Very good job!
I was right. Levant and Persia look really interesing.
Do you have any plans to add some Indian characters in Mesopotamia? Playing them can be hard but funny.
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Very good job!
I was right. Levant and Persia look really interesing.
Do you have any plans to add some Indian characters in Mesopotamia? Playing them can be hard but funny.
Very good job!
I was right. Levant and Persia look really interesing.
Do you have any plans to add some Indian characters in Mesopotamia? Playing them can be hard but funny.
No, I figured it would be relatively pointless and actual landed ruler representing these rebels would be tad overblown. Nothing stops you from swapping religion/culture with current landholder.
I am still figuring out which causes "take concubine" or "arrange marriage" to not work. So far no success
Looks good, looks good.
I must admit I am terribly excited to make a Khorramdin Empire out of the fractured East.
I must admit I am terribly excited to make a Khorramdin Empire out of the fractured East.
No, I figured it would be relatively pointless and actual landed ruler representing these rebels would be tad overblown. Nothing stops you from swapping religion/culture with current landholder.
I am still figuring out which causes "take concubine" or "arrange marriage" to not work. So far no success
That happened to me once. I added an extra "0" to a character ID, so instead of 1000xxxx it would be 10000xxxx, which doesn't work.
What is illegal then? I mean, most of my ID's are something like 1004460052 so is that wrong?
I think so. At least thats what MR guys found when they ported my Rise of Islam submod.
I asked another person and he said that cannot be the reason but something in landed_titles.txt might cause it. This MOD does not have that file though so I am still looking for the elusive bug but at least I should have some time to look for it as RL projects are easing up.
If someone has any ideas, that would nice.
I have not found a reason for the bug and for now, this MOD is terminated as it cannot be completed.
Apologies to everyone who was waiting for it to be finished.
Apologies to everyone who was waiting for it to be finished.
Really sad news!
Unfortunately I have no idea about modding, so I cant help you. ;(
I uploaded last version of the MOD to front page, for anyone who is interested in finding the bug and thus enabling me to salvage this project.
I will probably get back to this project at some stage though, I have started from scratch and at least now the marriage is working but I probably need to redo everything which was completed so far.
Good to hear that!
I really like your new start dates mods. This game needs more start dates especially between 769 and 1066 AD.
Good Luck with this procject!
Screenshot of how Steppes ended up. Tibetan presence in Tarim Basin is represented by fictional Khitan ruler holding k_khotan with d_khotan/kumul as tributaries. Some event troops/money was also given.
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DV VI: Caliphate revisited
As I had to start from scratch, I started from Eastern side of the map and started to redo the lands of the Caliphate with more historical information at my disposal. I will be posting updates to this message regularly to showcase various rulers under it or it's tributaries (usually nominal vassals in game terms). People are free to comment on these and suggest alterations.
Tabaristan
Tabaristan is held by it's historical governor* though one year early. He is weak but holds both d_mazandaran & d_dihistan. He has three historical Mazdans as vassals, each who have claims to territory he holds or his ducal titles, as this area later erupted into rebellion led by Mazyar Karen.
(*I will alter dynasty name though, as Hafs dynasty are the Andalusian exiles in Alexandria as well)
In theory, one could start as Mazyar and end up on situation that house Karen has in ToG start. Historically Mazyar had converted to Islam in Baghdad but this was likely for show as started rebellion which relied on support of local Zoroastrians and he went on harassing local muslims and burning down mosques.
Before this, he had taken revenge on people who had caused him trouble before, like his cousin Vinda-Umid (who I assume meant Baduspanid ruler Wandad Umid) thus two other Mazdans are his rivals so Maziar has cassus belli against them.
Likewise Mazyar later offered support to Babak Khorramdim and Afhsin Kawus. Some sources even say he publicly became a Khurramite. In history files this religious ping-ponging is represented by Zoroastrianism but I made him Mazdaki instead.
Kharijite rebellion of Balochistan/Sistan
Balochistan at this time suffered from a rebellion in countryside, led by Hamza Adharak, caused by excessive taxation. Governor of Sistan at the time engaged him in some fights but was unable to put down the rebellion which lasted for many more years and rebels too control of remote settlements. With this in mind, Hamza holds (poor) parts of Sistan/Balochistan with event troops. His realm should not survive too long, surrounded by so many hostiles but who knows what he might do under player control.
