There's a difference between invading, and immediately giving your troops to another AI on arrival... you can turn it off by changing it to send expeditionary forces = no (or such)
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Been away for the weekend and a lot has going on here, there is sure some interest for this kind of mod. Well done novapaddy! I hope you fix that exp. force problem soon. I like the first option better, more opportunistic MEX...maybe after a succesfull Japanese landing (i.e. more than 3 provinces conquered so a sizeable bridgehead)..they could join GB and attack CAL and TEX and everything between.
I would say that JAP won't interfere in Eastern part of America if possible...
Tim
I would say that JAP won't interfere in Eastern part of America if possible...
Tim
Thanks KaiserMuffin: I've looked but cannot find any command that does the trick, and I've looked at most if not all?
Timmie0307: Well I've ALL of the US coastline, except the bits I want them to invade through (ignore = { }), the West Coast!. and because they are allied with ENG, they still insist on invading on the East Coast.. but they also invade the West Coast, so I don't really care anymore... I must have spent 50+ hours trying to entice them to just invade the West Coast... Jeez!
I finally have things working nice and Sweet!
It's a different invasion path every time. They also take the US islands in the Pacific around the same time.
The US fights valiantly, but when Mexico invades, it's "goodnight Vienna" and total collapse follows ...
So, now that I have the AI sorted and working as I want, I'm starting to write events for the particular nations. Time-consuming part is finding the matching pics. But I'm already speeding up as I go along.
This is good fun.
Okay, well keep up the good work first of all, best of luck with events...if you need some more inspiration for event chains..let it know 
. Maybe you could indeed look into some ai files how exp forces are handled but that won't be the biggest problem now...have you thought about building preferences? I can imagine that the USA wants to build more inf divs etc now...and the rest too..
Tim
. Maybe you could indeed look into some ai files how exp forces are handled but that won't be the biggest problem now...have you thought about building preferences? I can imagine that the USA wants to build more inf divs etc now...and the rest too..Tim
Regards the Japs... it's probably for the best anyway. Last think you want is messy Jap enclaves on the East Coast.
OK, let's say the USA is now a much smaller entity. JAP/ENG/MEX have divided it up between them, but the USA is still a viable country. I'm undecided about a CSA type of entity now?
ENG allows JAP free reign in Asia. ENG holds on to Hong Kong and Singapore. AUS and NZ are still puppets, as is India. I've not thought about any of this ... been too busy getting mechanics working as I wanted. JAP invade China (undecided). JAP have some trouble with SOV, probably? JAP is already a huge Empire stretching across the Pacific coasts and including most of the islands (if not all?).
Mexico entered the war late, but gained huge territories and some of the oil in Texas. It is now looking to expand southwards... ?
It is expected to be a rich country now.
ENG now enters a period of "settling in". I would expect a wholesale move to the US by lots of the UK population. UK becoming a "theme park" with large landed estates, but still an economoc entity, with industry and mines for the majority of the remaining people. ENG may even move its capital? Certainly the "City" has decamped. I see ENG turning its back on Europe, totally. WW1 was the last straw.
Europe continues on a historic path, with GER wanting to expand to the East.
Africa.... ?
India... ?
France and GER...?
EDIT: Oh and I forgot Canada... How could I?... I may split it, as I don't want it to be too powerful. French/English ?Native lands?... ?
If you'd like to contribute ideas as to what you think would or should happen? I'm all ears... Contributions welcome, Cheers.
EDIT 2:... I do read over all the posts, (sometimes, again and again) ... it helps concrete ideas, and other times, it challenges my preconceived ideas... so please keep them coming. It is very much appreciated. Thanks
ENG allows JAP free reign in Asia. ENG holds on to Hong Kong and Singapore. AUS and NZ are still puppets, as is India. I've not thought about any of this ... been too busy getting mechanics working as I wanted. JAP invade China (undecided). JAP have some trouble with SOV, probably? JAP is already a huge Empire stretching across the Pacific coasts and including most of the islands (if not all?).
Mexico entered the war late, but gained huge territories and some of the oil in Texas. It is now looking to expand southwards... ?
It is expected to be a rich country now.
ENG now enters a period of "settling in". I would expect a wholesale move to the US by lots of the UK population. UK becoming a "theme park" with large landed estates, but still an economoc entity, with industry and mines for the majority of the remaining people. ENG may even move its capital? Certainly the "City" has decamped. I see ENG turning its back on Europe, totally. WW1 was the last straw.
Europe continues on a historic path, with GER wanting to expand to the East.
Africa.... ?
India... ?
France and GER...?
EDIT: Oh and I forgot Canada... How could I?... I may split it, as I don't want it to be too powerful. French/English ?Native lands?... ?
