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Is there any way to disable the duel engine only?
Go to events/emf_nde_battle.txt. At line 32, change multiplayer = yes to always = yes. This should stop duels from being triggered during battles, without breaking duels outside of battle.
 

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I was wandering, would it be possible to get some more events concerning the actual duels in "The Great Tournament" reusing the battle duels mechanics? I believe it would make the said tournaments much more engaging. Small tournaments would also be a cool addition-one thing more to do during peace.
 

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Yes, it's WAD. In EMF's imperial government form, all of a viceroy's highest-tier titles are considered property of the Crown -- in such a realm, they are actually appointed offices/commands. We actually would like to get around to eventually blocking all duchy creation for viceroys, because in such a realm, they shouldn't have the authority to create new imperial thema. However, this has been a low priority, and I'm reluctant to add special creation conditions to every single duchy title in the mod to prevent them from being created under an imperial top liege (might be performance issues).



Yes, if you usurp a theme from someone whom was appointed to that position by the Emperor (either by default assent to hereditary heir or by council picks or taking it themselves and then granting it later), the Emperor gets an event about that and is able to choose to accept that usurpation or reject it and try to deny you the title. Apparently you weren't very lucky in this regard. Normally, the AI emperor is coded to be relatively chill with whatever, but it's definitely very context- and personality-specific.



Our system or vanilla's? [For disambiguation, we call it imperial government -- not viceroyalties.]



I could give you a very long answer detailing exactly when, how, and the rational why of succession laws & their adjudication when you grant them to vassals. But I won't. This is just the way it works. Basically, when you grant a title to somebody, the original succession laws (which if you created the title would be yours) are only retained if they're valid for the vassal. In the case of gender succession, the vassal's preferred gender succession type always beats whatever the liege's was when he created the title (or however he got it). It is their title now, after all.
Is it possible to disable External Inheritance within viceroyalty titles to prevent the spaghettification of imperial realms? Currently it's inevitable with kingdom-tier viceroyalties that one king-vassal will inherit another kingdom-tier viceroyalty. If you try to revoke it, your likely now facing a civil war. If you accept it, the eventuality is the spaghettification of your realm. If there isn't a civil war, you still have to find a way to revoke the county they own within that inherited kingdom, leading again to spaghettification. A count within one viceroyalty shouldn't be able to own another count level within another. I can find a way to accept the hoarding of power by imperial governors within their own viceroyalty, but the fact that my Exarch of Africa can inherit the Exarchy of Crimea and Egypt just leads to absolute internal chaos over the long-term.

This issue became so frustrating that last time I simply removed the vassal limit and made my realm 99% vassal republics with king-level viceroyalty's only owning a single count-level title. Even then I had to fight this constant inheritance of other viceroyalty titles. I also had to fight their constant revoking of titles from the republics and hoarding of land. I had no way to pass a law to stop this, meaning instead I would just excommunicate, imprison-release them and wait for them to revolt. This endless struggle became the majority of my play time as time led on, and since then I haven't played another Roman/Byzantine campaign due to PTSD over imperial spaghettification.

To be frank, I haven't found any historical basis for imperial governors plotting to and revoking land within their 'themes' or 'provinces', hoarding said land and then inheriting other 'themes' or 'provinces'. Within the Roman and Byzantine Empire's the only time theme boundaries were redrawn was on imperial decree, not buy the governors themselves.
 

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Is it possible to disable External Inheritance within viceroyalty titles to prevent the spaghettification of imperial realms? Currently it's inevitable with kingdom-tier viceroyalties that one king-vassal will inherit another kingdom-tier viceroyalty. If you try to revoke it, your likely now facing a civil war. If you accept it, the eventuality is the spaghettification of your realm. If there isn't a civil war, you still have to find a way to revoke the county they own within that inherited kingdom, leading again to spaghettification. A count within one viceroyalty shouldn't be able to own another count level within another. I can find a way to accept the hoarding of power by imperial governors within their own viceroyalty, but the fact that my Exarch of Africa can inherit the Exarchy of Crimea and Egypt just leads to absolute internal chaos over the long-term.

This issue became so frustrating that last time I simply removed the vassal limit and made my realm 99% vassal republics with king-level viceroyalty's only owning a single count-level title. Even then I had to fight this constant inheritance of other viceroyalty titles. I also had to fight their constant revoking of titles from the republics and hoarding of land. I had no way to pass a law to stop this, meaning instead I would just excommunicate, imprison-release them and wait for them to revolt. This endless struggle became the majority of my play time as time led on, and since then I haven't played another Roman/Byzantine campaign due to PTSD over imperial spaghettification.

To be frank, I haven't found any historical basis for imperial governors plotting to and revoking land within their 'themes' or 'provinces', hoarding said land and then inheriting other 'themes' or 'provinces'. Within the Roman and Byzantine Empire's the only time theme boundaries were redrawn was on imperial decree, not buy the governors themselves.
Maybe the demesne size for a ducal viceroy should be hard limited to one? Is it WAD?
 

