wrong that it's bothering me a lot. It's both inaccurate, since such division wouldn't be used until the 1800's and by historians, and ineffective, since it removes the de jure claims the Counts of Barcelona should have to be competeing for Muslim lands with Aragon, who now has the upper hand in a royal way.

The thing is because you need two duchies to create a kingdom, you wouldn't be able to form the Kingdom of Catalonia with de jure Catalonia only.

 

[elvain]

I was not discussing this to make you change your mind, I was just pointing out how it caused more problems than it solved. I may be wrong there. But since there's a good minimod to make it all nice English, I'm ok with it. Pointing something out is not a crime, is it?

Surely not a crime. why should be? Just reopening it only few posts after this particular discussion has ended is quite annoying for someone who has to read it all.
But frankly I had learned to ignore such posts... unless they state something what IMO harms either us or our work. And that was the reason why I replied. I simply can not accept your claim that our approach can not be backed as atempt for more accuracy. it does not create an accurate world/map (nobody claims it) but considering our goals (immersion), possibilities and alternatives (which all suffer the same problems like our approach except easier orientation in case of modern English) - it creates the most accurate environment possible with the tools available.

Nothing better but also (taking away personal preferences which ignore one crucial goal of this mod) nothing worse.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

I repeat myself.

I am going to step in here. The curators of this mod have stepped up and said that they do not plan to change their approach concerning names. I am sure bugging them about it is not going to improve their mood or make them change. I therefore ask that future users respect this wish and let the issue drop. If you don't like it, as elvain suggested: use the English-only mod or work on your own mod.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

Nothing better but also (taking away personal preferences which ignore one crucial goal of this mod) nothing worse.

I agree.

The thing is because you need two duchies to create a kingdom, you wouldn't be able to form the Kingdom of Catalonia with de jure Catalonia only.

Then I suggest changing the Duchy of Nova Catalunya into the Duchy of Montblanch, because otherwise it's one of those situations in which gameplay harms accuracy.

I'll give you, though, there's no easy solution, so I won't blame you if you just keep it the way it is. Spain is pretty well done in this map (although I'd have liked the counties of Besalú or Cerdanya, but well).

 

[xBasilisk]

Are there plans to make this mod compatible with ROI?

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

Are there plans to make this mod compatible with ROI?

It is compatible, but they haven't released a map with India yet.

 

[Sarenarass]

It is compatible, but they haven't released a map with India yet.

BUT WHEN, WHEN WILL THEY? I've been waiting for months and all the information I've got says it will "take awhile" so I check this place every 3-4 days. ._.

 

[Sarenarass]

It is compatible, but they haven't released a map with India yet.

BUT WHEN, WHEN WILL THEY? I've been waiting for months and all the information I've got says it will "take awhile" so I check this place every 3-4 days. ._.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

BUT WHEN, WHEN WILL THEY? I've been waiting for months and all the information I've got says it will "take awhile" so I check this place every 3-4 days. ._.

Map work takes a long time, especially when you are just a part-time moder. My guess is total time will be measured in months (plural).

 

[Warial]

BUT WHEN, WHEN WILL THEY? I've been waiting for months and all the information I've got says it will "take awhile" so I check this place every 3-4 days. ._.

I'm 99% sure it will be released in this year .

 

[Veniathan]

If I load this up with my game, it simply crashes. And that's the end of that.

I can't play, with or without other mods. Why is this issue here ?

 

[Palfouri]

This is an incredibly minor thing, but the localization for Polska has a space after it in the localization file which messes up how it displays in game. I think a few other entries have the same problem but I can't remember off the top of my head.

 

[elvain]

BUT WHEN, WHEN WILL THEY? I've been waiting for months and all the information I've got says it will "take awhile" so I check this place every 3-4 days. ._.

there really is no need to check the update this often. It will still be a question of months... and once we get somwhere where we could share somehing you will see a dev diary or something of the kind. And that will still be week(s) before the actual release.

If I load this up with my game, it simply crashes. And that's the end of that.

I can't play, with or without other mods. Why is this issue here ?

And what game version do you use? Many people recemtly had similar problems after they took part in the public beta for which we obviously don't have new version.

This is an incredibly minor thing, but the localization for Polska has a space after it in the localization file which messes up how it displays in game. I think a few other entries have the same problem but I can't remember off the top of my head.

Thanks for telling us!

 

[Veniathan]

I realized that I screwed up when I used the independant version. I should have not done that, and I was tired so didn't read all the info regarding it. Yes it crashes.

Now it's fine (from the HIP link)

 

[Veniathan]

After testing this mod I have to say it's great. But is there any way to bring back Lappland? I loved that area!