If you'd like to contribute ideas as to what you think would or should happen? I'm all ears... Contributions welcome, Cheers.
EDIT 2:... I do read over all the posts, (sometimes, again and again) ... it helps concrete ideas, and other times, it challenges my preconceived ideas... so please keep them coming. It is very much appreciated. Thanks
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I don't think Mexico would be expansionist. I could see the DEI changing hands to Japan quickly. I don't see England absconding en-masse to the US either. We rather like London... why would we go to the US? Japan and Soviet could be a more interesting war than the usual Chinese sideshow - and allows German opportunism again. Of course this all depends on how ENG feels about Poland at this point...
I still want a German-Spanish standoff in the new-world, with Argentina getting massive nazi support (since there's no Monroe Doctrine in effect after the US)
Also I like the idea of leaving the US as a landlocked entity. So A CSA, a TEX, a Greater Mexico and a Japanese West Coast + a British East Coast and all non CONUS territories taken (UK gets Cuba as puppet and Puerto Rico, CAN gets Alaska)
I still want a German-Spanish standoff in the new-world, with Argentina getting massive nazi support (since there's no Monroe Doctrine in effect after the US)
Also I like the idea of leaving the US as a landlocked entity. So A CSA, a TEX, a Greater Mexico and a Japanese West Coast + a British East Coast and all non CONUS territories taken (UK gets Cuba as puppet and Puerto Rico, CAN gets Alaska)
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I agree a lot with Kaiser Muffin here. First off, Japan. Now that it has oil and rich resources through direct conquering of USA and the allies GB etc. there is less necessity to go on a conquering spree in South East Asia. It would force the DEI into a favorable agreement though if it needs more..(possibly after a year of 3 in a war). In JAP there were strong coalitions (political / military groups in the army /navy etc/) for 3 different paths:
-China (still viable but less demanding now that more resources were secured, and war was almost avoided) One could imagine that the elite Manchurian Army would be transferred to the USA and fight there (so no officers conspiracy there). Very low chance of happening...maybe some sort of support from JAP against several warlords in exchange of recognizing JAP gains (Manchuria etc.)
- Colonies in the south, this path is essentially blocked because JAP has made several gains already (puppet Phillipines?)
- The only option left would be into the North against Siberia / USSR. This was a quite strong coalition but because of other needs and preferences this coalition had no chance. The historical battles in Inner Mongolia and along other borders could now spark a wider war (with imaginable disastrous results for both sides). I think that somehow JAP gets overextended against weak USSR forces?
I believe that MEX would be opportunistic (only look at the situation in Europe after WWI, nations that tried to gain territory while a year later being conquered themselves, e.g. Poland with the Tesin area, Hungary and Romania...and so on). They would want support and backing from at least GB though (through events..but great opportunity). so GB would ''pay'' somehow for that extra front.
I think that Latin America would be free for all with support from three sides GB and allies, GER and maybe USSR or another side?
Tim
-China (still viable but less demanding now that more resources were secured, and war was almost avoided) One could imagine that the elite Manchurian Army would be transferred to the USA and fight there (so no officers conspiracy there). Very low chance of happening...maybe some sort of support from JAP against several warlords in exchange of recognizing JAP gains (Manchuria etc.)
- Colonies in the south, this path is essentially blocked because JAP has made several gains already (puppet Phillipines?)
- The only option left would be into the North against Siberia / USSR. This was a quite strong coalition but because of other needs and preferences this coalition had no chance. The historical battles in Inner Mongolia and along other borders could now spark a wider war (with imaginable disastrous results for both sides). I think that somehow JAP gets overextended against weak USSR forces?
I believe that MEX would be opportunistic (only look at the situation in Europe after WWI, nations that tried to gain territory while a year later being conquered themselves, e.g. Poland with the Tesin area, Hungary and Romania...and so on). They would want support and backing from at least GB though (through events..but great opportunity). so GB would ''pay'' somehow for that extra front.
I think that Latin America would be free for all with support from three sides GB and allies, GER and maybe USSR or another side?
Tim
Another question, have you thought about a USA victory yet or is it inevitable that the GB coalition wins?
I watched halfway through the movie on the first page, GER would support (morally) GB more than USA. It would gain Hitler in his home country a popularity boost because he predicted the inevitability of this war. Maybe you could make this a flavor event? (-1% dissent?)
I watched halfway through the movie on the first page, GER would support (morally) GB more than USA. It would gain Hitler in his home country a popularity boost because he predicted the inevitability of this war. Maybe you could make this a flavor event? (-1% dissent?)
Hi Tim!