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"In 867, Wessex, Mercia, East Anglia, and Northumbria are all now de jure kingdoms, while the Kingdom of England title is titular.
When titular England is formed:
England's de jure status will "modernize," becoming the large de jure title with which we're so familiar and rendering those "petty" English kingdoms titular.
It will become the creator's primary title.
Any "standard" titular kingdom title held by the creator (e.g., Wessex after England absorbs its de jure territory upon formation) will be automatically destroyed if possible.
Custom-created kingdom titles will not be destroyed.
[WIP: Any strong claimants to the destroyed kingdoms will become weak claimants to England.]
To form England, the requirements are similar to forming a de jure kingdom: the main difference is that instead of requiring half of the de jure counties of the kingdom, you'll need to control at least half of the English **geographical region**."

@zijistark. Any news on when we can expect this to be fully implemented by HIP? From my review of the files, it doesn't appear to have been incorporated in today's EMF beta update
 

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@zijistark. Any news on when we can expect this to be fully implemented by HIP? From my review of the files, it doesn't appear to have been incorporated in today's EMF beta update

Right. Yeah, I hadn't gotten around to digging up the SWMH files I'd need to duplicate in the EMF Beta to get the proper, new Britain de jure setup. I may post back later today or tomorrow with an update on that if I add the files to the EMF Beta.

So...when can we expect the next SWMH release?
Not this weekend (it's over), probably not this week, not next weekend, but after all that, it's pretty damn likely that I'll do a full HIP release for all of our modules. SWMH doesn't release separately from HIP releases, in any beta form or anything like that.

This week is still possible instead of waiting for after the weekend sometime, but I'm stretched quite thin over the coming days, so I don't want to get any hopes up.
 

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Right. Yeah, I hadn't gotten around to digging up the SWMH files I'd need to duplicate in the EMF Beta to get the proper, new Britain de jure setup. I may post back later today or tomorrow with an update on that if I add the files to the EMF Beta.

That would be fantastic, although if the HIP team is nearing a full release, I think I could probably suffer through the wait a wee bit longer. I must admit, the rewriting of landed_titles to more accurately reflect pre-conquest Britain is by far the most anticipated feature update I can recall with HIP. I'm sure I'm not alone in waiting for this with baited breath :)

Not this weekend (it's over), probably not this week, not next weekend, but after all that, it's pretty damn likely that I'll do a full HIP release for all of our modules. SWMH doesn't release separately from HIP releases, in any beta form or anything like that.

This week is still possible instead of waiting for after the weekend sometime, but I'm stretched quite thin over the coming days, so I don't want to get any hopes up.

A vague timeframe is better than no timeframe. Keep up the hard work mates.
 

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Something that I noticed is that Russia always devolves into horrible border gore. Is this because of any specific mechanic? Maybe a consequence of everyone having different religions and CBs against each other there?
That's simply everybody being related and having reciprocal claims on almost everything. Seniority succession Ruthenians start with also doesn't help building a stable realm.
 
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Perhaps some modifications to how claims work could be in order? From the top of my head, a restriction on only being able to press claims within your own realm unless you are independent/top liege, and even then, only on neighboring realms with same religion. Don't know. Probably wouldn't work.
Let's start from the beginning rather than the end. What is the goal here? What is the motivation for the goal?
 

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I would posit separated counties get some serious tax & defense morale malus. Also maybe a special cb against a low vassal rather than their liege? ERE holding Braganca, France having a single county in Abissynia (true story from my last playthrough), super intensive border gore in Ruhenia. That wouldn't last for long and never has historically.
 

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Installed the beta and looked into those Lodbrok invasion files. I wonder if, in the upcoming version, Ivar the Boneless is supposed to get Lothian from the initial invasion. A comment in norse_invasion_of_lothian.txt indicates so, but in actual game Halfdan the Whiteshirt just usurps the Duchy of Northumberland.

The issue I see if Ivar indeed is supposed to get Lothian, is that the Vikings had no political control over this area. Some argue that Vikings from Dublin and the Isles had a trade route there (Firth of Forth) but that is apparently debatable, and compared to south of the Tees very few Viking settlements existed there, possibly built with blessing from their northern neighbor. The domain of the York Vikings did not extended beyond the Tees, so Halfdan should not have the territory either. As such I think Lothian should be left out from the initial invasion.

If it is necessary to give Ivar something out from Northumbria, giving him the Duchy of Lancaster could work. In this case it would be like this: Ivar invades Northumbria and gets the Duchy of Lancaster (killing Aella in the process), Halfdan invades Mercia and gets the Duchy of Lincoln, and Ubbe invades East Anglia and gets the Duchy of East Anglia.
 

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Would it be possible to allow people other than the norse to join the varangian guard, as the varangian guard in the later periods was made up of mostly russians, and anglo saxons after the norman conquest.