[MOD] Lux Invicta

[Martellus.]

Sidonius Apollinar says hi. And well, a guy who sent letters to a romano-frankish ruler from Augusta Trevorum should have definetly done the same to a proper roman in Soissons

I would direct you to DRINKWATER, J et al. Fifth-Century Gaul: a crisis of identity? , Cambridge, 2002, 299-300.

For all of Gregory of Tour's hatred of paganism, Sidonius's tendency to not mention a lot of things he should really have mentioned makes for a less clear picture. He neglects to mention Syagrius/Aegidius, a 467 journey to Rome (and his elevation to the city prefecture in 468), and his consecration as bishop in 470, to name a few. Sidonius's letters are far less complete than Gregory's works, in certain regards.

 

[pirro]

Hey, using the same book as I use as a source is cheap!
The author there is simply assuming that Syagrius existed, not actually probing it.
And the main problem remains. There is no archaeological remain, not even a coin, saying that there was a roman king there. For the franks kings we have stuff saying "Hey, I'm a frank thing, not a roman thing" so even if the names are made up, the people existed.
Anyway, shouldn't we move this discussion to enlil's mod thread?

 

[Enlil]

Nah, I think it is okay here. I'm too busy celebrating the confirmation of Charlemagne.

 

[Martellus.]

Hey, using the same book as I use as a source is cheap!
The author there is simply assuming that Syagrius existed, not actually probing it.
And the main problem remains. There is no archaeological remain, not even a coin, saying that there was a roman king there. For the franks kings we have stuff saying "Hey, I'm a frank thing, not a roman thing" so even if the names are made up, the people existed.
Anyway, shouldn't we move this discussion to enlil's mod thread?

If there was a person only mentioned in 1 out of 10 complete or even reputable half-complete sources, I wouldn't trust it. But Gregory of Tours is really the only complete source... It's definitely possible to argue that Syagrius and Aegidius are made up, but then you have to ask, "who ruled there instead?", or "what was the situation like in 'Soissons' if Syagrius did not exist?", and I think there is no good answer to that if you disbelieve Gregory's writings.

Short of discovering some gigantic timeline of Gaul, it won't get any better than Syagrius, basically.

 

[pirro]

I think that Syagrius did exist, but he was just a roman serving under a frankish kingdom, he might have been a noble that rebelled because of some stuff Gregory ignores that was later defeated. No Soisson kingdom but a Soisson duchy

 

[Roald]

How are we supposed to use TortoiseSVN to download the SVN?

 

[Numahr]

I am all in favour of importing the Nomadic mechanics for LI's nomads, roughly the same cultures as defined by Enlil + Turkish. Making the steppes more steppe-like is clearly necessary. Maybe we can look at this later on, after the release we are now working on?

By the way, I think ww can say LI is not fantasy, it is alternative history... And well in that alternative history Syagrius existed; whether this existence is "alternative" or not may remain open to debate...

 

[Enlil]

I am all in favour of importing the Nomadic mechanics for LI's nomads, roughly the same cultures as defined by Enlil + Turkish. Making the steppes more steppe-like is clearly necessary. Maybe we can look at this later on, after the release we are now working on?

By the way, I think ww can say LI is not fantasy, it is alternative history... And well in that alternative history Syagrius existed; whether this existence is "alternative" or not may remain open to debate...

Yeah, I'd be a pleasure to be able to contribute to this awesome mod in any way I can. A year, I almost made an alt-history mod where Simon Magus and his followers were triumphant, but then I found this mod and saw it for the divine message from the Prophet Shaytana that it is.

 

[Numahr]

Enlisting you, Enlil, as a full-fledged contributor would be a great honour for LI o

As a way forward, I suggest we look carefully at the mechanic once you unleash your "end of all sense" in history.. then we can assess relevance to LI, and you would have slightly less pressure on your end of things to help us in that endeavour...

 

[Enlil]

Enlisting you, Enlil, as a full-fledged contributor would be a great honour for LI o

As a way forward, I suggest we look carefully at the mechanic once you unleash your "end of all sense" in history.. then we can assess relevance to LI, and you would have slightly less pressure on your end of things to help us in that endeavour...

Sounds good to me.

 

[richvh]

From the announcement blog:

Main features:

• New Earlier bookmark, 769, almost 100 more years of Crusader Kings II
• Special story event series for Charlemagne
• Annual Chronicle in the style of the Saxon chronicle
• Custom Kingdoms and Empires, create a new title from a lower-tier title, can customize flag and name.
• Dozens of new cultures.
• Brand new system for climate and seasonal transitions.
• Regency overhaul

New earlier bookmark and Charlemagne story events don't affect us, new cultures probably won't affect us (unless there's one we like I guess), annual chronicle is more a player thing than a mod thing (though will be nice for AAR writers I'm sure), the rest we'll have to see how they're implemented.

 

[Enlil]

From the announcement blog:



New earlier bookmark and Charlemagne story events don't affect us, new cultures probably won't affect us (unless there's one we like I guess), annual chronicle is more a player thing than a mod thing (though will be nice for AAR writers I'm sure), the rest we'll have to see how they're implemented.

I am mostly eager to find out the prefeudal mechanics and the new dejure system.

 

[riknap]

we could always Luxify the localisation/mechanics of the Charlemagne events, hahaha

 

[Numahr]

What makes me the most excited is the promised seasonal features, as this is so much lacking to the model. Hopefully the sortie mechanic from EU IV's next DLC will also get ported to CK2, to finally make sieges a dynamic part. That is for the distant future I guess, but then the garrison number would become a much more important factor.

Then the regency overhaul sounds full of promises... with many ways to make use of it

 

[orab]

Ey, I would like to report continuous CTDs with the new CK2 version 2.1.6 in the early game. It sucks tons of memory.

 

[richvh]

If you're using the latest release (the one linked in the first post), it doesn't work with 2.1.6. You can either try the SVN version (acquisition instructions in the Clairvoyance Corner; warning: it's not as simple as downloading and extracting an archive) or wait until we release a version with our new custom map expansion (probably late August at the earliest)

 

[orab]

Great!, but... is there a Pre-RoI Lux Invicta version? Like the HIP 2.0.4 version. Im downgrading my game to play it

 

[richvh]

There was, but it was buggier than current SVN. Riknap will have to tell you if he still has it online, and give you the link if so.

 

[Conservatron]

late august?

aiit

 

[riknap]

Then the regency overhaul sounds full of promises... with many ways to make use of it

I'm just as interested in this:
"•Custom Kingdoms and Empires, create a new title from a lower-tier title, can customize flag and name."

though granted, lore would quickly dissolve into ether with that :laugh:

Great!, but... is there a Pre-RoI Lux Invicta version? Like the HIP 2.0.4 version. Im downgrading my game to play it

the latest pre-RoI version is v6J1 I believe. If I'm mistaken, then here's the link to v6I4' for good measure.

late august?

aiit

"late August" could always be interpreted, with some jumps in logic (ie. like "late PersonA" = "dead personA" = "after personA"), as "after August" you know

kidding aside, sometime near the end of august, if not after, is the current guesstimate date