Hamadan
Hamadan is held by historical Dulafid leader, who apparently was a great patron of arts, science and wine. He was also a Shiite but existing history files make him Sunni and he might have been at this stage as he was pardoned after Fourth Fitna. Nonetheless, I have kept him Shiite (his son is Sunni, along with brother in Abbasid court)
As for his vassals, I managed to dig up names of two people who revolted few years later in the area over taxes though this was against Caliph itself. They hold Qwivir and Eshefan respectively.
Abu-Dulaf also managed to pacify unruly rebels in mountains until they "Either converted or paid Jiyaza tax". So two ahistorical guys (Persian/Kurd) hold Qazwin & Kermanshah.
Basra
Basra at this time apparently had three major families, though one was Abbasid family. With this in mind I used existing dynasty (Kufayid) for one of the houses and used historical name. Qutayaba was put as rulers of d_basra but other family of course has claim on title. Ruling dynasty has claim on c_Rayy as they once served as governors there.
Bahrain area was administered from Basra and therefore its vassal of Basra. At this time trade had been diverted towards Basra and Bahrein was in general economic decline and becoming a refugee for Shias, Kharijites and other "riffraff".
With this in mind, I have given Bahrein area to three ahistorical rulers (Shia, Kharijite and Mazdaki, representing proto-Qarmatians) and all are tribal with claims on each others territory (though Shia has the best province) to make it possible for some heretical spot to appear within Caliphate.
Khurramite Rebellion
Azerbaijan is held by Babak Khorramdin, who led a massively long rebellion against the Abbasids. Naturally he has been given plenty of event troops (mainly light infantry/archers to simulate essentially peasant uprising). He is friends with ton of people, such as Maziar and Afhsin but also Byzantine emperor who helped Babak occasionally.
One of his vassals is Nasr, who later almost became Byzantine emperor though of course pulling such feat in this particular game is a goal in itself.
Oromieh
Oromieh is held by Sadakiyans, short lived and aggressive dynasty. Of course in CK2 mechanics, giving Abbasids a run for their money with one province count takes some doing but as an interesting starting place, Oromieh can be useful. To prevent immediate roflstomping by Babak or Caliph, they start as Abbasid tributaries.
Mosul
There is a name of a person holding Mosul mentioned in information concerning Sadakiyas and for lack of better information, I made him ruler of d_mosul. However, under him is a Kurdish rebel Mir Jafar Dasni who was supposedly a Yezidi and fought against Caliph (though much later than 821) in mountains of Sinjar (Some history repeating itself here...)
For added bonus, c_kurdistan in Yezidi.
Sindh
Sind is held by Muhallabid dynasty, who agreed to pay Caliph one million dihnars for retaining title in the family. Therefore it is tributary of Caliph (who does have claim on it), though I might alter this as ruler stopped paying tribute and rebelled. I also inserted Habbarid dynasty there some time in advance.
Interestingly, Sindh was apparently last place where Barmakid house held power and as with two powerful vassals under it, Barmakids might well seize kingdom to themselves. Unless Caliph comes back to claim the title.
Afghanistan
Afghanistan is still held by Zunbils and Nandin dynasties, with two smaller, count level, Buddhist* realms as tributaries to give the place some more staying power. Zunbil also has sympathy for Dharmic (Mazdan sympathy was removed) and Hindu vassal to make it more likely they convert to Hinduism.
*Historical Mandesh and Kalat, which is ahistorical as it might still been unconquered by Muslims.
Khiva
Around this time, there was a bit of a civil war in principality of Oshrusana and heir of the land fled to Abbasid Caliphate and converted to Islam. Meanwhile, his father Kawus stopped paying tribute to Caliph and challenged Tahirids in Transoxania.
With this in mind, I have given him duchy of Khiva (Caliph has strong claim to it). Naturally Kawus was given some event troops and money (simulating refused tribute) to give him some staying power though these will be tweaked in playtesting.
You can find Muslims, Zoroastrians and Nestorians in Khiva in case religious diversity is your thing.
Kharijite rebellion of Balochistan/Sistan
Balochistan at this time suffered from a rebellion in countryside, led by Hamza Adharak, caused by excessive taxation. Governor of Sistan at the time engaged him in some fights but was unable to put down the rebellion which lasted for many more years and rebels too control of remote settlements. With this in mind, Hamza holds (poor) parts of Sistan/Balochistan with event troops. His realm should not survive too long, surrounded by so many hostiles but who knows what he might do under player control.
