I believe you're right. However, my point still stands. Marienburg leaving the Empire is not a good example of De Jure drift occurring.
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I believe you're right. However, my point still stands. Marienburg leaving the Empire is not a good example of De Jure drift occurring.
I remember reading a discussion in the Warhammer.Empire website about the real status of Marienburg before it was purchased/lost by Dieter IV or Boris Goldgather (the fluff is inconsistent here, since in the very same edition of the Empire army book and the 6th Ed Reglament they say Marienburg bought its independence from these two emperors). The question was: If Empress Magritta was the Electoress of Marienburg, when did Marienburg become an Electorate? Twelve tribes, twelve runefangs, in this scheme, neither Drakwald nor Sylvania or Marienburg do fit the mold.
It's probably a fluff mistake that has been gaining inertia just because it was Magritta of Marienburg since time immemorial. But people trying to rationalise it (and with way too much free time) were discussing, in very passionate terms, whether Marienburg was the old capital of Nordland or of Drakwald. Either Marienburg bought its independence from Nordland under Boris and then its total independence from the Empire under Dieter IV, or it was capital of Drakwald and became just Marienburg after Drakwald was destroyed... people were calling names to each other, I would have liked to jump into the discussion to say "Warhammer fluff is not history, sometimes it doesn't make sense" and calm them down, but it was 5 years too late, and I was reading the discussion while going to work on the bus. Anyway, that's what I gathered.
My point being: how does it all work in the mod's system of de jure titles?
It's probably a fluff mistake that has been gaining inertia just because it was Magritta of Marienburg since time immemorial. But people trying to rationalise it (and with way too much free time) were discussing, in very passionate terms, whether Marienburg was the old capital of Nordland or of Drakwald. Either Marienburg bought its independence from Nordland under Boris and then its total independence from the Empire under Dieter IV, or it was capital of Drakwald and became just Marienburg after Drakwald was destroyed... people were calling names to each other, I would have liked to jump into the discussion to say "Warhammer fluff is not history, sometimes it doesn't make sense" and calm them down, but it was 5 years too late, and I was reading the discussion while going to work on the bus. Anyway, that's what I gathered.
My point being: how does it all work in the mod's system of de jure titles?
In my opinion Marienburg should not be part of the Empire de jure because if it is the latter will immediately declare war on the former on day 1, just like the HRE and France in vanilla. (Unless you guys give Marienburg a lot of vassal mercs or a huge number of event troops symbolizing said mercs to fend of Imperial aggression.)
Well, having done a ton of research on this myself, Marienburg isn't the problem it's Nordland. The Endals were one of the original twelve tribes of the empire, with Marienburg being named after Marbad. Somehow, and it's not exactly clear when, Nordland came into existence and took the mantle of grand province from Westerland. My evidence for this being that the rune fang of Nordland is called Crow Feeder, and the symbol of the Endals was a raven/crow.
Now what seems likely to me is that at some point Westerland and Nordland formed a personal union with some counts preferring Westerland as their primary title and others preferring Nordland as their primary title (So elector count Einrich Moltke of Nordland was also the ruler of Westerland, he just had Nordland as his primary title). This likely came to an end in 2301 I.C. when Paulus van der Maacht, the last count of Westerland, died during the Great War Against Chaos. The succession proceeds without incident in Nordland, but there's an issue with the inheritance of Westerland (What exactly it was I'm not sure). As a result Magnus gives Westerland to the merchant house of Marienburg to stop the crisis. Marienburg then buys its independence from Dieter IV in the 2400's. Anyways, that's my take on it.
Well at the start date, Westerland is still ruled by the (putative) Empress Magritta van der Maacht, and no one holds the de jure Empire title. So a HRE/France situation shouldn't happen at the start. For later bookmarks it could be a problem, but Marienburg should be pretty darn strong by then.
Sorry for the double post, but I thought I'd follow up on the De Jure drift discussion. Thinking about it more, vanilla style De Jure drift doesn't really fit. For example, Stirland annexed Sylvannia in 2145 I.C. but I'd argue Sylvannia wasn't a de jure part of Stirland by the 2500's. However, it seems like most people are with the vanilla De Jure drift being disabled but there should be some events (either railroaded or dynamic) to handled the cases edge cases. Does that sound fair?
For dynamic a system of some kind how would only letting titles drift into your realm if all applicable provinces are in your culture group?
For dynamic a system of some kind how would only letting titles drift into your realm if all applicable provinces are in your culture group?
Like the sound of the cultural drift,The Empire's colony of Neuland in Albion never had any attempt at recapture, because of the majority population being from Albion.
Granted the system I proposed would (probably) need to be event based, so you wouldn't have the ticking drift score you could check on, which is unfortunate.
Can't wait to play. I'm playing/painting/... warhammer since 15years now, obviously i'm a big fan. Creative Assembly bought the rights for their Total War series, but this mod is gonna be much better with the CK2 setting and gameplay. At least i hope so. ^^
Keep up the work.
Keep up the work.
Can't wait to play. I'm playing/painting/... warhammer since 15years now, obviously i'm a big fan. Creative Assembly bought the rights for their Total War series, but this mod is gonna be much better with the CK2 setting and gameplay. At least i hope so. ^^
Keep up the work.
Well I hope we can live up to your expectations.
Hi there!
Long time no see:
Here are event pics i've painted today:
One for ice mages:
And another for hierpohants:
Spells that use those pics are obviously ready and implemented in duels/battle events
Long time no see:
Here are event pics i've painted today:
One for ice mages:
And another for hierpohants:
Spells that use those pics are obviously ready and implemented in duels/battle events
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Don't worry Kislev has plenty of bears. I think 75% of the CoA's in Kislev have a bear on them somewhere.
Hey, just wanted to give a quick update. Blood Royal and Arsakes have been coding away and we've made some really good progress over the past couple of days. Blood Royal has been setting up the events needed to get the Vampire Wars going right (along with some other stuff) and Arsakes has been doing some cool stuff with Witches, Wizards, & Warlocks. I'm hoping I can do a dev diary about our magic system very soon. It's quite cool.
I cannot wait. The Von Carnstein trilogy was my favorite of the books. Even if we lost in the end.
Well before too long you'll be able to play as Vlad himself ( or Konrad, or Mannfred if you swing that way) and make sure that doesn't happen.
Yeah, speaking of which, I just finished the Von Carstein events today. Or well, the first draft of them at least
Edit: Oh! Saw that you just mentioned that earlier too, Illathid - maybe I'll post a mini preview about it soon as well.
Edit: Oh! Saw that you just mentioned that earlier too, Illathid - maybe I'll post a mini preview about it soon as well.
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