[MOD] Maiden Mod

[Parha]

Edit: Hopefully you feel better soon.

First, I hope you feel better soon! :wub:

this is official. I have received more hope you feel betters from the internet than my family... not sure how to feel about that..

I love your ideas for this mod, and have been enjoying the current 0.2 version in my game. My only suggestion regarding mechanics would be that the Maiden trait should be for girls 12 to 16-and-up only. (12 because, as I understand it, that's the earliest the medieval Catholic Church allowed spiritually-binding marriages to take place. And 16 because, of course, that's when CKII young women reach legal maturity.) It's a bit... disconcerting to see a baby girl not even 1 year old yet be described as a "maiden" and said to be "looked upon lustily by men". But on the other hand, maybe I'm just a bad CKII player, and am injecting too much modern-day sensibility to this thing! Anyway, it's just a suggestion; take it or not, as you want.

I changed up the localisation a bit this time, hopefully it wont be as child-molerterly

Great mod! Would you mind if I added it to a fantasy mod I'm making? I'd give credits and a link of course

Sure! Just tell me what your mod is so i can try it when it comes out!

CK2 can always do with more blood, sex and death.

Agreed

OFFICIAL NOTICE!!!
Considering the 3 / 3 responses for white background, I shall go with it. The green one is still in the files for anyone who wants it though. I will make a little guide on how to use the greenbackground. Also, I will probably be releasing 0.3 in a few days, I havn't experienced any bugs with it and I just need to bring myself to localise the events.

 

[ironsides11]

I'm glad everyone liked the white background I suggested. I feel a sense of great accomplishment. And of course you deserve praise for making it look nice.

More ideas:
- Maidens can be ransomed for more.

- Allow players to pick maiden, deflowered, unfaithful, ect in ruler designer.

- Marrying a maiden gives extra prestige to the groom's family, and piety to the bride's family.

 

[Azarias59]

I'm glad everyone liked the white background I suggested. I feel a sense of great accomplishment. And of course you deserve praise for making it look nice.

More ideas:

- Raiders may choose to deflower maidens they capture. Stopping such a thing from happening may lead to some opinion malus, loss of prestige, ect, but will lead to the maiden liking you.

- Maidens can be ransomed for more.

- Maidens may lose maidenhood if in dungeons for too long.

- Deflowerment may have dire consequences in Islamic regions.

- Allow players to pick maiden, deflowered, unfaithful, ect in ruler designer.

- Muslim maidens can wear veils?

- Marrying a maiden gives extra prestige to the groom's family, and piety to the bride's family.

The name of the trait should be kept as Maiden, because that specifically indicates female virginity, which was worth much more than male virginity in the Medieval era.

Make sure this doesn't get out of control. Also, I don't see why maidens would think being raped by a raider to be a "good" thing...

 

[richvh]

It's not that maidens think being raped by a raider is a good thing, they think having the leader of the raiders stop the rape is a good thing, and that said leader loses opinion from fellow raiders and a prestige hit by doing so. (The suggestion was poorly worded, but that's my understanding of what was meant.)

 

[Azarias59]

It's not that maidens think being raped by a raider is a good thing, they think having the leader of the raiders stop the rape is a good thing, and that said leader loses opinion from fellow raiders and a prestige hit by doing so. (The suggestion was poorly worded, but that's my understanding of what was meant.)

OH, i just now saw that you said "stopping such a thing". Silly me.

 

[Parha]

I'm glad everyone liked the white background I suggested. I feel a sense of great accomplishment. And of course you deserve praise for making it look nice.

More ideas:

- Raiders may choose to deflower maidens they capture. Stopping such a thing from happening may lead to some opinion malus, loss of prestige, ect, but will lead to the maiden liking you.

- Maidens can be ransomed for more.

- Maidens may lose maidenhood if in dungeons for too long.

- Deflowerment may have dire consequences in Islamic regions.

- Allow players to pick maiden, deflowered, unfaithful, ect in ruler designer.

- Muslim maidens can wear veils?

- Marrying a maiden gives extra prestige to the groom's family, and piety to the bride's family.

The name of the trait should be kept as Maiden, because that specifically indicates female virginity, which was worth much more than male virginity in the Medieval era.

I have had a long day so forgive me if my answers are short, dont take it as an offense

The raiders thing, I dont know how to do that without the waylits seige mod so unfortunately a no. Unless you have another idea of course

Maiden in dungeons could maybe have an event where they are raped by another prisoner, dont know about that though as if they are highborn, they would probably have a special guard as they are worth more.

