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Perhaps this may be of some use. It's a map of the political divisions of Ireland circa 1066. I've shown the boundaries between the provinces (in blue), major provincial sub-divisions (in green), and regional overkingdoms in red. These are all labelled in their appropriate colour. I cannot claim complete accuracy, but it is based on recent scholarship done by Paul McCotter on the trícha cét, the Irish cantredal system and basis for administration (and are outlined here in black). I thought it may be useful for anyone who wished to compile a large Britannia Map, or perhaps for those who want more accuracy in provincial and sub-provincial boundaries. Names for the trícha cét themselves (where present) are in later Norman forms, but each are numbered and I intend to put up their native names along with their number at a later stage.


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And, as promised, the names of the individual trícha cét.

1. Fotharta Fea
2. Uí Bairrche Tíre
3. Uí Buide
4. Uí Dróna
5. Uí Felmeda Tuaid
6. Bac & Glenn Nemthenne
7. Uí Briúin Rátha
8. Cairpe Mór
9. Clann Fhergail & Meadraige
10. Clann Taidg & Uí Diarmata
11. Conmaicne Cenéoil Dubáin
12. Conmaicne Cúile Talad
13. Conmaicne Mara
14. Corann
15. Crích Fer Tíre, Tír Énna & Tír Nechtain
16. Cera
17. Fir Tíre & Clann Chuáin
18. Luigne
19. Trícha Máenmaige
20. Muintir Máelfináin
21. Muintir Murchada
22. Cenél Áeda na hEchtge
23. Cenél Guaire
24. Iorrus
25. Umall
26. Sliab Luga & Ciarraige
27. Síl Anmchada
28. Ciarraige Maige Aí & Síl Máelruanaid
29. Tír Amalgado
30. Tír Fhiachrach Muaide
31. Corcu Loígde & Bérra
32. Fir Maige
33. Uí Flainn Lua
34. In Fonn Iartharach
35. Clann Selbaig
36. Cenél mBéicce
37. Cenél Áeda
38. Cenél Áeda Iartharach
39. Ciarraige Cuirche
40. Uí Meic Caille
41. Múscraige Uí Áeda
42. Múscraige Mittíne
43. Uí Badamna
44. Uí Chuirb Liatháin
45. Eóganacht Locha Léin
46. Áes Alla
47. Áes Iste
48. Uí Glaisín
49. Uí Liatháin
50. An Trícha Meadhónach
51. Uí Dúnchada
52. Fir Chualann
53. Saithne
54. Fine Gall
55. In Trícha
56. Alltraige
57. Áes Conchind
58. Uí Ferba
59. Uíbh Ráthach
60. Áes Irruis
61. Uí Thorna & Uí Fhlannáin
62. Fortúatha Laigen
63. Loigís
64. Úi Failge
65. Uí Fáeláin
66. Uí Muiredaig
67. Tír Ua nGentich
68. Uí Scelláin
69. Síl Faelchair
70. Uí Duach Argatrois
71. Áes Cinn Caille
72. na Clandaibh
73. Uí Eirc
74. Uí Berchon
75. Ceanannas
76. Uí Chairpre Uachtarach
77. Uí Chairpre Íochtarach
78. Inis Géibtine
79. Brug Ríg
80. Seanad
81. Corcu Óche
82. Áes Cluana
83. Luimneac
84. Fonn Timchill
85. Uí Énna
86. An Sechtmad
87. Uaithne Cliach
88. Tratraige
89. Trícha Cét Ua mBlait
90. Uí Chaissíne
91. Cenél Fermaic
92. Corcu Baiscinn Iartharach
93. Corcu Baiscinn Oirthearach
94. Trícha na nAicmed
95. Trícha Cét Fir Arda
96. Crích Bóirne
97. Fir Chell & Cenél Fiachach
98. Cuircne
99. Delbna Ethra
100. Uí Moccu Uais, Uí Thigernáin, Cenél Énda & Delbna Becc
101. Brédach, Fir Bile & Fir Thulach
102. Tethbha & Bregmaine
103. Caipre Gabra
104. Corcu Raíde, Uí Beccon, Uí Fiachrach & Grecraige
105. Mag Assail
106. Delba Mór & na Sogain
107. Caille Follamain
108. Crích na Cétach
109. Gailenga, Luigne & Saithni
110. Tuascirt Breg
111. Deiscert Breg
112. Laegaire
113. Uí Maine
114. Tír Maine
115. Mag Aí
116. na Trí Túatha
117. Mag Luirg & Tír Aillelo
118. Múscraige Tíre
119. Éile Uí Cherbaill
120. Éile Uí Fhócarta
121. Arad Tíre & Uaithne Tíre
122. Eóganacht Chaisil
123. Múscraige Breogain
124. Uí Chuanach
125. Sliabh Ardachaid
126. Múscraige Airthir Femin
127. Mag Talmhan
128. na Cuimsionach
129. Uí Eóghain Fhinn
130. Uí Fothaid Aiched
131. Bréifne
132. Dartraige
133. Muintir Máel Mórda
134. Muintir Eólais
135. Muintir Angaile
136. Tír Énna
137. Tír Lugdach
138. Trícha Esa Rúaid
139. Tír Bóguine
140. Cenél Eogain Telcha Óic
141. Ciannachta
142. Tír Meic Cáirthinn
143. Fir Lí
144. Inis Eógain
145. Mag Ítha
146. Uí Fiachrach Árda Srátha
147. Machaire Damhairne
148. Mag Line
149. An Tuaisceart
150. Dál Riata
151. Uí Thuirtri
152. Uí Blaithmeic
153. Uí Echach Arda
154. Leth Chathail
155. Dál Buinne
156. Clann Diarmata
157. Uí Echach Cobo
158. Lugmad
159. Fir Arda Ciannachta
160. Fír Rois
161. Machair Conaille
162. Cúailnge
163. Mugdorna Maigen
164. Ind Airthir
165. Cluain Eóis
166. Fir Manach
167. Clochair
168. Uí Echach
169. Uí Óengusa
170. Dún Garbháin
171. Uí Fothaid Tíre
172. Uí Brigte
173. Sliab Cua
174. Tearmann
175. Áth Meadhain
176. Síl Máeluidir
177. Síl Forannáin
178. Fothairt in Chairn
179. Uí Bairrche
180. Fir na gCenél
181. Síl mBriain
182. Duibthír
183. Síl nÉlóthaig
184. Síl Mella
 