By coincidence (January 1936) I'm currently writing an event where the British Foreign Secretary, Anthony Eden, flies secretly to Mexico for a meeting with the Mexican President, at his home. ... He leaves an hour later, looking exhausted, but pleased. He may have made "an offer you cannot refuse". The next morning, the Mexican army brings forward by 2 months, its annual training exercises, in order to attain readiness for action. Two weeks later a ship arrives carrying gold and arms. .. It seems a 3rd front is in the offing...?
Very definitely I see the USA arising from the ashes of this debacle and hope it will be a "great game" to play....
Originally I had shortened the build times for all units, as I've always felt that they are way to long. It caused me problems with naval officers, as there wasn't enough. I also didn't want to upset the balance of the game... (as I'm sure a lot of effort has gone into achieving this... ).. and so put it back to how it was. .. BUT with shorter build times, the USA was hugely more difficult to beat (lots of new units arrived in time ...) .. but now, with the original, longer times in the game, they don't get the chance to survive... they run out of time, and cannot cope with 3 invasions... It's like England in 1066.. just too many invasions all at the same time!
I haven't thought about JAP yet.. keep it coming... THANKS
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I was thinking "what would I do, if I was Stalin..."
I don't see a purge of the army (1937?)
I see him trying to create a "buffer zone" like a Warsaw Pact arrangement 1936-style... He tries to get Poland, Baltic states, Hungary etc etc to form a "zone of military cooperation", to butress themselves (himself) against the GER. He reckons he has 18 months to 2 years to organise his defenses....
Poland is relying solely on France, now that Britain has turned its back on Europe...
But, the French will have their own problems, as Italy and Spain (both fascist regimes) ally. Ethiopia never occurs... and they'd like to join up their countries with a land bridge of some kind... ??
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About MEX, great
Shortening build times is not a good option, it would better if you just gave the U.S. some more divisions (as they would create more when they would invade Canada) but only a few in the South (better yet 1 or 2 NG units -> when MEX is speeding up training a few more could be added by event (GAR or MIL maybe one or two INF divisions). If you want more naval officers you should edit the ministers file of USA and others and change wake / activate date (for some 36 etc.) back to indeed 35 or 36, then you would get more naval officers ready...
About building preferences I was thinking if you changed something in the AI files about that, that JAP would create some Marine divisions and US would focus more on INF instead on building ships...
About stalin and the purge of the army. It would still happen. It was mostly an internal affair and it would only create more confidence for Stalin that the imperial capitalistic nations are stupid enough to fight and that it is not correct. Being very paranoid (and this does not change with another war on the other side of the globe) would still result in the purge. I would believe he would be more willing to invade Eastern Europe now that the Allies are somehow gone / occupied with affairs. But this would only result in either a quicker Molotov-Ribbentrop pact or more isolation in world affairs...they would still not be ready in 1941-42 for a large scale invasion (or they could depending on the readiness of Japan to invade)
Maybe with the fascist regimes of Spain and Italy and subsequent pressures from those regimes on the colonies + loss of support of GB, it would be nice to have some sort of French Civil War if elections go wrong? I can imagine more support from Comintern (or only USSR) for French Communist parties while Spain and Italy start influencing far right groups...+ strong monarchist tendencies..and weak democracy. If civil war breaks out this could lead to occupation of French colonies by several countries (e.g. Spain in Morocco Italy in Tunisia, and dividing up Algeria) GB takes other colonies in Africa, Japan Indochina and so on..or would this be too far fetched. Anyway a communist France with possible Italian and Spanish allying to GB for security (or Hitler depending on Mussolini's ambitions..) would create another interesting scenario...
Tim
Shortening build times is not a good option, it would better if you just gave the U.S. some more divisions (as they would create more when they would invade Canada) but only a few in the South (better yet 1 or 2 NG units -> when MEX is speeding up training a few more could be added by event (GAR or MIL maybe one or two INF divisions). If you want more naval officers you should edit the ministers file of USA and others and change wake / activate date (for some 36 etc.) back to indeed 35 or 36, then you would get more naval officers ready...
About building preferences I was thinking if you changed something in the AI files about that, that JAP would create some Marine divisions and US would focus more on INF instead on building ships...