Armenia/Egypt
Egypt at the time was split between two competing factions plus exiles from Spain who took Alexandria. This situation would persist for several years before Caliphal authority was restored.
Goveror of Armenia tried it first but failed. With this in mind, he has been given Sinai but he is just tributary of Abbasids. I might give him k_egypt as well. Quite soon after this Armenians became independent and I figured this set-up is best for historical outcome.
I also added independent Peasant Rebel leader to Nile Delta. Copts started a rebellion few years after this and it took a while to put it down as the rebels could defend the Delta area quite easily.
Yemen
Yemen at this stage was nominally under Abbasids and Tahirids had sent a governor there (I made him persian). However, he was soon chased out. With this in mind, d_sanaa is tributary of Abbasids and Yufirids under it have claim. Of course, there is the independent Ziyadid dynasty in Aden area, which can easily seize title for themselves.
Mahra is held by ahistorical ruler and I also made him a tribal, with some prestige/money to give it staying power and to stop them from being taken over by Oman too quickly.
Oman
Oman is held by Ibadis, with historical ruler holding main title and his successor holding more counties underneath him. Once again, there does not seem to be a way to get Muslim realms start with Elective succession so unfortunately Ibadi succession cannot be modelled.
I might start these as Abbasid tributaries as well to make sure they are not immediately holy warred out of existence.
MEDINA
D_medina is held by a historical governor of Mecca, who had just replaced a notorious Alid rebel. He has Hashimids as vassal (with claim to duchy). Said rebel holds land within d_baghdad with claims to c_mecca & c_medina.
NEFOUD
D-Nefoud is held by ahistorical ruler of a historical tribe who controlled at least parts of the Arabian desert. As expected, it starts as tribal realm.
SISTAN
Knowledge about Sistan is bit hazy, putting it either under Caliph or Tahirids, who apparently appointed governor there. However, Sistan is independent and held by historical governor (at least in some stage) whose father was a loyal commander for Abbasids until killed by urging of other people.
This naturally put his kids pants in a twist and one of them, governor of Armenia rebelled but died of natural causes soon. With this in mind, ruler of Sistan is merely a tributary who has a claim on k_armenia. His vassals are mixture of persian/balochs who are sunni/zoroastrian but whose kids are already Sunni. Caliph has claim on d_sistan as well.
Naturally he is rival of Caliph (-100 relations)
CALIPH
Caliph naturally has claims on most of old lands and tributaries. It should be easy for Caliph to get his house in order. Indeed, some independent realms might become vassals without issues.
To be continued....
As I had to start from scratch, I started from Eastern side of the map and started to redo the lands of the Caliphate with more historical information at my disposal. I will be posting updates to this message regularly to showcase various rulers under it or it's tributaries (usually nominal vassals in game terms). People are free to comment on these and suggest alterations.
Tabaristan
Tabaristan is held by it's historical governor* though one year early. He is weak but holds both d_mazandaran & d_dihistan. He has three historical Mazdans as vassals, each who have claims to territory he holds or his ducal titles, as this area later erupted into rebellion led by Mazyar Karen.
(*I will alter dynasty name though, as Hafs dynasty are the Andalusian exiles in Alexandria as well)
In theory, one could start as Mazyar and end up on situation that house Karen has in ToG start. Historically Mazyar had converted to Islam in Baghdad but this was likely for show as started rebellion which relied on support of local Zoroastrians and he went on harassing local muslims and burning down mosques.
Before this, he had taken revenge on people who had caused him trouble before, like his cousin Vinda-Umid (who I assume meant Baduspanid ruler Wandad Umid) thus two other Mazdans are his rivals so Maziar has cassus belli against them.
Likewise Mazyar later offered support to Babak Khorramdim and Afhsin Kawus. Some sources even say he publicly became a Khurramite. In history files this religious ping-ponging is represented by Zoroastrianism but I made him Mazdaki instead.
Kharijite rebellion of Balochistan/Sistan
Balochistan at this time suffered from a rebellion in countryside, led by Hamza Adharak, caused by excessive taxation. Governor of Sistan at the time engaged him in some fights but was unable to put down the rebellion which lasted for many more years and rebels too control of remote settlements. With this in mind, Hamza holds (poor) parts of Sistan/Balochistan with event troops. His realm should not survive too long, surrounded by so many hostiles but who knows what he might do under player control.
