Mod: Empires Everywhere

[pfried]

I have to disagree with the Angevin Empire. The war in England can go four ways: Norway, Saxon England, Denmark or Normandy. Two of them are Nordic, and the other has nothing to do with France. Making the Angevin Empire seems as if you want to force the game to go as it did historically when at this period it could very easily have gone into very different directions. It is better to have France and Britain split up in their own empires in my own not-so-humble opinion.

I only added in the Angevin Empire because people hated the old 'Roman (Western Latin) Empire' idea. Also having 3 empire titles in that region makes the de jure empire mode sort of resemble the tripartite division of Charlemagne's empire :laugh:. The Angevin Empire used here was a temporary name for a some hypothetical Franco-British empire.

Wallain

Quote Originally Posted by ProneOyster View Post
Touché

It just seems weird to have a lonely french kingdom. Might just be me though
Throw France into the "Middle-Kingdom" and rename it the Frankish Empire, maybe?

I like this idea. Any objections?

 

[Mach1av3ll1]

Awh, I was looking forward to forming a new roman empire!

Anyway, the bit with the necessary kingdoms to form against the ones included was a nice compromise.

As far as I'm concerned I like Angevin. Otherwise, something simple like "Franco-Britannia"

Lastly, I might stick Pomerania in kingdom of germany and Holy Roman Empire de jure zone, since historically it was incorporated and conquered by germanic knights and became subject to the emperor.

 

[Allastair]

Lastly, I might stick Pomerania in kingdom of germany and Holy Roman Empire de jure zone, since historically it was incorporated and conquered by germanic knights and became subject to the emperor.

I might disagree with you on this matter. AFAIK, at least three countries could treat this as their de jure zone - HRE, Poland and Dennmark. Historically, HRE vassalized Pomerania but after 1100s. First to manage to vassalize the Pommeranian dukes were dukes and kings of Polans. Moreover strong afford to reclaim the province and incorporate Pommerania back to Poland was made by last kings of Piast dynasty. The possibility was totally lost after 1364.

Last but not least the process of "germanisation" of Pomerania started after 1300s.

 

[the_legion]

The problem with De-Jure-Borders is that it's a static system. This may work acceptable
in western europe but it doesn't work in eastern europe, northafrica and the holy land.
You can find historical arguments for all sides, I'd prefer it to be dejure-HRE because for
gameplay reasons because that's where it ended up (however I agree it's weird to give
Poland a "wrong kingdom"-malus on Pommerania).

 

[Wallain]

Personally I am toying with the idea of splitting Germany up into several kingdom-level arch duchies, so potentially Pommerania could be its own "arch-duchy" and thus not necessarily a part of the de jure HRE, Poland or Denmark.

I like this idea. Any objections?

There was one, that you would have to add the HRE to this one, and it is true. I have another idea for how to split this up:

1. France + Burgundy = French Empire. You would need several key counties in both France and Burgundy to make it (use triggers).
2. Germany + Lotharingia + Bohemia = HRE.
3. Italy renamed to Tuscany (or something as appropriate. Tuscany + Sicily = Italy. Or alternatively Italy + Sicily = Roman Empire. Use triggers to require most of Italy here too.

 

[pfried]

Updated the mod. Lotharingia has been given back to the HRE and a Frankish Empire has been made comprised of France, Italy and Burgundy. This change allows to more or less retain the balance of the vanilla game, keeping in mind that most of these empires are unlikely to be made by the AI over the span of the game.

 

[Wallain]

Looking better and better.

 

[Joel M Bridge]

Will they call emperor or High Kings, Beome Holy roman beside be crown by pope which form legitimacy, real form of legitimacy is when Emperor of east recognize him in the west.

 

[Wallain]

Will they call emperor or High Kings, Beome Holy roman beside be crown by pope which form legitimacy, real form of legitimacy is when Emperor of east recognize him in the west.

Title names are dependent on culture, so a german would be Kaiser, while you could make an irish High King.

 

[Darrigan]

You can create different titles per country/duchy/... in the landed_titles file.

 

[Slepowron]

Thanks for the mod, it's really a nice idea... The only problem I have is with the name of Poland-Lithuania... I was thinking of something more on the lines of geography, rather than just the names of two kingdoms, so maybe East European Empire? Carpathian Empire? Vistulan Empire maybe even?

 

[Cuthach]

Pan-Celtic empire: Brittany, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and the Isle of Man? Since Georgia was independent until the 1200s and isn't culturally Slavic should it really be part of the Russian Empire? And perhaps change the name of Spain to Hispania or Iberia?

Maybe make a distinction between the Shiite and Sunni dominated areas of "Arabia"? It seems too large, and splitting it up would make politics more interesting in the region.

 

[pfried]

I just realized that the creation condition for some kingdoms (like Khazaria) made it impossible to form some empires like Russia. I've removed/changed the limitations for all kingdom titles that are important for empire creation so that most religion groups should be able to create any empire. Titles in Iberia are still restricted by religion group, but creating Spain allows an exception for Al-andalus to form it if it gets large enough. Other kingdom titles not important for these new empires do not have restrictions changed.

 

[americanu197]

I like this mod , though some of the features are overkill and it doesnt work with games already started
Some ideas for improvement:
- Not all provinces need to be in an empire (they really dont) and im primarily referring to the polish area and maybe the caucasus region
- It should be Britannia ( great britain is just the larger island )

 

[Sir Leningrad]

I'd just call it Britain. Also, instead of the Frankish Empire, wich would be more or less the same as the HRE, just earlier in time, why not West Francia, adding the kingdom of Occitania? And about Al-Andalus, please, Al-Andalus is yet Spain but for muslims. Maybe it would be better to make an Empire of Al-Andalus or the Almoravid Empire for Northern Africa + Spain, just for muslims, wich would make it more realistic.

 

[Mach1av3ll1]

Is there an update for the release version of this coming?

 

[pfried]

Yes, I'll release an update on Friday since I'll be busy most of the week. The mod as it is works with the release version of the game and only needs to be put in a mod-dir.

Aside: I would appreciate it if a mod moves this to User Modifications.

 

[Duke_of_Canada]

Can't wait for this mod. Looks pretty awesome Great Work

 

[Alexspeed]

I thought to give this a try, but the complete lack of an installation description or readme really turned me off.
If you want pepole to play your mods, write a propper documentation that explains how to use them, and what they do exactly.

I think i am capable of making this run without a readme instruction (still have to try),
but there are plenty of pepole new to Paradox games or modding, and they probably wont be able to, or wont bother even trying.

Still, thank you for the work you put into this, it shouldnt go to waste by not having a propper decription =)

 

[ranbir]

Can always make it a return of the Persian Empire.