[MOD] Lux Invicta

[riknap]

There were no other options in the event. It just popped up and said that my maimed had been healed, I got scarred, negative 1.5 health and that I had a 25% chance of getting blinded. Also, after I killed him in the duel, I dueled him again and captured him, which was also not registered by the game.

at the very least, IIRC that event has a high MTTH in happening anyway.

as for the duelling immortals, I'm not sure what's up really, but I'll be looking into the duel engine after my semester ends, so hopefully we could ID what's happening...

Another little problem I'm happening. I can't seem to take any concubines while my vassals seem to have no problem with it. The only thing I can think of that might be the cause is my lack of DLC. I don't have Sword of Islam, The Republic or The Old Gods. Just waiting for a sale.

I think that's the reason though- the lack of DLC. Odd....

then again, you're not supposed to be able to play pagans in ck2 proper anyway

 

[Numahr]

I'll use Futuregary's religions guide for descriptions, some of them are inaccurate for LI, but they'll make an OK placeholder. Also reformed religions will lack descriptions for now.

Rather than that, for religions without a custom description, I would advise using the generic localizations currently used for the character and province modifiers. At least these provide useful gameplay information on the religions' characteristics without confusing players with semi-correct info on the religions. They are not great, but they do not include any inconsistency.

 

[riknap]

Rather than that, for religions without a custom description, I would advise using the generic localizations currently used for the character and province modifiers. At least these provide useful gameplay information on the religions' characteristics without confusing players with semi-correct info on the religions. They are not great, but they do not include any inconsistency.

aye, this was what I was referring to in my previous posts regarding placeholder religion localisations for some time now.
still, either works, as long as we minimize the number of unlocalized strings

 

[dowdpride]

I don't know what your policy on religion balancing is, but I feel I should bring up that Wodanistic is quite possibly the worst one in the game. Not only does it kill your taxes, it reduces three stats, reduces piety monthly, and reduces Authority monthly. In return you get a very, very paltry levy increase in nobles. It is really broken.

 

[riknap]

I don't know what your policy on religion balancing is, but I feel I should bring up that Wodanistic is quite possibly the worst one in the game. Not only does it kill your taxes, it reduces three stats, reduces piety monthly, and reduces Authority monthly. In return you get a very, very paltry levy increase in nobles. It is really broken.

well....
Numahr can shed some light into that :rofl:

 

[Silkie]

I think that's the reason though- the lack of DLC. Odd....

then again, you're not supposed to be able to play pagans in ck2 proper anyway

Nice to be right for once. :laugh:

Thanks for the quick reply.

 

[DarkReborn]

I don't know what your policy on religion balancing is, but I feel I should bring up that Wodanistic is quite possibly the worst one in the game. Not only does it kill your taxes, it reduces three stats, reduces piety monthly, and reduces Authority monthly. In return you get a very, very paltry levy increase in nobles. It is really broken.

Since the religion's values are fixed calculations based on certain religious characteristics' base values, we don't manually balance each one. We don't play favourites either, it's just that some religions may get the shortest stick or have a different playstyle (want a challenge? try a Neo-Platonic religion, mostly the only positive things you get are research modifiers + some extra levies for being of Gnostic civilization). It true that some values are wrong (for now), but not terribly misplaced, for the most part, it is balanced, just that some religions are more difficult than others.

well....
Numahr can shed some light into that :rofl:

Don't know about Numahr, but Dominions 4 just got released and I'm on a shore leave (or rather, I'm employing whatever free time I have on playing it).

 

[Numahr]

Hey folks let's meet in Dominion 4! I am Numahr there too, active (as in lurking) on the official and Invision forum , but planning to play MP when I find the time

On Wotanism and balance

DarkReborn is right that each religion gets its features based on its characteristics. For example Graeco-Roman and Wotanist both have a Traditional Soul and get the same modifiers for that, as all Traditional-Soul religions. Wotanist is a Germanic religion and gets a set of modifiers common to all Germanic (to all "Barbarian" actually) religions. Wotanist is a local creed. And finally, Wotanist are influenced by the Norse civilization, which affects it at 50% of Norse modifiers (which contributes to the "extreme" feel of it).

Here are some advantages Wotanist gets (some not implemented as of now):
- 25% bonus in armies' morale
- a generic 10% levy size increase for the whole realm in addition to holding-specific bonii
- in addition, a 20% levy increase in each province of that faith (so 30% total if all your realm is Wotanist)
- Another 20% to levy size from castles (+50% total if you cumulate all bonii)
- the possibility to hold temple holdings
- a small reduction in revolt risk
- 40% more levy from noble vassals (applies to laws, not to the total size of levies, ensures that noble vassals give more of their levies to you)
- +5 in Martial (balanced by the other attribute modifiers)

Do these bonii give you any indication of the playstyle advised for a Wotanist realm?