Hamadan
Hamadan is held by historical Dulafid leader, who apparently was a great patron of arts, science and wine. He was also a Shiite but existing history files make him Sunni and he might have been at this stage as he was pardoned after Fourth Fitna. Nonetheless, I have kept him Shiite (his son is Sunni, along with brother in Abbasid court)
As for his vassals, I managed to dig up names of two people who revolted few years later in the area over taxes though this was against Caliph itself. They hold Qwivir and Eshefan respectively.
Abu-Dulaf also managed to pacify unruly rebels in mountains until they "Either converted or paid Jiyaza tax". So two ahistorical guys (Persian/Kurd) hold Qazwin & Kermanshah.
Basra
Basra at this time apparently had three major families, though one was Abbasid family. With this in mind I used existing dynasty (Kufayid) for one of the houses and used historical name. Qutayaba was put as rulers of d_basra but other family of course has claim on title. Ruling dynasty has claim on c_Rayy as they once served as governors there.
Bahrain area was administered from Basra and therefore its vassal of Basra. At this time trade had been diverted towards Basra and Bahrein was in general economic decline and becoming a refugee for Shias, Kharijites and other "riffraff".
With this in mind, I have given Bahrein area to three ahistorical rulers (Shia, Kharijite and Mazdaki, representing proto-Qarmatians) and all are tribal with claims on each others territory (though Shia has the best province) to make it possible for some heretical spot to appear within Caliphate.
Khurramite Rebellion
Azerbaijan is held by Babak Khorramdin, who led a massively long rebellion against the Abbasids. Naturally he has been given plenty of event troops (mainly light infantry/archers to simulate essentially peasant uprising). He is friends with ton of people, such as Maziar and Afhsin but also Byzantine emperor who helped Babak occasionally.
One of his vassals is Nasr, who later almost became Byzantine emperor though of course pulling such feat in this particular game is a goal in itself.
Oromieh
Oromieh is held by Sadakiyans, short lived and aggressive dynasty. Of course in CK2 mechanics, giving Abbasids a run for their money with one province count takes some doing but as an interesting starting place, Oromieh can be useful. To prevent immediate roflstomping by Babak or Caliph, they start as Abbasid tributaries.
Mosul
There is a name of a person holding Mosul mentioned in information concerning Sadakiyas and for lack of better information, I made him ruler of d_mosul. However, under him is a Kurdish rebel Mir Jafar Dasni who was supposedly a Yezidi and fought against Caliph (though much later than 821) in mountains of Sinjar (Some history repeating itself here...)
For added bonus, c_kurdistan in Yezidi.
Sindh
Sind is held by Muhallabid dynasty, who agreed to pay Caliph one million dihnars for retaining title in the family. Therefore it is tributary of Caliph (who does have claim on it), though I might alter this as ruler stopped paying tribute and rebelled. I also inserted Habbarid dynasty there some time in advance.
Interestingly, Sindh was apparently last place where Barmakid house held power and as with two powerful vassals under it, Barmakids might well seize kingdom to themselves. Unless Caliph comes back to claim the title.
Afghanistan
Afghanistan is still held by Zunbils and Nandin dynasties, with two smaller, count level, Buddhist* realms as tributaries to give the place some more staying power. Zunbil also has sympathy for Dharmic (Mazdan sympathy was removed) and Hindu vassal to make it more likely they convert to Hinduism.
*Historical Mandesh and Kalat, which is ahistorical as it might still been unconquered by Muslims.
Khiva
Around this time, there was a bit of a civil war in principality of Oshrusana and heir of the land fled to Abbasid Caliphate and converted to Islam. Meanwhile, his father Kawus stopped paying tribute to Caliph and challenged Tahirids in Transoxania.
With this in mind, I have given him duchy of Khiva (Caliph has strong claim to it). Naturally Kawus was given some event troops and money (simulating refused tribute) to give him some staying power though these will be tweaked in playtesting.
You can find Muslims, Zoroastrians and Nestorians in Khiva in case religious diversity is your thing.
Kharijite rebellion of Balochistan/Sistan
Balochistan at this time suffered from a rebellion in countryside, led by Hamza Adharak, caused by excessive taxation. Governor of Sistan at the time engaged him in some fights but was unable to put down the rebellion which lasted for many more years and rebels too control of remote settlements. With this in mind, Hamza holds (poor) parts of Sistan/Balochistan with event troops. His realm should not survive too long, surrounded by so many hostiles but who knows what he might do under player control.