You did great job in Croatia, just I don't understand the historically inaccurate coat of arms. But otherwise all is good, great job with this mod

 

[unmerged(547912)]

BUT WHEN, WHEN WILL THEY? I've been waiting for months and all the information I've got says it will "take awhile" so I check this place every 3-4 days. ._.

Well I made it a little bit easy for them:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?776221-Proposed-Map-Extension-or-submod-to-HIP

This will allow you to play not only India but also parts of East Africa not yet considered.

I know a lot of you will think this is too big to be played. I disagree. The biggest issue is cleaning up the HIP mod it self, because when I used that program that checks for errors and issues (which I downloaded off here), I found nearly 40,000 issues with HIP which in turn would cause the lagging issues that you would see. So it not the size of the map, but rather the lack of cleaned up programming. Too many issues where a semicolon or bracket or whatever isn't placed where it is suppose to be placed. That kind of stuff is what is actually hurting the game, not the size of the map. So you can include the entire world and it won't do anything.

If HIP is considered post-Beta, I would argue that it is in the Gamma phase, because is still not entirely finished to where it should be.

 

[elvain]

Well I made it a little bit easy for them:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?776221-Proposed-Map-Extension-or-submod-to-HIP

This will allow you to play not only India but also parts of East Africa not yet considered.

I know a lot of you will think this is too big to be played. I disagree. The biggest issue is cleaning up the HIP mod it self, because when I used that program that checks for errors and issues (which I downloaded off here), I found nearly 40,000 issues with HIP which in turn would cause the lagging issues that you would see. So it not the size of the map, but rather the lack of cleaned up programming. Too many issues where a semicolon or bracket or whatever isn't placed where it is suppose to be placed. That kind of stuff is what is actually hurting the game, not the size of the map. So you can include the entire world and it won't do anything.

Thank you, but not really help - if we were to use this, it would rather do the oposite - make the things more complicated. That's why we ignored your proposal and will do so.

There already is a plan for inclusion of India and Central Asia and much of the work has already been done - large parts of the map have already been drawn. Some parts are/will be left out intentionaly and unles the team changes its mind, it won't change.

So we are sorry, but for reasons obvious to anyone who watches our work for some time, we have to refuse this initiative as something we can not and will not use.
EDIT: We hope you won't mind and believe, that as a reasonable person you will understand our reasons.

 

[JonStryker]

Thank you, but not really help - if we were to use this, it would rather do the oposite - make the things more complicated. That's why we ignored your proposal and will do so.

There already is a plan for inclusion of India and Central Asia and much of the work has already been done - large parts of the map have already been drawn. Some parts are/will be left out intentionaly and unles the team changes its mind, it won't change.

So we are sorry, but for reasons obvious to anyone who watches our work for some time, we have to refuse this initiative as something we can not and will not use.
EDIT: We hope you won't mind and believe, that as a reasonable person you will understand our reasons.

Wow, this is a very nice answer to a post that got highly pretentious towards the end.
Being able to run the Validator doesn't make anybody a better modder than the members of the dreamteam of CK2 modders that HIP is. Everyone that used the Validator for more than an hour knows that it spits out tons of "errors" that either don't matter at all or have 0 impact on performance.
Saying "but rather the lack of cleaned up programming" is imho just insulting

 

[theKing1988]

Well I made it a little bit easy for them:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?776221-Proposed-Map-Extension-or-submod-to-HIP

This will allow you to play not only India but also parts of East Africa not yet considered.

I know a lot of you will think this is too big to be played. I disagree. The biggest issue is cleaning up the HIP mod it self, because when I used that program that checks for errors and issues (which I downloaded off here), I found nearly 40,000 issues with HIP which in turn would cause the lagging issues that you would see. So it not the size of the map, but rather the lack of cleaned up programming. Too many issues where a semicolon or bracket or whatever isn't placed where it is suppose to be placed. That kind of stuff is what is actually hurting the game, not the size of the map. So you can include the entire world and it won't do anything.

If HIP is considered post-Beta, I would argue that it is in the Gamma phase, because is still not entirely finished to where it should be.

Given the fact that they have explicitly stated that not all of India will be included, that they need to make the India projection from scratch and that they are already overhauling several regions on the existing map, you haven't made things easier for them, don't kid yourself.

And hearing you repeat the nonsense that the game can handle including most of the world or the whole world without it making any difference in game performance just makes me laugh.

 

[drorin]

The territories of present-day France, have dynamic names as the territories of the Iberian peninsula?
Because in my game appears "Francia", not "France" in French Kingdom.