Hmm interesting, but where do you get these numbers from? I presume that by "all users" you mean "the number of users who allowed the data snooper to send statistics"?
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well, if we can extrapolate, that means there are around 400k users who have elected to upload data, 80k of which have played a mod (that runs via a launcher) one time or another.
if we pretend 80% of users click yes to the send-data thing, then that's half a million CK2 players....
(5,000 of which have played LI, but that's a different matter :laugh:
Oh, there were definitely a lot of unexpected events in history. The sack of Constantinople during the 4th Crusade for example is a great example of that.Meneth, the question is: How historically plausible was our history?
It seems like the flow of events was so often triggered by some totally unexpected events which go against any rule of historical plausibility
Only very few historical events were inevitable according to rules of historical plausibility. But this is too far from modding.
It is essential to believe that you in your mod are doing your best to improve the game the best way ever. The fact is, though, that if anyone else would have the time and passion that the modders have, there would probably be many more other mods using other perspectives to improve the game feeling... each of them being the best from given perspective.
However, even the unexpected events make some sense.
Ruler dying unexpectedly? Makes perfect sense.
The stars aligning so that the Baltics are conquered by the Christians by year 1100? Not really.
Norway joining a crusade and Jerusalem thus ending up with a Norwegian ruler? Sure, why not.
The Fatimids breaking the Baqt which they were reaping major benefits from in order to conquer Ethiopia? No, doesn't make much sense (though is still doable in PB if you're determined)
So while some individual, unexpected events can indeed have major effects, some outcomes require such a huge number of unlikely events that they should only happen once in a blue moon (read: once in 50 games or so at most), rather than most games like in vanilla.
I play TPTT(which is very fun and full of flavor for me, England gets all sorts of neat decisions) , never tried any other mod except PB, which was a while ago and can't remember anything about it's features, will have to try it again.
Meneth, things in history are just as seemingly implausible as anything you just mentioned. Read about the Plague of Justinian sometime if you want a sense of how contingent history is. Basically the ERE was in the middle of its last great resurgence and a plague killed 40% of the residents of Constantinople (and most of the rest of the empire). Boom, overnight endgame for the strongest shot at a return to Roman form. Heck, if it wasn't for that perhaps we'd all be debating in Latin and anyone who suggested that the Empire might have fallen in the the mid 6th century would be being shouted down.
And such rare things can happen once in a while, even in PB.
But the Baltics being conquered by 1100 4 games out of 5 is patently silly. It happening 1 game out of 50 on the other hand isn't unreasonable; that's the stars aligning like in your example.
I don't try to entirely eliminate historically implausible outcomes, just reduce their occurrence to more closely reflect the actual plausibility of them happening.
I would say Baltics being christianized without holy orders is silly and more problematic. Surely other kingdoms tried to conquer these Pagan regions, but the Teutonic Order was the most effective organization, since they could recruit crusaders from Western Europe and get money from Low German cities.
Meneth: you seems to operate under different definition of historical plasubility.
My definition of historical plausibility:
Outcomes that had next to no chance of happening historically from a start in 1066, should only happen rarely.
Quite a simple definition really.
As Riknap pointed out, what is the point in this discussion? The very idea of mods is to provide alternatives that does not necessarily appeal to everyone.
I will be honest and say that, in my opinion, this PB has a couple of really poor choices regarding the gameplay mechanisms. But since there clearly is a demand for such changes and this demand can be covered by a mod like PB; such changes will hopefully stay out of the vanilla version.
Now.. if someone will just make a "good" one that deals with balancing strategic choices
I will be honest and say that, in my opinion, this PB has a couple of really poor choices regarding the gameplay mechanisms. But since there clearly is a demand for such changes and this demand can be covered by a mod like PB; such changes will hopefully stay out of the vanilla version.
Now.. if someone will just make a "good" one that deals with balancing strategic choices