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very impressive. nice!
 

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How applicable is this to the 5th-6th century? I'm sure Rooster would appreciate anything applicable to that era for his Matter of Britain mod. I'm also sure there's a paucity of sources for that era.
 

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How applicable is this to the 5th-6th century? I'm sure Rooster would appreciate anything applicable to that era for his Matter of Britain mod. I'm also sure there's a paucity of sources for that era.

I've given this to rooster. There are some provisos, i.e. it is and it isn't. The borders of the provincial kingdoms were ancient, but the overkingdoms could fluctuate quite a bit. What McCotter seems to argue in his work is that the borders of the trícha cét (the smallest unit I mentioned there), were quite solid and was formerly a local kingdoms which eventually transformed into a administrative unit functioning the same as a hundred. He claims the borders were quite resistant despite the fact that new dynasties took over, and were subsequently resistant to the invasion itself, becoming the Norman cantred. Indeed, that's evident from the names of the trícha cét, many of which were based on those of dynasties or population groups long displaced or removed from power.
 

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What would the lords be called? What are the equivalents of Barons, Counts, Dukes etc?
 

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What would the lords be called? What are the equivalents of Barons, Counts, Dukes etc?

Well, they would have been called kings of various descriptions. The lord of the late-túath which were the constituent elements of the trícha cét, would have been called taísech(meanings the first, the leader, often glossed with the latin dux. Leaders of the trícha cét were called rí tuaithe (king of a túath), but it must be remembered he enjoyed the same amount of power as any local lord elsewhere, was just an honorific. Their superiors (the equivalent of Thomond and Desmond in the game), would have been called rí túath (king of more than one túath). Above them was the provincial king called ard-rí or ruirech, which would be equivalent to the game's dukes, and then the Rí Érenn (king of Ireland) or Ard-rí Érenn (High-King of Ireland) above that.
 

