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Was the odd typo-mess at the end of the reformed Greeco-Roman/Olympic faith fixed ?, it's quite hard to make out what it's meant to say. I know it's something about the priesthood been organised and presumably something about the rest of the world but that's it.

I don't recall who wrote this one, but I believe it's one of the contributors who was very lacking in grammar (I did a quick spell check today and there were several instances of "ceromany" in a single sentence instead of "ceremony"). I'll rewrite the part about the priesthood as it is indeed very confusing.
 

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I hope you update before touching it, as I just gave the whole description of graeco_roman_reformed a good once-over.
 

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I try to keep track in the Matrix of which description is "draft" and which one is "edited-final", to be able to plan and move forward in this area. So if you both work on a description, I'll define it as "finalized". Please let me know either here, by email or in SVN messages when you edit a description and consider it finalized. As of now I mark graeco_roman_reformed as finalized.
 

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What version are you running, of both CK2 and LI?
 

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Download link in the OP is for 2.1.4, won't even remotely run with 2.2.x. Grab the SVN version (runs fairly well on 2.2.0.x betas), or if you want a simple download, get the "unofficial" release 0.6k1 from the "unofficial" release thread, and back up to 2.1.6. (0.6j1, the download linked in the OP, has crashbugs related to raising special troops with 2.1.6.)
 

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Sounds like you didn't let it complete.
 

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Has not yet been implemented, we're waiting on the law review to be completed. (And since viceroyalties are a DLC feature, you'll still need to have Chuckie to utilize them.)
 

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Is it possible that the starting king of cartage gets a son, he starts unmarried with Leprosy making playing him a game of hope i get a son before he dies. Played as Cartage for a few decades in the latest SVN build and had fun trying to recreate the empire. I did miss the custom building chains that this mod had in earlier versions and i hope you can get those working again. The survey the realm decision did feel like he only visited a few places maybe add a province visited modifier each time an event of that chain triggers and make it end after x years or when all provinces have the visited modifier?
 

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You mean the kin-slaying King of Carthage? How do you think he got that trait?
 

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We really ought to expand that guy's character though. Being a leprous kinslaying poet, he would make for such a great villain...

He would! I assumed he was a homage to King Baldwin from the Kingdom of Heaven movie, but with more kinslayer and less goody-guy in him (basically, the historical Baldwin, as a 15-year-old leper king whose dreams of chivalry and war deeds crashed around him turning him towards a dark well of resentment and apathy, instead of the movie Baldwin, who was the Lion King with a mask). Leper kings are always a cool thing, regardless.
 

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You mean the movie that had Guy de Lusignan as a Templar (when he was by then consort King already) and Orlando Bloom teaching Levant Arabs how and where to dig wells?

It's almost as jarring as the "King Arthur" film's Nazi Saxons, even for history amateurs like me.

In any case, we ought to give ol' Huneric some family at least, I don't know, a distant cousin who escaped the culling or something.
Which leads me to another point; we should give some other characters a personality or an history, beyond "this guy is X's descendant". I know that Martellus was working on giving some characters traits and a distinct personality before he had to go away.
 
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You mean the movie that had Guy de Lusignan as a Templar (when he was by then consort King already) and Orlando Bloom teaching Levant Arabs how and where to dig wells?

It's almost as jarring as the "King Arthur" film's Nazi Saxons, even for history amateurs like me.

It's one of the most well-made Medieval movies around, I think (except for some occasional obscure or indie films, I'm talking Hollywood big budget movies). If you take out the bits that they made up that don't fit (mostly Balian being a French smith that travels to the Levant) and the parts that were pushed by obligatory protagonist with Messiah-like features, the movie is quite solid. Both the imagery and the themes are very well-worked. Especially in the extended cut, where Baldwin V appears and Eva Greene gets more character developent (actually, she gets all the character development that the studios decided to cut).

Some people have attacked the movie by the unconventional religiosity of some of its characters, like the Round Table-like morality of Balian and the wierd pantheism that the Hospitaler character (fittingly unnamed even in the credits) expresses, but I don't think it's inaccurate, I think it's a very well-thought development of Christian worldview that did develop very rarely in the Levant (that we know of) and, especially, in urban European areas with the Free Spirit brotherhood and the Beguine movement.

Guy of Lusignan and Reynald of Chatillon being "Templars" isn't so much an inaccuracy than a concession to the profanes in the audience. Given that Hollywood producers are over-concerned about today's attention-disorder-affected audiences and need to keep things simple and not have two characters named in a similar manner (They changed Mel Gibson's wife name in Braveheart from Marian to Murron because they thought they'd confuse this Marian with the other Marian, Robin Hood's Maid Marian; in this very film, Kingdom of Heaven, they decided to change the name Raymond, the Count of Tripoli, for Tiberias, because Raymond and Reynald sound too similar and the popcorn-and-pepsi crowd might get confused.) I can't blame them. Behind Kingdom of Heaven there's a team of writers that did make their research and some studio producers that screwed what could have been the ultimate view of the Crusades in the big screen. The writers inserted fitting themes into the movie and they did spot the great questions of the day: the conflict between old Crusader dynasties who wanted to settle in, make roots and seek peace, and the new Crusaders who came in for the glory and the booty and also for Heaven. They only needed to point out the irony of the Kingdom of Jerusalem to make it a perfect, round, thematic movie: the irony of needing the flow of European crusaders to defend it, only to let these newcomers destroy it by being bold and relentless, unforgiving and uncompromising, which is what could have saved Jerusalem in the first place.

The movie needed only that, and Balian not being a French blacksmith. But because of studio meddling and movie conventions, Balian had to be an everyday man turned knight because the protagonist always has to be an everyday man in every big budget Hollywood movie. They're afraid people won't connect with the main character if they don't have an everyday main character.

Also, super-well-researched movies have never been the norm, but after Alexander the Great was such a humongous flop, studios decided never again to let a film follow historical sources. They suck and they are audience-repellants. They should have focused on why Alexander was crap: they chose a bad actor for the role, they had the wrong focus on his life and it was overly long. And the director's cut doesn't help: it only shows more Bagoas, instead of more character development. KoH's team was dedicated and knew about the Crusader States. The same cannot be said about the new Robin Hood, which was a complete, absolute, total disaster of a movie, a nonsense from start to finish, a stupid, absurd, boring and generic Medieval crap adventure that didn't make justice to Robin Hood, to Medieval timer or to its own idea of seeking out the other side of the Robin Hood story. Which was Scott's original idea: to have the Sheriff be the main character and show him as an agent of progress from a government that wanted to end feudal conflict and abuse, and which needed taxes to do so. Robin Hood was a man who fought against this because freedom, but who had it all wrong from the beginning. This seems like a good idea (although a bit too "swing of the pendulum", if you know what I mean), but studios meddled again and we got bullshit Robin Hood instead.

Why do I always ramble off-topic stuff like this? Sorry, sorry.
 

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Just to close the off topic debate before we get called out for it, I did not mean it was a bad movie, I mean, for sure, it fulfilled it's entertainment purpose in a great way, but the inaccuracies are still there... but hey, they shot it at Huesca. It's not often that I see it in any movie :p!

Scott's Robin Hood was indeed utter crap though (if the plot had been Scott's original though, that would've been awesome). The Kevin Costner one was better as an entertainment film, at least it had that cheesy 90s feeling to it, was not trying to be serious and the guy who played the Sheriff there was hilarious.
 
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