Armenia/Egypt
Egypt at the time was split between two competing factions plus exiles from Spain who took Alexandria. This situation would persist for several years before Caliphal authority was restored.
Goveror of Armenia tried it first but failed. With this in mind, he has been given Sinai but he is just tributary of Abbasids. I might give him k_egypt as well. Quite soon after this Armenians became independent and I figured this set-up is best for historical outcome.
I also added independent Peasant Rebel leader to Nile Delta. Copts started a rebellion few years after this and it took a while to put it down as the rebels could defend the Delta area quite easily.
Yemen
Yemen at this stage was nominally under Abbasids and Tahirids had sent a governor there (I made him persian). However, he was soon chased out. With this in mind, d_sanaa is tributary of Abbasids and Yufirids under it have claim. Of course, there is the independent Ziyadid dynasty in Aden area, which can easily seize title for themselves.
Mahra is held by ahistorical ruler and I also made him a tribal, with some prestige/money to give it staying power and to stop them from being taken over by Oman too quickly.
Oman
Oman is held by Ibadis, with historical ruler holding main title and his successor holding more counties underneath him. Once again, there does not seem to be a way to get Muslim realms start with Elective succession so unfortunately Ibadi succession cannot be modelled.
I might start these as Abbasid tributaries as well to make sure they are not immediately holy warred out of existence.
MEDINA
D_medina is held by a historical governor of Mecca, who had just replaced a notorious Alid rebel. He has Hashimids as vassal (with claim to duchy). Said rebel holds land within d_baghdad with claims to c_mecca & c_medina.
NEFOUD
D-Nefoud is held by ahistorical ruler of a historical tribe who controlled at least parts of the Arabian desert. As expected, it starts as tribal realm.
SISTAN
Knowledge about Sistan is bit hazy, putting it either under Caliph or Tahirids, who apparently appointed governor there. However, Sistan is independent and held by historical governor (at least in some stage) whose father was a loyal commander for Abbasids until killed by urging of other people.
This naturally put his kids pants in a twist and one of them, governor of Armenia rebelled but died of natural causes soon. With this in mind, ruler of Sistan is merely a tributary who has a claim on k_armenia. His vassals are mixture of persian/balochs who are sunni/zoroastrian but whose kids are already Sunni. Caliph has claim on d_sistan as well.
Naturally he is rival of Caliph (-100 relations)
CALIPH
Caliph naturally has claims on most of old lands and tributaries. It should be easy for Caliph to get his house in order. Indeed, some independent realms might become vassals without issues.
To be continued....
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DD VII: Bulgaria
Here is a peek at Bulgaria.
Since game lacks melting pot event for Bulgarian culture, I changed history files and made rulers Bulgarian culture.
What I have also done, is add the historical eldest son, who converted to Christianity and got whacked by his brother.
SImulating Byzantine-Bulgar treaty, Khan & Basileus are friends. Just to make things even easier, I created a daughter who is married to Basileus.
There are also three slavs as vassals, who rebelled and got their lands revoked by Omurtag. despite asking help from Louis the Pious Technically they might need to be independent at this stage but it would mainly lead to easy pickings for surrounding realms.
RIght now, game files put most of this land to Avar culture but Avars were more or less gone when 830's came around. If people have suggestions on how to alter cultures (as this land was settled by Slavs) that would be awesome.
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Here is a peek at Bulgaria.
Since game lacks melting pot event for Bulgarian culture, I changed history files and made rulers Bulgarian culture.
What I have also done, is add the historical eldest son, who converted to Christianity and got whacked by his brother.
SImulating Byzantine-Bulgar treaty, Khan & Basileus are friends. Just to make things even easier, I created a daughter who is married to Basileus.
There are also three slavs as vassals, who rebelled and got their lands revoked by Omurtag. despite asking help from Louis the Pious Technically they might need to be independent at this stage but it would mainly lead to easy pickings for surrounding realms.
RIght now, game files put most of this land to Avar culture but Avars were more or less gone when 830's came around. If people have suggestions on how to alter cultures (as this land was settled by Slavs) that would be awesome.
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Could throw in some Vlachs for a few of the mountain provinces.
Otherwise just mix it up with Croats and Czechs.
Otherwise just mix it up with Croats and Czechs.