About stalin and the purge of the army. It would still happen. It was mostly an internal affair and it would only create more confidence for Stalin that the imperial capitalistic nations are stupid enough to fight and that it is not correct. Being very paranoid (and this does not change with another war on the other side of the globe) would still result in the purge. I would believe he would be more willing to invade Eastern Europe now that the Allies are somehow gone / occupied with affairs. But this would only result in either a quicker Molotov-Ribbentrop pact or more isolation in world affairs...they would still not be ready in 1941-42 for a large scale invasion (or they could depending on the readiness of Japan to invade)
Maybe with the fascist regimes of Spain and Italy and subsequent pressures from those regimes on the colonies + loss of support of GB, it would be nice to have some sort of French Civil War if elections go wrong? I can imagine more support from Comintern (or only USSR) for French Communist parties while Spain and Italy start influencing far right groups...+ strong monarchist tendencies..and weak democracy. If civil war breaks out this could lead to occupation of French colonies by several countries (e.g. Spain in Morocco Italy in Tunisia, and dividing up Algeria) GB takes other colonies in Africa, Japan Indochina and so on..or would this be too far fetched. Anyway a communist France with possible Italian and Spanish allying to GB for security (or Hitler depending on Mussolini's ambitions..) would create another interesting scenario...
Tim
-> Given the state of US forces, even with a call up they were woefully underprepared. You have to remember this is the country that needed 3 years to get on war footing.
JAP would definitely get the Philippines
1) Pilsudski and the rest of the Polish govt was vehemently opposed to Russia/Russians. They went to war and got to the gates of Moscow in 1920 before being pushed back to the Curzon line. A significant portion of the Polish govt of this period were also sybiracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybirak) and wanted nothing to do with the Russians no matter what flavour they painted themselves.
2) The Baltic states, similarly, freshly independant of Russia for the first time - would not want anything to do with them.
It's actually hard to turn away from the historical scenario in respect to Europe with this late a point of departure from OTL events.
The real questions are timing and how it works out. If France and the USSR move closer together (which seems likely if they lose the guarantor of British intervention and have a left wing govt) we could perhaps see a coup of France that draws Hitler into a two front war in 1938? I honestly think you're over egging the cake. Even with the explosion across the pond, Germany would still not really be ready by 1940 (as in our timeline)
If the Spanish Civil War occurs and France has gone communist or entered a pact with the USSR could we see a much larger leftist contingent? Similar to Legion Condor - as a joint Franco-Soviet project?
I can also see a lot of tech-teams being opened up - the Soviets could stand to learn a lot from France and historically both nations have had good relations through the 1800's
UPDATE:
I've gotten to the point where USA surrenders and North America is divided up between the victors of the war. Things are still very raw, as I've only really got AI events done, with only a couple of normal events completed. Everything is in a first draft stage...
CAN: gets Alaska minus the island of Attu, which is JAP. This is the island nearest to SOV.
It also gets the central area (see map). It gives up the East Bank of St. Lawrence Bay to ENG.
JAP: gets all the islands in the Pacific.
It gets the large swathe of land extending from the West Coast. Most of this is empty and not of much use? (low IC).
It gets the island of attu in Alaska.
It puppets the Philippines (taken from US).
MEX: it gets some of Texas.
ENG: gets the East Coast, puerto rico, panama canal, guantamano, East bank of St. Lawrence Bay.
I've not done any work on divisions of armies/navies etc, as I've just this moment completed the first stage.
I've just noticed the blue area south of the Great Lakes. I think this is an artifact from the early battle-map which I've forced the events to see.. But I will check it out. Needless to say, this area is now Canadian.
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I've gotten to the point where USA surrenders and North America is divided up between the victors of the war. Things are still very raw, as I've only really got AI events done, with only a couple of normal events completed. Everything is in a first draft stage...
CAN: gets Alaska minus the island of Attu, which is JAP. This is the island nearest to SOV.
It also gets the central area (see map). It gives up the East Bank of St. Lawrence Bay to ENG.
JAP: gets all the islands in the Pacific.
It gets the large swathe of land extending from the West Coast. Most of this is empty and not of much use? (low IC).
It gets the island of attu in Alaska.
It puppets the Philippines (taken from US).
MEX: it gets some of Texas.
ENG: gets the East Coast, puerto rico, panama canal, guantamano, East bank of St. Lawrence Bay.
I've not done any work on divisions of armies/navies etc, as I've just this moment completed the first stage.
I've just noticed the blue area south of the Great Lakes. I think this is an artifact from the early battle-map which I've forced the events to see.. But I will check it out. Needless to say, this area is now Canadian.
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I would say that Canada only gets some borderlands (so Chicago left to rump USA, to balance power in the region). I would give CSA a bit more in the left upper corner to create a more historical CSA (based on KM's map). I'd say the rest is great!
This map would surely call for some interesting scenarios. Combined with partisans everywhere (especially in the ''occupied'' lands of MEX JAP CAN and ENG) this could lead to an all out civil war. Would the USA approach TEX and CSA to combine arms against the occupiers? Dividing up the continent in exchange of peace?
