Mod idea; 'third position'

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I'm about to start a new, smaller modding attempt which will center around the 'third position';

It will be ahistorical mod for the '36 scenario; and it will mainly concern Europe as well as north America. Nothing will be done for techs, etc, but I will include my own changes for longer battles, alternative gfx (flags, shields, skins, etc) as a seperate download if this reaches beta.

I have some ideas and if someone who's interested of this and/or have knowledge of this kind of ideas during this time, feel free to show your interest or PM me for further discussions.

Well, ask if you want to know some more, but please, not what's the 'third position'.

Cheers

 

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Is this a fascist ahistorical mod? Because fascism is often referred to as the "third position."

 

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Third Position

 

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Just some thoughts to give you a hunch of what this is about...

Main ideas;

Gregor and Otto Strasser with their 'strasserism' (or left-wing nationalsocialism)
José Antonio Primo de Rivera and his Falange Española
Corneliu Zelea Codreanu and his legionnary-movement
Mussolini didn't have that succesfull outcome as IRL​

Others I've been thiking of;

National Bolshevism in the Soviet union... (but the idea of yet another russian civil war doesn't seem so appeling...)
'German National Bolshevism'...
Father Denis Fahey on Ireland...​

And the third position is the opposittion of both communism and capitalism.

 

[colonelkadaffy]

Its essentially fascism yes.

 

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Not really colonelkadaffy it spans a wide array of the spectrum it can be fascism but also Left Wing National Socialism like Röhm and the Strassers envisioned or even National Bolshevism as TeutonburgerW stated the only thing uniting Third Position is that they do not lean towards either Communism or Capitalism.

TeutonburgerW it sounds like an interesting mod especially the idea of the SA continuing the National Revolution under Röhm like was envisioned. National Bolshevism would be interesting in the USSR but they would either have to start that way or they could have a another Civil War though I find that option less then stellar. Also it would be interesting to see the Third Position Movements in the West especially Father Charles Coughlin that cause a ruckus in the USA.

 

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Rajin Cajun

The term could describe many differnt ideas during history and therefore it's so interesting; especially when one starts to think of what could have happend? That's the question this mod will ask.

Perhaps a weakned nationalist bolshevist Russia would be a good idea to start with.

Father Charles Coughlin I've never heard of, but I'll look him up. Thanks!

As one probably reckons, this mod will indeed need a good backstory with as much 'historical accuracy' as possible (i.e. pretty possible stuff, etc) and that's not exactly my strongest side; I prefer to mod, so I'm open for input!

 

[colonelkadaffy]

Not really colonelkadaffy it spans a wide array of the spectrum it can be fascism but also Left Wing National Socialism like Röhm and the Strassers envisioned or even National Bolshevism as TeutonburgerW stated the only thing uniting Third Position is that they do not lean towards either Communism or Capitalism.

Fascism is anti-capitalistic as well. Most people erroneously believe that fascist states embrace capitalism, where as infact they move from extreme command economies to protectionist interventionism.

The third way, evolved out of syndacism as did fascism in the late 1910's.

 

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Fascism is anti-capitalistic as well. Most people erroneously believe that fascist states embrace capitalism, where as infact they move from extreme command economies to protectionist interventionism.

The third way, evolved out of syndacism as did fascism in the late 1910's.

I am quite aware that Fascism is anti-Capitalist the idea of the Corporate State defies capitalist theory in which the invisible hand guides all, yadda yadda. I am well versed in my Mussolini. Hence why I stated in my original Post that while Fascism is indeed a Third Position it does not define Third Position.

TeutonburgerW if you need any help researching I could probably dedicate some time helping if you need it. Shouldn't be too hard to dig up a bunch of different Third Position Movements.

 

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I am quite aware that Fascism is anti-Capitalist the idea of the Corporate State defies capitalist theory in which the invisible hand guides all, yadda yadda. I am well versed in my Mussolini. Hence why I stated in my original Post that while Fascism is indeed a Third Position it does not define Third Position.

TeutonburgerW if you need any help researching I could probably dedicate some time helping if you need it. Shouldn't be too hard to dig up a bunch of different Third Position Movements.

Thanks for the interest, I'll PM you later on when I've come a bit furter into it.

 

[Olle8]

wasnt Hitler very anti capitalistic this is what he said in a speech : "We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free"

 

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wasnt Hitler very anti capitalistic this is what he said in a speech : "We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free"

Despite his anti-capitalistic rethoric, it was far from reailty as so much else in his 'reich'.​

And since this mod will feature a non national socialistic Germany; I belive 'fascism' should be as far rigth one could go; and thus, a new ideologic matrix need to replace the current; suggestions?

 

[Olle8]

nazi germany did own nearly all big companys

 

[Mrdie]

Hitler was probably initially "anti-capitalism" not in the Socialist/Leninist "let us abolish corporations and such while creating a dictatorship of the proletariat which learns from the vanguard party" way, but in the populist "let the little guy be heard" type of way. Then he actually became leader and all that was thrown out since he was a politician.