[MOD] Lux Invicta

[Novacat]

No, didn't get a PM from you and didn't notice any posts from you with links.

Check your email.

 

[richvh]

Got it. Didn't know you had my email.

 

[Jedrek]

imho, I feel that the world of Lux Invicta is already a bit overflowing with cultures (especially hellenic cultures). I am not really keen on the idea of loading even more cultures on top of that. I feel that the current number and variety of cultures is good enough.

Still, Sinohellens are a part of Shay's vision. I highly doubt he'd add them into his timeline if he didn't plan on replacing the Mongols with their attempt to reclaim Megas Alexandros' empire. Plus, the Sinohellenic idea has already popped up several times in this thread, always being delayed because of more pressing matters.

 

[Portal]

Do the Merovingians have Aztec stacks?

 

[Numahr]

About Sinnohellens.... indeed Shaytana mentioned them repeatedly; but he never really revealed his vision of who they are, telling us things like "As soon as I have time, I'll explain you every thing" ...

In this context, I would advocate a conservative approach. We have enough on the plate to have fun, and going into the unchartered waters of inventing a whole sinnohelen invasion thing without really knowing what Shaytana had in mind appears to me to be a bit far-fetched. As crazy as this world looks, it has its own logic, born from Shaytana's crazy mind; making up the Sinnohelen thing without him, I feel, would damage this logic.

This being said, maybe someone can develop an optional add-on for it? That would be totally legitimate, with some kind of warning that "OK he left it as is, so I took over to create something inspired by it"

 

[Novacat]

Still, Sinohellens are a part of Shay's vision. I highly doubt he'd add them into his timeline if he didn't plan on replacing the Mongols with their attempt to reclaim Megas Alexandros' empire. Plus, the Sinohellenic idea has already popped up several times in this thread, always being delayed because of more pressing matters.

I donno, not everything put into a timeline/story is put there with the intention of being introduced into the game. Look at any game with a story and you will likely find snippets and pieces referring to something or many somethings that will never be experianced ingame.

 

[DakaSha]

is it just me or is getting level 4 education really easy in this, leading to education bloat?

 

[Jedrek]

Creating an add-on for a mod... Well, if PI released the Sunset Invasion then I see no reason there shouldn't be add-ons for mods Well, if that's your point, I can't disagree. Since it wouldn't be going into the main LI (and I doubt many people would bother to dl and install a separate mod for a mod), I officially give the idea up.

But frankly, I sometimes wish Shay just popped in for one brief moment, posted a one-liner with either "I'll be back" or "I leave the rest to you", so that we'd know what we're standing at. Sometimes I start getting a feel that we're more of a religious sect than a bunch of modders ^^'

 

[riknap]

is it just me or is getting level 4 education really easy in this, leading to education bloat?

...
I am sadly aware of my pathetic attempts at balance (that was skewed towards a mid-game climax, resulting to late game bloat) T_T

On related topics

Does anyone know if buildings can be made to require certain amounts of traits like prestige, and/or minimum stat like 20 stewardship?
Incidentally, has anyone (else) tried a late game (1400+) observe game?
I'm finding that republics are earning too much, especially with trade posts, that result in them giving too much taxes to their lieges (incidentally, the muslims who for some reason have low city taxes are getting reasonable amounts of income, but pathetically low compared to their non-muslim counterparts), which result in infrastructure overexpansion.


Regarding balance, current ideas involve reducing tax income for all buildings across the board, increasingly higher requirements for late-tier buildings, and reducing levy size, garrison size, and technology boost multipliers from buildings in general. I'm also considering rich's previous suggestion to make technology ideal dates more distant from each other, to slow down education overgrowth.

But frankly, I sometimes wish Shay just popped in for one brief moment, posted a one-liner with either "I'll be back" or "I leave the rest to you", so that we'd know what we're standing at. Sometimes I start getting a feel that we're more of a religious sect than a bunch of modders ^^'

Well, that's the quick version of how christianity levelled up from a jewish cult to a religion of its own

Do the Merovingians have Aztec stacks?

I think they were eradicated already, though I'll boot up the game to check other matters as well
edit: they're all gone


I've also noticed a problem with the Steppe Mercenary Band. The AI loves hiring them now. That... is problematic. I'm thinking of removing them, or reducing the HA:LC ratio. Both play havoc probably to save games (well, not exactly, but the already recruited retinues won't be removed from the map).