Then the big malus you did not mention means that Wotanist armies can actually be defeated in war by skilled enemies: the -85% in land organisation. That means that Wotanist armies gain back lost morale at a very low rate. So combine that and low taxes and you have fearful armies, very competitive for the first shock, but not good to fight long sustained wars. If you look at Hellenic realms, they have smaller armies but perfect for long wars.

Not: not all these modifiers are implemented as I describe them right now.

 

[gela1212]

My first LI game was a Wotanist. I actually found it rather easy since it was basically impossible to lose a war, even if I was poorer than everyone else. I even smashed ten or twenty crusades pretty easily.

 

[riknap]

I need to ask but...
has anyone noticed if the pagan Disposition Laws actually affect stuff aside from tax and levies?

for example, I seem to have noticed that garrison size does not actually increase (presumably because garrison size is only scoped to provincial/building modifiers ).
That said, does
a) "castle levy"
b) levy reinforcement
c) morale
d) morale recovery / land organization
these values actually change as well? I mean, can someone conduct an experiment for me and check which values ACTUALLY have an in-game effect? the placebo effect really isn't my style, and while it's nice to look at it's still meaningless fluff if it doesn't actually do anything...
I'd like to know if I should change them to something else or make applicator-events to make them stick, or do they (or some at least) work already.

edit: still, it looks like the Warrior Cults and other cults are now working properly as well
that's ... a good thing I guess :laugh:

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@Numahr

I need to ask, but who are the Warrior Cults for again?

in the file of castles, these are the religions

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religion_group = pagan_group
religion = german_pagan # <--- modded by Numahr
religion = allfather # <--- modded by Numahr
religion = irminsul # <--- modded by Numahr
religion = teiwaz # <--- modded by Numahr
religion_group = celtic_group # <--- modded by Numahr
religion_group = slavic_group # <--- modded by Numahr
religion_group = baltic_group # <--- modded by Numahr
religion_group = finnish_group # <--- modded by Numahr

while in the file for temples, these are the religions

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# Traditional Religions
religion = aglibol
religion = allat
religion = allfather
religion = beelshamen
religion = berber_pagan
religion = bud_zor
religion = celtic_christ
religion = celtic_pagan
religion = chumbylat
religion = dievas
religion = druze
religion = finnish_pagan
religion = german_pagan
religion = graeco_roman
religion = hubal
religion = ibadi
religion = illuyanka
religion = indohelen
religion = jumala
religion = mand_ruha
religion = mandaean
religion = mande_pagan
religion = marabout
religion = mari_christ
religion = norse_pagan
religion = norse_war
religion = palmyran_pagan
religion = perkunas
religion = rod
religion = roog
religion = sethian
religion = slavic_pagan
religion = sufi
religion = talab
religion = tengri_mani
religion = tengri_pagan
religion = vattisenyaly
religion = veles
religion = yazdanism
religion = yazidism

and I forgot which one is the "correct" one. While I do recall thinking that it's the Traditional Religions one that is the proper one, since we revamped our definition of "pagans" to be non-reformed Traditional faiths, I'd like confirmation if I'm correct or mistaken in my recollection.

 

[dowdpride]

well once all those get implemented it should all be good then! As for Dominions 4 I got it early and man is it a total blast. Have yet to try any multiplayer on it, though that should be fun as well. Thanks for clearing that up!

 

[Snarfindorf]

well, if you do want to make it look like exactly vanilla, you'll need to delete the map/terrain folder, most of the content of the map folder (saving the adjacencies, province, position, and portage files IIRC), the gfx/trees folder, and the gfx/mapfont files.

if you just want to remove the FOW clouds and the font, then just delete the mapfont files in the gfx folder and the fogofwar file in the map/terrain folder


I guess I should add these two in the faq's as well huh...

edit: alright, I added them in

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How do I get rid of the cloud and calligraphy effects?
You can revert the fog of war to vanilla by deleting the map/terrain/Fogowar.dds file, and revert the map font to vanilla by deleting the gfx/Mapfont.fnt and gfx/Mapfont.dds files.

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This doesn't work without further tweaking. There's a separate font folder as well as the files you pointed out, and deleting the fog files won't work.

Just fyi, I got the vanilla font to work, just not the fog.

 

[Numahr]

I am now working on the existing religions in the triggered_modifiers. The Wotanist debate has urged me to update the modifiers there up to the current version of the Matrix. This is a bit time-consuming: any help on doing the same in 00religions.txt would be very welcome

aethel27, please let me know if you still intend to work on the event system, or if I should do it, as it is even more important than my current work.

@ riknap: OK I will look at the list of religions getting the warrior cult. Maybe this is an opportunity to overhaul this.

