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Amaror

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It doesnt has to do anything with censorship. Symbols of the national socialist party and state are forbidden to use outside of certain areas, such as art or education (and there is no mention of films, movies, just art). Pretty simple, if someone doesnt understand why, he/she should take an additional history lesson or two.

While I can understand the "hate for censorship" as you call it, I think its sometimes a bit off. I dont know why some people think it makes a game worse if instead of a swastika you have an iron cross on the white circle to bypass those laws. After all you could always go to court and ask a judge if this game is art or not. Naturally no publisher would try his luck and wait two to three years for a judgement whilst you cant sell this game in germany.

Perhaps in some years time, when a new generation is sitting on the judge's seat, there will be an announcement that computer games are seen as art aswell. Until then, you will have to arrange yourself with it.

Yes. I know. But an image of Adolf Hitler isn't a symbol of the nsdap. It is not forbidden by german law to show images of hitler, unless those images should contain symbols of the nsdap such as the swastika.
My point is that the normal version of HoI 4 is allready this way. There are allready no swastikas or anything in the normal version of HoI 4.
They are way overreacting with their cencorship by cencoring away Hitler and other leaders.
 

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What do you think that Schadenfreude means? I don't think you are using it right.

In the german dictionary I checked (Pons 2003) there was 2 translations proposed: 1) rejoice of the misfortune of others 2) perverse pleasure.

Though I knew the first sense, I did use the second. From your commentary must I understand that the second is not used anymore or a bad translation ?
 
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In the german dictionary I checked (Pons 2003) there was 2 translations proposed: 1) rejoice of the misfortune of others 2) perverse pleasure.

Though I knew the first sense, I did use the second. From your commentary must I understand that the second is not used anymore or a bad translation ?

Well I have personally never heard anyone ever use the word in the second sense. Generally it's the first sense of the word. "Schaden" means damage or misfortune and "Freude" means Happyness. So it's "Happyness about mistfortune (of others)". It might be that the second sense is just an older meaning of the word that noone actually uses anymore.
Btw. concerning your original post I just wanted to add that at least I, and I think a lot of others that have problems with the cencorship, are mainly arguing against the darkened out nazi leader, since such a change is unnecessary. I would never expect Paradox or any other company to put actual nazi symbolry, like the swastika, in their game since it is clearly illegal.
 
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Is Petain censored too for France or not ?
I don't understand your question completely.
If your asking whether or not the French-version of the game will have some character be cencored, then no, only the german version of the game is cencored.
If your however asking if a character of france is cencored in the german-version, then the answer is maybe. We know Hitler gets cencored and some other characters. I don't think we have a clear list of all cencored characters.
 

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Thats no problem. Changing the portraits doesn't affect checksum.

So much rage about this slightly shadowed guy, totally unnecessary at all. He even looks better that way.
its not about the censorship in HoI IV, its about the principle. I am a grown adult and by german law have the right to decide what i am willing to see and what not. By german law they arent able to openly advertise a version without an usk badge, yes, but they can still be legally obtained by adults. Simply buy an import version from austria and you have an legal uncensored game.
 
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Thats no problem. Changing the portraits doesn't affect checksum.

So much rage about this slightly shadowed guy, totally unnecessary at all. He even looks better that way.

Im going to shadow shade everyone just for the cool mysterious stranger look
 

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read the forum rules, it covers what mods are acceptable. The HOI4 forum is not the place to debate German law and or your feelings of it.
 
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