 

[richvh]

Does anyone know if buildings can be made to require certain amounts of traits like prestige, and/or minimum stat like 20 stewardship?

Should be possible, but I'd put it in an allow = {} block; in potential, the building'd self destruct on succession to a less skilled/prestigeous holder.

 

[riknap]

Should be possible, but I'd put it in an allow = {} block; in potential, the building'd self destruct on succession to a less skilled/prestigeous holder.

so something like

eg_BUILD= {
trigger = {TECH_EXAMPLE = 5}
allow = {martial = 25}
<building stuff>
}
?
or am I missing stuff like liege ={ or ROOT= { ? I have no idea how those work sofar.

 

[Novacat]

Should be possible, but I'd put it in an allow = {} block; in potential, the building'd self destruct on succession to a less skilled/prestigeous holder.

		trigger = { 
			FROM = {

			}
		}

Note that because it is a trigger, it will not self destruct if it passes on to a non trait holder. If you want self destruction, than put the FROM in 'potential' instead of 'trigger'.

 

[riknap]

		trigger = { 
			FROM = {

			}
		}

Note that because it is a trigger, it will not self destruct if it passes on to a non trait holder. If you want self destruction, than put the FROM in 'potential' instead of 'trigger'.

so is it

eg_BUILD= {
trigger = {
TECH_EXAMPLE = 5
FROM = {
allow = { martial = 25}
		}
			}

<building stuff>
}

then?

 

[Numahr]

Sometimes I start getting a feel that we're more of a religious sect than a bunch of modders ^^'

That is the whole fun about it... LI has turned into a kind of sect modding on obscure, deviant religions

 

[richvh]

You have to use FROM = { martial = 25 }, no scope change is province scope, FROM is holder scope, FROMFROM I guess is holding scope, given the arsenal example. Novacat's saying to use trigger instead of allow.

 

[loll92]

Are there certain prequisites to being able to use plot to seduce someone? I'm playing as Imperator Flavius of the Romanum something, and the only plots I can choose on young female courtiers or the wives of my councillors are to kill them.

 

[Orinsul]

EDIT -Question scratched as i found the answer about three seconds after asking-

Also on the mod discussion front, apart from Ptolemy, what dynasties ought have divine blood? as probably this mod has alot of candidates for it.

 

[riknap]

You have to use FROM = { martial = 25 }, no scope change is province scope, FROM is holder scope, FROMFROM I guess is holding scope, given the arsenal example. Novacat's saying to use trigger instead of allow.

funny thing is both worked
I managed to make buildings depend on stats. I'm still having trouble making the presence of a building lock the availability of another though (your post here doesn't work as I also stated there anyway). In any case, if I understand correctly it needs to be in trigger instead of allow, since allow makes the building self-destruct if the conditions are no longer met, right? That itself is partly useful (though I won't implement that anywhere here yet).

On a tangent, how do you make buildings dependent on specific skills instead? For example, I want the start of the guild chain for patricians only available if the liege has ambitious and genius, or a custom future-planned "duelling grounds" available if the character has "legendary fighter" only.

In any case, I guess I'll work on making refining building and tech balance over the week.

EDIT -Question scratched as i found the answer about three seconds after asking-

Also on the mod discussion front, apart from Ptolemy, what dynasties ought have divine blood? as probably this mod has alot of candidates for it.

"meek are the children of the lord"
so obviously lowborns
:laugh:

 

[richvh]

Actually having the condition in potential is what makes it self-destruct (the way cultural buildings do, when (depending on whether culture test is on base scope or FROM) the province or holder's culture changes.)

trigger = { FROM = { has_trait = ambitious has_trait = genius } }
trigger = { FROM = { has_trait = master_warrior } }

 

[riknap]

Actually having the condition in potential is what makes it self-destruct (the way cultural buildings do, when (depending on whether culture test is on base scope or FROM) the province or holder's culture changes.)

trigger = { FROM = {{ has_trait = ambitious has_trait = genius } }
trigger = { FROM = { has_trait = master_warrior } }

then would this
trigger = { FROM = { OR = { has_trait = ambitious has_trait = genius }} }
work if I wanted either of the two instead of both?