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I'm not much into real historical research and I guess you already know about this website but I was looking for a map of the tricha cét and found THIS.

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I'm not much into real historical research and I guess you already know about this website but I was looking for a map of the tricha cét and found THIS.

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That's a barony map. They don't always conform to the trícha cét, but as you can see, in some cases they do. The trícha cét map is a better reflection of actual pre-Norman boundaries.
 

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Interesting stuff. It'd be great if someone skilled at map modding could make something inspired by this so I could shamelessly steal it for my own mod :p
 

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Interesting stuff. It'd be great if someone skilled at map modding could make something inspired by this so I could shamelessly steal it for my own mod :p

I second that. Imagine ard rí mod with a map that size, would be absolute chaos.
 

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If Rooster fills out Ireland in Matter of Britain, the map should be about that size.
 

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Beautiful, glorious chaos...

An emperor level high-king, and king level provincial kings, duke level regional kingdoms and count level trícha cét owners. You'd have to have conquest cbs that brought 5 or 6 provinces under your sway at once, only to defect when you least expect it.
 

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If Rooster fills out Ireland in Matter of Britain, the map should be about that size.

Thanks to all of you for posting information on my grandmother's homeland. I will do what I can with it. I am adding history up to the mid-500s for my mod, but I would welcome anyone or a team putting together later history (characters and provinces) and making any suggestions of course. I'm getting to the point where I could use some help, and in any case as a one-man project (though some folks have been nice enough to either do things for it or given me invaluable data like riadach has), Matter of Britain covers the map rather roughly--according to oral tradition this guy ruled southwest Wales in the 490s, that sort of thing. Ireland is comparatively easy to fill in for the early fifth century. It's southeastern Britain that is a black hole actually.
 

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An emperor level high-king, and king level provincial kings, duke level regional kingdoms and count level trícha cét owners. You'd have to have conquest cbs that brought 5 or 6 provinces under your sway at once, only to defect when you least expect it.

That's sort of how things are in my map right now, but for Wales and southwest England. The emperor title is elective, and the holder has one king title. He has a few dukes (I call them princes) under him, and then there are two other kings, each with three dukes under him. And then all thirteen dukes and kings get together and vote on the highkingship. Absolute madness so far. :D

I plan to do the same thing for Ireland. I am stopping at 550. I can't do more than that, although the information is out there for anyone who wants to do an add-on or a separate scenario.
 

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That's sort of how things are in my map right now, but for Wales and southwest England. The emperor title is elective, and the holder has one king title. He has a few dukes (I call them princes) under him, and then there are two other kings, each with three dukes under him. And then all thirteen dukes and kings get together and vote on the highkingship. Absolute madness so far. :D

I plan to do the same thing for Ireland. I am stopping at 550. I can't do more than that, although the information is out there for anyone who wants to do an add-on or a separate scenario.

What have you used as the basis of your Welsh maps? Cantredal structure?
 

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What have you used as the basis of your Welsh maps? Cantredal structure?

Yes. It seemed the best choice for modeling local government. The castle represents the hereditary tribal leadership, while the city represents the community. In Wales, I used the names of cantrefi for province names, and the names of commotes within those cantrefi for city names.

Here is what I cooked up for Ireland so far:

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That is beautiful, my mouth is watering here.

I am likely to finish Ulster today. Maybe start on Connacht or Leinster. I really will have to consider combining some of the divisions from your map, so that I don't have too many provinces. I'll finish the island first and think on it. Any input from you or whoever else wants to comment would be great. Right now the two duchies in Ulaid have six or seven provinces each IIRC, which is kind of big for a duchy.

I'm leaving the provinces all at two holdings each, with the possibility of adding Christian monasteries later.