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Julian plays a big part in the 4th century timeline, asserted to be the second son of Constantine II Crispus and married to the younger sister of Alexandros VIII after the latter appointed him co-emperor in 355. He survived the war against Persia, was proclaimed "Savior of the Light" and "Sol Invictus in the flesh", and survived until 387 when he was carried into the Western Desert after being grievously wounded by a Christian fanatic in Alexandria, proclaiming "I will return." (See 300-400CE section of the timeline)

Julio-Argeadai are the main Imperial line, descendants of Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus aka Augustus and his wife Alexandra Argead of the Cypriot line of the Argeadai. (See 100BCE-1BCE section of the timeline)
 

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Right, does anyone think they should be re-branded as something less similar then? Augustus-Argead or something?

On a diffrent note, I've always thought that Julian is one of those historical actors that could have radically changed history given the chance.
 

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I've compiled the entire timeline into a Microsoft Word document for ease of use; would anyone else like to use it? I warn you though, it's 65 pages long.
Julio-Argeadai are the main Imperial line.
Regarding the Julio-Argeadai, would get the Blood of Augustus trait, I guess.
Just to clarify, both the Augustan of Neapolis and the Julio-Argeadai are descended from Octavian Augustus (made Princeps of Rome in 23BC)?
 

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69 CE: Year of the Four Emperors. The 2 year old Alexandros, the son of Alexandros II Augustus is kept safe by loyalists in Neapolis. Vespasian receives the support of the East, from the Ptolemaioi to Pontus to Makedon and Sparta. He emerges victorious, and allows the boy Alexandros to remain unharmed in Neapolis.

192 CE: Commodus dies while fighting as a gladiator in the Colosseum. Christian missionaries reach India. Septimius Severus hailed Emperor by his legions in Hispania. Clodius Albinus hailed Emperor in Britannia, while in Neapolis the Augustan magnate Alexandros is proclaimed Alexandros III with the support of Siracusa and the Italian legions.

It seems like both are descended from the infant Alexandros who took refuge in Neapolis during the Year of the Four Emperors. There isn't any more in the timeline about the Augustans or Neapolis.
 

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Right so the Julians are his decendents in Shay's timeline and the Julio-Argeadai are a mix of them and Alexander's dynasty? It seems like they should have both bloodline traits or a totally new one.

No. Julian (Flavius Claudius Julianus) lived in the 4th Century and is from the Constantinian dynasty, and has nothing to do with the Julio-Argeaday, which are descendants of Augustus.

Since Augustus married a Greek woman of the Argead dynasty, the Imperial dynasty are the Julio-Argeads.

Right, does anyone think they should be re-branded as something less similar then? Augustus-Argead or something?

I don't care about confusion, History is confusing. They're the Julio-Argeads, there's nothing else to add on. Augustus was a Julius righfully after Caesar adopted him. Also, it was Shaytana's choice.

On a diffrent note, I've always thought that Julian is one of those historical actors that could have radically changed history given the chance.

Not so much, since when he got the power Christianity was already quite established. He didnt dismantle the Church, he just, basically, gave other faiths the same rights Christianity had.

One that really could have changed the state of things, and dramatically, was Maxentius, the roman usurper Constantine fought and defeated. Had Maxentius won the battle of the Milvine Bridge and killed Constantine there... say goodbye to Christianity as we know it.

Another one would be Pertinax, since he proved to be an outstanding statesman during the small time he ruled, before the Roman soldiers killed him for being a jerk (that is, making them obey and have discipline and abide the law).

Yet another one: Alaric, had he decided to do what his successor Atawulf wanted to do: create a Gothic Empire on the ruins of the Roman. Alaric was too much a Roman in his education and career, but Atawulf was not, and he wanted to bring more Goth flavour into Rome (only, he had to confort himself with Spain and Southern France).
 
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Is there any reason the OP is now Richvh and not Shaytana? It might make the wrong impression...

It was done so that richvh could update the original post in Shaytana's absence rather than create an entirely new thread.
 

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I made a note near the top of the first post explaining matters and disclaiming ownership, was it not clear enough?
 

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I've compiled the entire timeline into a Microsoft Word document for ease of use; would anyone else like to use it? I warn you though, it's 65 pages long.

I'd like to see it, that would give me some kick to finish reading it :p
 

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I made a note near the top of the first post explaining matters and disclaiming ownership, was it not clear enough?

Seems clear enough to me.
 

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Numahr: province modifier for mani_slavic is still missing.
 

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SELIN update 17/11/2012

No download link, will be integrated in the next release

Featuring:
guest star: ColonelWright
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Jedrek
Sernista


New religions coded in

The following religions have been coded in:
Religion: Civilization / Doctrinal Status / Soul / Ascendant if any
Audianist: Christian / Local / Traditional
Amazigh: Berber / Local / Traditional
Bogomilist: Gnostic / Local / Populist
Cathar: Christian / Heretical / Populist / Gnostic
Docetist: Christian / Local / Scholarly
Marcionist: Christian / Mainstream / Scholarly / Gnostic
Mastimani: Berber / Local / State
Scandinist: Norse / Local / State / Christian
Sethian: Gnostic / Local / Traditional / Jewish
Rodnoverist: Slavic / Local / Traditional
Solomonic Christian: Christian / Local / State / Archaic
Svetovidan: Slavic / Local / Martial
Valentinian: Gnostic / Local / Scholarly / Christian
All above coded by ColonelWright!
Ódinn-Sólar: Norse / Local / State / Greek-Roman
Coded by Sernista


Change in religious groups

Norse and Germanic religions now share the same religious group, mostly for game-play purposes (mostly yo let them get marriage alliances with each other). Through this re-unification Germanic religions get the same succession limitations than Norse religions (please discuss if you disagree). All Norse-specific mechanics remain only for Norse religions.


Localization

A number of religions get specific descriptions in-game: Perun, Rod, Catholic, Kharijite, Pelagianism, Iconoclasm, Zoroastrianism, Svarog, Dažbog. Thanks to ColonelWright and Jedrek for drafting them.


SELIN needs you!
for:
- 18 religions left to code in
- specific descriptions to replace generic ones
Please contact me for coordination if you are interested to contribute...
(PS: 1 full-time-job + 1 intensive assignment as consultant + 1 small daughter + in-laws visiting... = -0.8 modding_time_modifier...)
 
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For the record, the Julio-Argeads are called that as a reference to the historical Julio-Claudians, the first imperial dynasty of Rome (Augustus's OTL succesors - Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, were blood relations of his wife Livia, and members of Gens Claudii)
 

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Who gets what traits?
Augustan and Julio-Argead characters get Blood of Augustus, Attilid characters get Blood of Attila, Princeps of SPQR gets Blood of Valentinian, Dux Of Dalmatia gets Blood of Diocletian, and Dux of Venice gets Blood of Aurelius.