What about ideologies of the rump state? Would a military government take over in USA and CSA would have some sort of southern democracy? (Huey Long?)
Tim
This map would surely call for some interesting scenarios. Combined with partisans everywhere (especially in the ''occupied'' lands of MEX JAP CAN and ENG) this could lead to an all out civil war. Would the USA approach TEX and CSA to combine arms against the occupiers? Dividing up the continent in exchange of peace?
What about ideologies of the rump state? Would a military government take over in USA and CSA would have some sort of southern democracy? (Huey Long?)
Tim
Chicago is still American, though (at least that's what it looks like)!
Hi T.j.: Thanks for your input. In my map Chicago is Canadian. Why? Well if CAN get Flint and Detroit, and not Chicago, they will be separated from Milwaukee. I just thought it a good idea to give them a land-bridge to the rest of the new Canada (Milwaukee). It also cuts USA off from any trade access through Canadian Lakes. On the map below, Chicago name is blocked by that infantry division. I may have been over-generous with the lands I gave Canada?
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Overall I have 2 main concerns in regard to dividing up North America:
1: USA has to be a viable State, reasonably powerful, with a (small) Navy and (small) Army. So they need access to the sea for Trade and navy purposes. USA has to have a reasonable chance to "rise like a phoenix" from defeat and separation, to regain more of its former lands.
2: JAP & ENG have to be rewarded for winning the war. In my map, I achieve this by giving them lots of land, but this was an effort to give them sufficient IC.. KM's map for JAP and ENG is more of what I had in mind originally..... SO if I can find a way to reward JAP and ENG with less land, but still give them IC, then I'm happy with that.
.......... One idea for JAP, would be to put some IC throughout the Pacific islands, in this way, they get less of N America, but still get the IC?
MEX's war was only a sideshow. ENG paid MEX to fight the war. In my map, they get some oil in Texas. Reward enough?
... In KM's map, IMO they get rewarded way too much?
OVERALL:
In the historical setting, the US has 450+ IC. A superpower already. SOV has 200, GER has 150.
My whole idea for this mod ... is to even up the Powers. JAP, ENG, FRA all have about 100 IC.
My intention is to make JAP and ENG a bit closer to GER, and have the USA more like the other Powers. Hopefully, this will make wars more demanding and enjoyable?
I take your overall point that KM's map would probably make for a more interesting challenge?
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I'll give less to CAN.
I'll make JAP more like in KM's map, but they get IC through their Pacific islands.
I still need US to have access to the sea.
ENG gets "New England +", but I still need them to get more IC..... IDEAS?
MEX .. yes maybe more of the West Coast and no oil in Texas.. hmmm. I still think I have to give them at least one province of Texas with oil?
... I want MEX to be powerful enough to kick ass too.
CSA? In my map, I imagined they would rebel against ENG, and thereby form the CSA?... Better idea, than just forming them right away?
Cheers :happy:
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Just looking at KM's map again... I could give USA access to the sea through San Francisco, giving MEX less land that way?...
I can understand you want to give them some access to the sea. You could always distribute USA IC through war reparation events or such. That way some IC in USA will be removed and some IC added to Japan / GB etc.
I understand your idea. What would be a great idea is to give USA access to San Fransisco, as to divide California between JAP USA and MEX. This way all get a piece of a rich state...LA is already enough boost for MEX. You could add some more land on the border with Mexico...
I like your idea of a CSA that revolts against GB, but that would be through event. Then you could have the Texas area secede as well, either from MEX or ENG or as independent state (depending on what you have in mind with this area), it could have 2 options: remain independent but allied to CSA or it could join CSA?
Don't give Canada too much...or give them some border provinces with cores and some with only claims and high partisan revolt risks and such. Some flavour events for the USA would be nice, something a la war refugees or refugees from especially the CAN and JAP lands, which could cause some border frictions and a nice casus belli for the next war
Tim
I understand your idea. What would be a great idea is to give USA access to San Fransisco, as to divide California between JAP USA and MEX. This way all get a piece of a rich state...LA is already enough boost for MEX. You could add some more land on the border with Mexico...
I like your idea of a CSA that revolts against GB, but that would be through event. Then you could have the Texas area secede as well, either from MEX or ENG or as independent state (depending on what you have in mind with this area), it could have 2 options: remain independent but allied to CSA or it could join CSA?
Don't give Canada too much...or give them some border provinces with cores and some with only claims and high partisan revolt risks and such. Some flavour events for the USA would be nice, something a la war refugees or refugees from especially the CAN and JAP lands, which could cause some border frictions and a nice casus belli for the next war
Tim
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