I need to ask but...
has anyone noticed if the pagan Disposition Laws actually affect stuff aside from tax and levies?

for example, I seem to have noticed that garrison size does not actually increase (presumably because garrison size is only scoped to provincial/building modifiers ).
That said, does
a) "castle levy"
b) levy reinforcement
c) morale
d) morale recovery / land organization
these values actually change as well? I mean, can someone conduct an experiment for me and check which values ACTUALLY have an in-game effect? the placebo effect really isn't my style, and while it's nice to look at it's still meaningless fluff if it doesn't actually do anything...
I'd like to know if I should change them to something else or make applicator-events to make them stick, or do they (or some at least) work already.

I agree that testing these modifiers is really important. I think a save after a battle, where an army got depleted in terms of morale and men, could be used (the owner's religion can be changed in the save file, and then the triggered modifier get immediately updated upon loading. The province modifier will take a bit of time to update, but maybe the modifier can be changed in the save file?)

1. Edit the save game by changing the religion of the owner and provinces of origin of regiments to allfather (high morale but poor recovery of manpower and morale expected) and indoh_zor (poor morale but high recovery of men and morale expected).

2. Look at how provinces where the regiments were raised reconstitutes its manpower; at how the army reconstitutes morale; at the value of maximum morale once the max is reached. With indoh_zor, recovery of these value should be much faster but the army's max morale should be lower.

That should allow checking whether these modifiers work as intended. That would check your b) c) d). I don't understand your question on a) as it is enough to look in the number of levies in the province view, the tooltip lets you check that levy_size modifiers apply.

As I often mod from work, it is a bit difficult to run these tests until the week-end, so maybe you want to give it a try? Or I can try tomorrow maybe.

 

[riknap]

This doesn't work without further tweaking. There's a separate font folder as well as the files you pointed out, and deleting the fog files won't work.

Just fyi, I got the vanilla font to work, just not the fog.

I looked into it a bit, and I suddenly have no idea why there are those files are even there in the first place :rofl:
yeah, delete the gfx/font folder entirely. I'll tweak that FAQ entry later

as for fog of war, deleting the Fogofwar.dds file really is the only thing you need to do, as it's quite literally the only file from its source mod (Clouds of War).
would test-trying a new game (and/or save-reloading) do the trick? @_@

 

[DarkReborn]

Aaah, so I'm not the only one who mods from work

This is a bit time-consuming: any help on doing the same in 00religions.txt would be very welcome

I already updated all of 00_religions (both reformed and standard religions included) when I added the unit modifiers, so everything should be OK there.

 

[Numahr]

Thanks DarkReborn! I can see that. A quick check showed consistency with the Matrix so thanks a lot!

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Yeah for the first time I could commit from my explorer! 10 religions updated post-TOG values in triggered_modifiers.

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@ DarkReborn: there was a bug in the Matrix by which land_morale values had disappeared , so your reformed religions lack those in triggered_modifiers... :excl: to be fixed :excl:

 

[DarkReborn]

@ DarkReborn: there was a bug in the Matrix by which land_morale values had disappeared , so your reformed religions lack those in triggered_modifiers... :excl: to be fixed :excl:

Good thing I left those "land_morale = 0" there, then, it will be easier to change them now.

 

[fizze]

i've got a question concerning planned invasions: i was playing as a hun and on my way to hold every title needed to form the hunnic empire, but planned invasions by my vassals on other countries made it really hard for me to advance any further. so i decided to go for max control policy, as i thought vassals cannot start wars anymore, but it's still happening. is that a bug in the game itself, the mod, or is this even wad?


also, i've collected a few wikipedia pages with the namegivers of some of the dynasties that haven't got bloodlines yet, maybe someone can use them:

saxons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widukind
thuringia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermanafrid
polabians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakonids
sorbs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czimislav
pomerania: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemuzil,_Duke_of_Pomerania
prussia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peckols
bavaria: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agilolfings
holland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerulf_I_of_Frisia
frisia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audulf
swabia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chnodomarius
west schwabia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibuld
franconia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascaric
aquitaine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunald ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odo_the_Great
brittany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominoe
gothia (spain): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alarich_I.
toledo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderic
celdebra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoderic_the_Great
leon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euric (son of theoderic)
suevia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldras
gothia (crimea): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ermanaric
hungary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Árpád
volhynia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Askold_and_Dir

 

[Ivir Baggins]

Note regarding the many kingdoms of Britain:

They can be replaced by the petty kingdoms mechanic. It'd save on screen - at start of the game, I can't see the provinces for the royal COA borders.

EDIT: And where's the maps of the holy sites? It'd be useful to put that in an easily accessible spot.

 

[Darkgamma]

Note regarding the many kingdoms of Britain:

They can be replaced by the petty kingdoms mechanic. It'd save on screen - at start of the game, I can't see the provinces for the royal COA borders.

EDIT: And where's the maps of the holy sites? It'd be useful to put that in an easily accessible spot.

1) We already ruled against it on coupla dozen iterations :laugh:
2) Ask Numahr and ye shall receive