The Islam thing, I have no clue why so could you explain this feature to me a bit more?

I think I will allow those traits in ruler designer, the will be a 0.3 thing.

Dont want to touch image files due to compatibility

I will probably change the marriage events to give more prestige and piety for marrying a maiden same way Zoroastrain marriage gives piety for Xedowah (I think thats how you spell it)

 

[thadian]

I think by Deflowerment / Islam, he is referring to Honor Killings.

I would suggest something like:

If person who deflowered woman is a leader, and deflowered woman is daughter/sister/cousin/whatever of a leader, the leader (insulted) would get a CB for revenge - or a special plot. There should also be a "Plot" to "Rescue Prisoner" to help this, really.

I guess the Revenge CB would be gained upon deflowerment through event message. Going to war should cost no piety or prestige, nobody can call in allies, hostile to others yes. If successful, FROM becomes a prisoner of ROOT (which you would then execute).

You could also dabble with Rival = Yes and Enemy = Yes, and CB types. I thought this was too stupid to propose to add at first, but then I realized that "Love" is like religion; an overhyped, overvalued feeling that is used to justify some terrible things in the world.


Edit: I have no clue what Enemy = Yes actually does.

 

[sleath56]

Yes yes and yes, also give men a "Gentlemen" trait counterbalanced by being able to get the "Unfaithful" one. Maybe make Gentlemen, and Maiden be opposite of Unfaithful? I would also make a same_trait opinion for Unfaithful as like minded people

'The Gentlemen' did not come about until the Renaissance and early Modern Era. In the Middle Ages, it was more about Chivalry. Or just use Honourable, Courteous or Noble.

 

[..wesker..]

Will this get an update for 2.3 ?

 

[Parha]

I am SOOOOO sorry guys, I have just gotten mixed up in stuff and have not had time to finish this up. As far as I know, it should be compatible with 0.3

 

[thadian]

Good mod is good.

And will only get better.

 

[mac2636]

Great work Parha, hope you can find the time keep it up.

 

[TehIdiot]

Can you put a link to the mod plz.

 

[Parha]

Good mod is good.

And will only get better.

Great work Parha, hope you can find the time keep it up.

Thanks Guys.

Can you put a link to the mod plz.

Between the Christmas Rushing and working on the Essaria mod, I have not had time to finish the last bits up. Since I have a completely clear weekend, that is the best date to hope for. Please stick around 'till I finish it up

EDIT: If anyone knows how to work the Validator, PLEASE PM me so that I can figure out why the events are crashing the game. I just need to fix that and finish up some trait related items and then 0.3 is ready to go!

 

[Parha]

I want to give everybody an update, I have not abandoned this mod. I am working on the Essaria mod for most of my freetime, and I still have school to deal with. Again, if anyone knows how to check events, please contact me. Have a good week guys !

 

[Xoatly]

Excited to see you continue this mod.

You could add a few events.

• Jaime/Cersei type events for Zoroastrian or Messalian religions
• Hiding a daughter's pregnancy to keep her "pure" or sending her off to a nunnery
• A Ward falling in love with your son/daughter, ending up in a bastard.
• A lady/queen who wants to preserve her maidenhood could end up with unique nicknames, akin to The Virgin Queen

 

[Parha]

• Jaime/Cersei type events for Zoroastrian or Messalian religions

Just incest in general? Please go into more detail as I am always intrested in more AGOT features

• Hiding a daughter's pregnancy to keep her "pure" or sending her off to a nunnery

Really good idea, maybe restricting the Nunnery option to zealous characters? I am not sure.

• A Ward falling in love with your son/daughter, ending up in a bastard.

I have always wanted something like this in the game actually, so this is a definite add-in at some point

• A lady/queen who wants to preserve her maidenhood could end up with unique nicknames, akin to The Virgin Queen

I already have something similar, but I could defiantly add that

UDATE!!!! The absolutley wonderful Hatetrain and starwarsfan541 have alreadfy PMed me offering their help. Give them a round of applause in your mind or something!

 

[Parha]

0.3 is up! AGOT compatible version will be later up today

 

[LordPeter]

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UDATE!!!! The absolutley wonderful Hatetrain and starwarsfan541 have alreadfy PMed me offering their help. Give them a round of applause in your mind or something!

0.3 is up! AGOT compatible version will be later up today

Great! Interesting mod idea, will try it out now.

 

[Parha]

Great! Interesting mod idea, will try it out now.

I hope you like it! Let me know if there are any suggestions you may have!